# Game of Thrones, Post-Book 5 Speculation (open spoilers) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [April 16, 2013, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-post-book-5-speculation-open-spoilers/655864 "2013-04-16T19:52:09Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2013, 2:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-post-book-5-speculation-open-spoilers/655864/21 "2013-04-17T14:56:44Z")
> [@DeptfordX](#): > > I was catching up on the tv show a few days ago, watching the whole unsullied thing play out. > > Remind me, has it ever been addressed why Daenrys didn’t just go to the Golden Company and say > > “Hey, i have Dragons now, who’s up for lot’s of gold and reclaiming their ancestral lands?” The Golden Company was the remnants of the anti-Targaryen Blackfyre rebellion, why would she think they were going to follow her? Hell, I don’t know why they follow Aegon unless someone let them know he was sort of a Blackfyre, which Connington wouldn’t have done. ---
**Author:** ![drastic\_quench](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e36b37/32.png) [@drastic\_quench](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drastic_quench)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2013, 3:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-post-book-5-speculation-open-spoilers/655864/22 "2013-04-17T15:07:09Z")
I would not be surprised if the dragon forces vs The Others war ends with the Others defeated, but the cost is a burned out and frozen Westeros that is unable to support life. As someone else mentioned, I can easily picture a resurrected Snow saying something akin to “The Night’s Watch is served for life, and I’ve given it one. By my troth, I am off.” The Wildlings will be brought into the fold, but it won’t matter, as most of them will still die on the front lines. Bran becomes some sort of Old Gods pope for the new ruler, but I don’t know how this will conflict with the Red God. Maybe Bran just stays entirely unknown to the rest of our players. The whole thing seems doomed anyhow, so perhaps he just oversees the end of the Children of the Forrest, giants, and mammoths as they go into the earth and fade away. Honestly, I don’t care. It’s my least favorite story line, so I wish it would tie in already or die off. I have no clue what will happen to Arya, because it seems like Martin would need five more books to age and train her up to be of any service. Then again, somebody has to rekill Lady Stoneheart. For maximum emotional response, it could be Snow or Arya. ---
**Author:** ![ISiddiqui](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/97f17d/32.png) [@ISiddiqui](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ISiddiqui)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2013, 3:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-post-book-5-speculation-open-spoilers/655864/23 "2013-04-17T15:33:07Z")
> [@gonzoron](#): > > I don’t buy the Our Three Heroes Riding Dragons into Battle, Triumphing over the Others theory. (Whoever the 3 heroes are). That seems too much like standard fantasy mary-sue-ism to me. I count on Martin to subvert it somehow. Well the original 3 heroes were married to each other, so… that’s kind of subverting it ;). ---
**Author:** ![drastic\_quench](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e36b37/32.png) [@drastic\_quench](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drastic_quench)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2013, 4:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-post-book-5-speculation-open-spoilers/655864/24 "2013-04-17T16:24:01Z")
It’s well past time for Daenerys to meet some important players in the story anyhow. That is one of the most frustrating things about the last two books. She’d better meet Tyrion and Victarion Greyjoy in the next book at minimum, and ideally make landfall and meet more key players. ---
**Author:** ![sohvan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/96bed5/32.png) [@sohvan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sohvan)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2013, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-post-book-5-speculation-open-spoilers/655864/25 "2013-04-17T16:36:34Z")
Jon Snow’s body is dead, and he’ll spend the rest of the series warging into various creatures. It turns out historical tales are inaccurate, and the only way to truly control adult dragons is to warg into them. The three dragons will be possessed by three Starks: Bran, Jon and Arya. At least one dragon will die taking a Stark with it, and it’ll probably be Jon. Victarion will steal a dragon and take it to Westeros, though he won’t be able to control it. This will give Dany a reason to cross the sea. He’ll unleash it on his enemies, but it will turn on his allies too. Sansa will kill Littlefinger. Arya will assassinate a major character. There will be more pointless POV characters, and new minor plot developments in faraway reaches of the world that no one cares about. ---
