# game of thrones redo season 8 change.org petition **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [May 16, 2019, 12:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-redo-season-8-change-org-petition/834032 "2019-05-16T00:59:48Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Bijou\_Drains](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bijou_drains/32/2814_2.png) [@Bijou\_Drains](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bijou_Drains)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2019, 10:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-redo-season-8-change-org-petition/834032/81 "2019-05-20T10:33:49Z")
Can I sign a petition to ban dumb petitions? ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2019, 12:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-redo-season-8-change-org-petition/834032/82 "2019-05-20T12:08:24Z")
> [@nightshadea](#): > > i wonder if after the ending that was discussed in the show thread and on the tv sites there’s gonna have a million people more signing it tomorrow I could be wrong, but I think the number of people who held off of signing a futile, petulant nerdrage petition after the fifth episode, but are excited to sign it after the sixth, is not gonna be huge. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2019, 12:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-redo-season-8-change-org-petition/834032/83 "2019-05-20T12:22:10Z")
Imagine you’re HBO, and you’ve got a spare hundred million dollars sitting around. Do you re-do the entire last season of your biggest series, which will still not have any more episodes or do you spend it on some new shows that might be somewhat popular and continue past the one season? ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2019, 1:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-redo-season-8-change-org-petition/834032/84 "2019-05-20T13:06:04Z")
A remake wouldn’t make anyone happy. There is a reason this petition appeared right after episode 5, it’s Dany’s heel turn that people want rewritten. Not the plot holes, the bad writing, the complete 180 in quality of the show. Nope, its something that was pre determined before the show started that they want changed. ---
**Author:** ![Bijou\_Drains](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bijou_drains/32/2814_2.png) [@Bijou\_Drains](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bijou_Drains)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2019, 1:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-redo-season-8-change-org-petition/834032/85 "2019-05-20T13:14:02Z")
I would like a redo of the 2002 Stanley Cup finals since my favorite team lost. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2019, 1:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-redo-season-8-change-org-petition/834032/86 "2019-05-20T13:20:10Z")
A petition for another season makes a lot more sense. They can change the story anyway they want. Kill off characters and add new ones. It seems crazy to end such a popular show. That’s the interesting thing about Game of Thrones. It doesn’t matter what they revealed in the Finale. You know events will change quickly off screen. These characters will never stop manipulating each other. ---
**Author:** ![HammerJoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a6a055/32.png) [@HammerJoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HammerJoe)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2019, 1:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-redo-season-8-change-org-petition/834032/87 "2019-05-20T13:22:09Z")
You folks are looking at this the wrong way imo. Everyone knows its ludicrous to think that the show can be remade. Its not going to happen. But its a way for all the voices to come together and show the displeasure of ruining what was a great show. Its the frustration of waiting two years to see the conclusion and be presented with something that was absolutely pure garbage. ---
**Author:** ![Bijou\_Drains](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bijou_drains/32/2814_2.png) [@Bijou\_Drains](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bijou_Drains)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2019, 1:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-redo-season-8-change-org-petition/834032/88 "2019-05-20T13:23:35Z")
all popular shows end often because actors and creators want to move on . GOT with 8 seasons/73 episodes is a lot for HBO . Sopranos went 6 seasons and 86 episodes , that is probably the most of any HBO show. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2019, 3:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-redo-season-8-change-org-petition/834032/89 "2019-05-20T15:38:31Z")
> [@HammerJoe](#): > > You folks are looking at this the wrong way imo. > Everyone knows its ludicrous to think that the show can be remade. Its not going to happen. > But its a way for all the voices to come together and show the displeasure of ruining what was a great show. > Its the frustration of waiting two years to see the conclusion and be presented with something that was absolutely pure garbage. No, that’s pretty much what it looks like to me as well, although the negative opinion you have of the show, I have of the folks thinking they need an organized way to bring their voices together to show their displeasure with how the show went. ---
**Author:** ![Omar\_Little](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omar_little/32/269_2.png) [@Omar\_Little](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omar_Little)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2019, 3:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-redo-season-8-change-org-petition/834032/90 "2019-05-20T15:54:54Z")
> [@HammerJoe](#): > > You folks are looking at this the wrong way imo. > Everyone knows its ludicrous to think that the show can be remade. Its not going to happen. > But its a way for all the voices to come together and show the displeasure of ruining what was a great show. > Its the frustration of waiting two years to see the conclusion and be presented with something that was absolutely pure garbage. Are you saying that all 600k people that signed the petition have the **same** ideas about how the show **should have** ended? I highly doubt it. It could have ended many numerous ways, and lots of people would still be disappointed. Meh, it’s just a television show, you’ll get over it. ---
