# Game of Thrones: omnibus discussion thread based on knowledge of books (OPEN SPOILERS) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [April 22, 2011, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-omnibus-discussion-thread-based-on-knowledge-of-books-open-spoilers/579377 "2011-04-22T17:16:48Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 65
**Author:** ![JCorre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/3da27b/32.png) [@JCorre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JCorre)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2011, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-omnibus-discussion-thread-based-on-knowledge-of-books-open-spoilers/579377/1281 "2011-07-01T20:29:36Z")
It makes the Arya chapters in CoK much more suspenseful after yoren spirits her away from King’s Landing. Biter is in that party going north to the wall (albeit in chains). He has a couple of interactions with Arya on that trip. It was chilling ‘seeing’ her so close to such a monster. I sometimes wonder what Mormont would have done with an individual like that had he actually made it to the Wall… ---
**Author:** ![Feyrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/fbc32d/32.png) [@Feyrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Feyrat)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2011, 8:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-omnibus-discussion-thread-based-on-knowledge-of-books-open-spoilers/579377/1282 "2011-07-01T20:40:25Z")
> [@JCorre](#): > > Yep. What she saw was Biter getting skewered. Ahhh, thank you! That scene was really starting to freak me out. It was bad in writing, but somehow SO MUCH worse in the audiobook. Probably because you can’t just skip ahead mentally and be like “yup, eating her cheek, got it.” ---
**Author:** ![artemis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/91b2a8/32.png) [@artemis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/artemis)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2011, 9:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-omnibus-discussion-thread-based-on-knowledge-of-books-open-spoilers/579377/1283 "2011-07-01T21:48:16Z")
> [@Merijeek](#): > > I’m not going to bother anymore. Personally, I think it’s not worth anyone answering any questions in that thread. I’ve got two sets of stories in my head and I can’t tell you for sure at what point the Martells were first mentioned. House Martell (and their words) were mentioned in the episode where we see Maester Luwin tutoring a now-crippled Bran, while Theon is shooting arrows at a target in the background. Dorne has also been mentioned (by Tyrion). So neither of those are spoilers. I don’t remember if the fact that House Martell rules Dorne has come up in the show, but it would be a spoiler of the most insignificant kind if it hasn’t. Frankly, I doubt that any of this will be much of an issue for Season 2, as I suspect most of the non book readers here on the Dope will have broken down and read the series by then. ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2011, 9:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-omnibus-discussion-thread-based-on-knowledge-of-books-open-spoilers/579377/1284 "2011-07-01T21:57:47Z")
Rorge ran a pit fighting ring in Flea Bottom. He found Biter when biter was little and put him in the ring. The filed teeth and insanity are a result. That back story is canon. ---
**Author:** ![elfkin477](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/a9a28c/32.png) [@elfkin477](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elfkin477)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2011, 12:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-omnibus-discussion-thread-based-on-knowledge-of-books-open-spoilers/579377/1285 "2011-07-02T00:54:55Z")
> [@Merijeek](#): > > I’m not going to bother anymore. Personally, I think it’s not worth anyone answering any questions in that thread. I’ve got two sets of stories in my head and I can’t tell you for sure at what point the Martells were first mentioned. I just know they’re there and they’re from Dorne and they’ll eventually be part of the story. > > At what point did I pass into spoiler territory? If I were to post the words of all the major families, some of them would be spoilers and some of them wouldn’t. > > It’s completely ridiculous. I’ll stick to the thread where you can say “In the book Tyrion is pretty repulsive with mismatched eyes and random patches of wiry hair” without it being bitched about for a dozen posts. Next season we need two threads for each episode: - **Readers** : threads for people who have read the damn books _and_ those who seek answers that might be book based. Any whiners about spoilers in those threads should be pitted. - **The Unsullied** : threads just for people who for whatever their reasons would like to pretend the books do not exist. Anyone asking questions/making comments that aren’t 100% show based should be ousted from the threads. It it too damn hard to remember exactly what was said in the episodes vs what might have been mentioned in the books because there is so much overlap (sign of a good adaptation, actually), _and_ most of us suffer from wanting to teach people/share knowledge so we’re far too tempted to say too much. We would have saved ourselves a lot of complaining and eye-rolling if we did it this way to begin with. Don’t worry, if no one else takes on the task, I’ll volunteer to create all the readers’ threads the day of the episodes, even if _I_ never do watch a show before my cable company offers it on In Demand. It’s not like I’d spoil myself 😛 ---