**Author:** ![hogarth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hogarth/32/1773_2.png) [@hogarth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hogarth)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2013, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-post-book-5-speculation-open-spoilers/655864/26 "2013-04-17T16:45:55Z")
> [@drastic\_quench](#): > > I would not be surprised if the dragon forces vs The Others war ends with the Others defeated, but the cost is a burned out and frozen Westeros that is unable to support life. I assumed there would be some kind of Pyrrhic victory as well. ---
**Author:** ![bump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7c8e57/32.png) [@bump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bump)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2013, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-post-book-5-speculation-open-spoilers/655864/27 "2013-04-17T17:17:32Z")
> [@sohvan](#): > > Jon Snow’s body is dead, and he’ll spend the rest of the series warging into various creatures. I doubt that; I suspect Jon will be dead, but since Stannis and Melisandre are hanging about, they’ll do that same R’hllorian death ritual that Thoros of Myr did for Beric Dondarrion, and Surprise! Jon’s back to life(sort of). I don’t think Melisandre’s yet aware that the ritual can now bring the dead back. Not sure if he’ll bail on the Night’s Watch or not- that’s an interesting thought. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2013, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-post-book-5-speculation-open-spoilers/655864/28 "2013-04-17T17:30:34Z")
I keep forgetting about Gendry. Any thoughts on his future? ---
**Author:** ![Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/qadgop_the_mercotan/32/83_2.png) [@Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qadgop_the_Mercotan)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2013, 7:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-post-book-5-speculation-open-spoilers/655864/29 "2013-04-17T19:28:49Z")
Evidence will come out implying that Aerys Targaryen is really Tyrion’s father. He’ll hence be the ideal spouse for Daenarys. ---
**Author:** ![drastic\_quench](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e36b37/32.png) [@drastic\_quench](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drastic_quench)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2013, 8:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-post-book-5-speculation-open-spoilers/655864/30 "2013-04-17T20:39:01Z")
> [@Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](#): > > Evidence will come out implying that Aerys Targaryen is really Tyrion’s father. > > He’ll hence be the ideal spouse for Daenarys. That would be a mindfuck on par with a franken-wolfen-Robb Stark. ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2013, 8:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-post-book-5-speculation-open-spoilers/655864/31 "2013-04-17T20:47:29Z")
So much has been made of the endless supply of Freys that I think Lady Stoneheart and others are going to do a House Frey specific genocide and kill every legitimate male descendant of the Late Lord Frey from the ones who’ve grown old waiting for Walder to die to the baby his 8th wife just had. It will deliberately make the Red Wedding a morality tale for treachery, cowardice, greed, duplicity, etc… Ideally, Lord Walder would live to see himself the last legitimate Frey of the dozens of kids and descendants he sired and know that The Twins is leaving his family’s possession, but due to his age he probably won’t. I think Varys will be revealed to have lied about how he lost his genitals and that he’s actually a rogue Unsullied. ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2013, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-post-book-5-speculation-open-spoilers/655864/32 "2013-04-17T20:58:35Z")
> [@sohvan](#): > > There will be more pointless POV characters, and new minor plot developments in faraway reaches of the world that no one cares about. I’m fairly certain that GRRM has said there will be no new POVs. > [@drastic\_quench](#): > > That would be a mindfuck on par with a franken-wolfen-Robb Stark. Tyrion being a Targaryen is long speculated. There is some evidence for it. Aerys was known to have lusted after Tywin’s wife. ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2013, 9:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-post-book-5-speculation-open-spoilers/655864/33 "2013-04-17T21:15:03Z")
Since Martin takes actual historical events for many of his plots, I’m waiting for a peasant revolt led by an imposter claiming to be one of the dead claimants. Robb Stark, Viserys, or Joffrey would probably be the best bets. ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2013, 9:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-post-book-5-speculation-open-spoilers/655864/34 "2013-04-17T21:16:29Z")