**Author:** ![lisiate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f05b48/32.png) [@lisiate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lisiate)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2011, 1:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-omnibus-discussion-thread-based-on-knowledge-of-books-open-spoilers/579377/1286 "2011-07-02T01:28:34Z")
> [@Merijeek](#): > > I’m not going to bother anymore. Personally, I think it’s not worth anyone answering any questions in that thread. I’ve got two sets of stories in my head and I can’t tell you for sure at what point the Martells were first mentioned. I just know they’re there and they’re from Dorne and they’ll eventually be part of the story. > > At what point did I pass into spoiler territory? If I were to post the words of all the major families, some of them would be spoilers and some of them wouldn’t. > > It’s completely ridiculous. I’ll stick to the thread where you can say “In the book Tyrion is pretty repulsive with mismatched eyes and random patches of wiry hair” without it being bitched about for a dozen posts. > > I do hope we get to see the Bear song. I almost always skip over the songs and poems in books, but the Bear! With Hair! song is hilarious. > > -Joe I’d love to hear _The Bear and the Maiden Fair_ done as well. Maybe they could get some folksinger type to set it to music. ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2011, 1:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-omnibus-discussion-thread-based-on-knowledge-of-books-open-spoilers/579377/1287 "2011-07-02T01:28:37Z")
It cracks me up that the non-readers on TWOP took to calling themselves The Unsullied. I can’t wait until that plot point arises. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2011, 2:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-omnibus-discussion-thread-based-on-knowledge-of-books-open-spoilers/579377/1288 "2011-07-02T02:45:52Z")
Somebody must’ve known, or suggested it to them. I mean, c’mon, what are the odds? ---
**Author:** ![elfkin477](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/a9a28c/32.png) [@elfkin477](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elfkin477)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2011, 3:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-omnibus-discussion-thread-based-on-knowledge-of-books-open-spoilers/579377/1289 "2011-07-02T03:05:34Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > Somebody must’ve known, or suggested it to them. I mean, c’mon, what are the odds? But will they be mad when they realize it was a spoiler? 😃 ---
**Author:** ![OpalCat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/8edcca/32.png) [@OpalCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OpalCat)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2011, 5:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-omnibus-discussion-thread-based-on-knowledge-of-books-open-spoilers/579377/1290 "2011-07-02T05:31:26Z")
Another vote for a second episode thread for each one next season. The whining and arguing detract too much from the threads. ---
**Author:** ![Feyrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/fbc32d/32.png) [@Feyrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Feyrat)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2011, 3:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-omnibus-discussion-thread-based-on-knowledge-of-books-open-spoilers/579377/1291 "2011-07-02T15:05:41Z")
> [@OpalCat](#): > > Another vote for a second episode thread for each one next season. The whining and arguing detract too much from the threads. oh my god the current one is just beyond the pale. ---
**Author:** ![Bridget\_Burke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7cd45c/32.png) [@Bridget\_Burke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bridget_Burke)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2011, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-omnibus-discussion-thread-based-on-knowledge-of-books-open-spoilers/579377/1292 "2011-07-02T19:56:12Z")
> [@Drain\_Bead](#): > > It cracks me up that the non-readers on TWOP took to calling themselves The Unsullied. I can’t wait until that plot point arises. The book readers at TWOP started using the word for the “virgins.” The Unsullied supposedly ignore most of the other spoiler-strewn threads available but there’s apparently been some leakage… ---
**Author:** ![elfkin477](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/a9a28c/32.png) [@elfkin477](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elfkin477)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2011, 2:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-omnibus-discussion-thread-based-on-knowledge-of-books-open-spoilers/579377/1293 "2011-07-03T02:02:28Z")
> [@Feyrat](#): > > oh my god the current one is just beyond the pale. I think these threads are probably requiring more mod attention than every other cafe society thread (post-zombie rule change) combined, and I do mean **all** the threads back several years since the CS’s inception. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2011, 3:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-omnibus-discussion-thread-based-on-knowledge-of-books-open-spoilers/579377/1294 "2011-07-03T03:12:23Z")
> [@elfkin477](#): > > I think these threads are probably requiring more mod attention than every other cafe society thread (post-zombie rule change) combined, and I do mean **all** the threads back several years since the CS’s inception. I really do think it’s the nature of the source book(s). ASoIaF is sooo convoluted and interconnected that it’s HARD to not inadvertently spoil (or “spoil” ) stuff. I think that if they ever adapt something like the Mazalan books or Wheel of Time, we’ll have the same problem. ---
**Author:** ![Feyrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/fbc32d/32.png) [@Feyrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Feyrat)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2011, 6:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-omnibus-discussion-thread-based-on-knowledge-of-books-open-spoilers/579377/1295 "2011-07-03T06:06:10Z")
> [@jayjay](#): > > I really do think it’s the nature of the source book(s). ASoIaF is sooo convoluted and interconnected that it’s HARD to not inadvertently spoil (or “spoil” ) stuff. I think that if they ever adapt something like the Mazalan books or Wheel of Time, we’ll have the same problem. Well hell though, right now people who haven’t read the book aren’t allowed to speculate forward with their OWN ideas of what’s going on in the next bit? Insane! ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2011, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-omnibus-discussion-thread-based-on-knowledge-of-books-open-spoilers/579377/1296 "2011-07-03T17:16:09Z")
> [@Feyrat](#): > > Well hell though, right now people who haven’t read the book aren’t allowed to speculate forward with their OWN ideas of what’s going on in the next bit? Insane! Not true. It’s just that those who HAVE read the books are to pretend such posts never happened. -Joe ---
**Author:** ![elfkin477](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/a9a28c/32.png) [@elfkin477](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elfkin477)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2011, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-omnibus-discussion-thread-based-on-knowledge-of-books-open-spoilers/579377/1297 "2011-07-03T20:06:34Z")
> [@Merijeek](#): > > Not true. It’s just that those who HAVE read the books are to pretend such posts never happened. No, it is true. The season one thread is now missing several posts where non-readers guessed what would happen in season two. It’s now 22 posts long, but was 30 posts long when I went to bed. ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2011, 12:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-omnibus-discussion-thread-based-on-knowledge-of-books-open-spoilers/579377/1298 "2011-07-04T00:33:37Z")
> [@elfkin477](#): > > No, it is true. The season one thread is now missing several posts where non-readers guessed what would happen in season two. It’s now 22 posts long, but was 30 posts long when I went to bed. Wasn’t that just one poster trolling? ---
**Author:** ![quixotic78](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/3ab097/32.png) [@quixotic78](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/quixotic78)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2011, 12:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-omnibus-discussion-thread-based-on-knowledge-of-books-open-spoilers/579377/1299 "2011-07-04T00:58:20Z")
> [@Snarky\_Kong](#): > > Wasn’t that just one poster trolling? The thread count going down was my posts being moved to another thread, but I wasn’t trolling. Please don’t accuse me of such; it’s against the rules (although that would seem to be a non-enforced rule). ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2011, 1:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-omnibus-discussion-thread-based-on-knowledge-of-books-open-spoilers/579377/1300 "2011-07-04T01:26:53Z")
You were, however, shitting on a thread that a lot of people enjoyed. Frankly, one of my favorite things is to watch people who are new to this story react to its twists and turns. I’m very careful to not spoil them, and telling them what doesn’t happen in the books is a spoiler. It’s really not that difficult to pretend that the books don’t exist in that thread–if people have questions, send a PM. The only person who seemed to have a problem with it is you, and I know you quite well enough to see through that stupid act in the most recent one. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-omnibus-discussion-thread-based-on-knowledge-of-books-open-spoilers/579377.md?page=64) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-omnibus-discussion-thread-based-on-knowledge-of-books-open-spoilers/579377.md?page=66)