> [@Sampiro](#): > > Since Martin takes actual historical events for many of his plots, I’m waiting for a peasant revolt led by an imposter claiming to be one of the dead claimants. Robb Stark, Viserys, or Joffrey would probably be the best bets. We have a fake claimant already, Aegon. ---
**Author:** ![pqgenie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/a183cd/32.png) [@pqgenie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pqgenie)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2013, 9:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-post-book-5-speculation-open-spoilers/655864/35 "2013-04-17T21:23:45Z")
Daenarys dies, Tyrion dies, everybody dies… No, wait, that’s from the movie _Heavy Metal_. ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2013, 9:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-post-book-5-speculation-open-spoilers/655864/36 "2013-04-17T21:29:58Z")
> [@Sampiro](#): > > Since Martin takes actual historical events for many of his plots, I’m waiting for a peasant revolt led by an imposter claiming to be one of the dead claimants. Robb Stark, Viserys, or Joffrey would probably be the best bets. I think that both Robb and Joffrey would be pretty hard to impersonate, as there were too many witnesses to both their deaths. Viserys, on the other hand, might be an interesting subject for a false claim. Who really saw him die, anyway? A bunch of horse-worshiping savages, his sister (who conveniently \*inherited \*his claim) and an exiled, disgraced slave-trader. Of course, there is one small problem…you might be able to fool the human inhabitants of Westeros into supporting your claim, but can you get the dragons to come along? ---
**Author:** ![bump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7c8e57/32.png) [@bump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bump)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2013, 12:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-post-book-5-speculation-open-spoilers/655864/37 "2013-04-18T12:54:07Z")
> [@Snarky\_Kong](#): > > Tyrion being a Targaryen is long speculated. There is some evidence for it. Aerys was known to have lusted after Tywin’s wife. If I had to pick out Lannisters who are actually Targaryens, I’d put my money on Jaime and Cersei instead of Tyrion; there’s a lot of oddities about them - incest, beauty, etc… that are Targaryen-esque, and their names (Jaime’s in particular) isn’t in keeping with the Ty-whatever style of Lannister names, but Tyrion’s is. Plus, there’s a comment from Genna Lannister in one of the books telling Tywin that Tyrion is his true son in temperament, intelligence and demeanor, not Jaime and Cersei. I also have a feeling that we’re building up to some huge fight with the Others, and a lot of these things like the Faith Militant are going to end up playing a role. Of course, there’s going to be the usual back-stabbing and treachery, but I think the War of the Five Kings will start to pale in comparison to the threat from the Others. ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2013, 1:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-post-book-5-speculation-open-spoilers/655864/38 "2013-04-18T13:28:35Z")
> [@Acsenray](#): > > I keep forgetting about Gendry. Any thoughts on his future? I haven’t finished Book 5. Does he know who his father is yet? Robert/Stannis/Renly have a maternal grandfather who’s still alive and one of the southern noblemen; maybe he’ll ultimately take the boy as his heir and somebody will have a happy ending. Though that would require a lot of moving parts. Tommen will be beloved by the people and become saintlike and the figurehead of a religious movement when he’s killed. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2013, 1:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-post-book-5-speculation-open-spoilers/655864/39 "2013-04-18T13:30:48Z")
I was imagining Aerys as a kind of germophobe who would flinch from human contact, especially something as messy as sex, bit then I remembered that Rhaella was pregnant when Arts was killed, so I suppose it’s not o it of the question that Aerys actually did more than just leer at Joanna Lannister, although from what we know about Joanna, she was devoted to Tywin. (Autocorrect changed “germophobe” to “francophone” and then “videophone.”) ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2013, 1:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-post-book-5-speculation-open-spoilers/655864/40 "2013-04-18T13:33:51Z")
> [@Sampiro](#): > > I haven’t finished Book 5. Does he know who his father is yet? No, he doesn’t. Varys and perhaps Littlefinger might be the only living people who know. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-post-book-5-speculation-open-spoilers/655864.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-post-book-5-speculation-open-spoilers/655864.md?page=3)