**Author:** ![Didactylos](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a183cd/32.png) [@Didactylos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Didactylos)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2019, 4:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-redo-season-8-change-org-petition/834032/91 "2019-05-20T16:19:46Z")
I want a redo of season 7 and 8 where Margaery survives and most of the episodes deal with her slowly advancing in the sparrow hierarchy and finally becoming high Sparrow herself and have the old high sparrow humiliated and thrown in the dungeons. Khaleesi and Jon both realises they are at best mediocre leaders and renounce any claim to iron thrones or kingdom in the norf’. Cercei stubs her toe, dies. A Lannister cousin who looks exactly like Lena Headey with a red or black wig becomes head of house Lannister. Together they go and defeat the night King. Where do I sign? ---
**Author:** ![Exapno\_Mapcase](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/exapno_mapcase/32/1051_2.png) [@Exapno\_Mapcase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Exapno_Mapcase)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2019, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-redo-season-8-change-org-petition/834032/92 "2019-05-20T16:23:51Z")
IMDB ratings for this season’s six episodes. For context, no episode in seasons 1-7 ever received a rating below 8.0. 1. 8.0 2. 8.2 3. 7.9 4. 5.9 5. 6.5 6. 4.7 ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2019, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-redo-season-8-change-org-petition/834032/93 "2019-05-20T16:42:58Z")
> [@Didactylos](#): > > I want a redo of season 7 and 8 where Margaery survives and most of the episodes deal with her slowly advancing in the sparrow hierarchy and finally becoming high Sparrow herself and have the old high sparrow humiliated and thrown in the dungeons. Khaleesi and Jon both realises they are at best mediocre leaders and renounce any claim to iron thrones or kingdom in the norf’. Cercei stubs her toe, dies. A Lannister cousin who looks exactly like Lena Headey with a red or black wig becomes head of house Lannister. Together they go and defeat the night King. > > Where do I sign? Margaery dies in Season 6, so you’d have to go back that far to rewrite her story. And if people are so gung-ho to see this rewritten, why not write your own fan fiction? You can end it however you wish, without HBO having to blow a hundred million dollars on a pointless exercise. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2019, 6:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-redo-season-8-change-org-petition/834032/94 "2019-05-20T18:04:55Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > Well said (the entire post). > > The show runners had these two Illegitimate Rulers to dispose of by the end of the series: Cersei, who’s been (as you note) consistently sadistic and cruel, and Daenerys, who’s been consistently harsh in bringing new territory under her rule, but always for a reason. No sadism for sadism’s sake with Daenerys. > > (I’ll refer readers to the excellent summing up of Daenerys-related incidents that Unreconstructed Man provided in this post: [https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=21644420#post21644420](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=21644420#post21644420) ) > > So by season 8, the audience is eagerly anticipating a come-uppance for Cersei that matches her own malice and viciousness. And the audience is agog to find out how Daenerys will be held to account for…well, being a harsh ruler. Most seemed to expect that Dany would face consequences for being ambitious, but at the same time most expected that it would be Cersei whose downfall would be the emotional climax of the entire story. > > But the show runners had fallen in love with Jaime. > > They had to acknowledge, in this last season, that he had done some things that could be criticized. He pushed a child out of a high tower window, for one thing. That was recognized, briefly, in a rather underwritten scene of Jaime and the now-grown child, er, looking at each other. > > But other than that, Jaime was our golden boy—he had to have a noble ending. And how could he have a noble ending while Cersei was being humiliated/torn limb-from-limb/forced to bow before (say) Dany while a dragon stood over her, licking its chops? > > Answer: he couldn’t. Couldn’t have that noble ending in such circumstances. So the show runners decided to have Cersei die without much in the way of humiliation or mutilation or degradation. > > But the audience really, really, really needed to see an illegitimate ruler brought low. > > So Dany—who’d been harsh in judgment, but not sadistic, not malicious, not spiteful, not vindictive—suddenly became the Ultimate in vindictiveness. > > (No, burning up a city full of innocents is NOT rational, no matter how many show-fans may say it is. Dany made herself the Butcher of Kings Landing. She would never be able to rule, after that. No guards she could buy could be trusted not to assassinate her; no moment away from a wakeful dragon would ever be safe for her. No one would trust her. She would not be able to rule. Her action cannot be explained as ‘what she felt she had to do to rule effectively.’ > > (And her action cannot be explained as ‘she snapped,’ either. The only way Dany’s actions can make sense in story terms is “instant full insanity”—again, no matter the excuses, insanity on that level had NOT been established in this story. Petulance and resentment; yes. Insanity: no. “Snapping” doesn’t look like a systematic annihilation of thousands of people, unless you are full-on insane. And the writers did not establish that Dany was full-on insane.) > > The solution of the show runners to the need of the audience to see an Illegitimate Ruler brought down, was to make Dany an Instant-Monster—presumably, so that her fate in the upcoming final episode will give audiences the big hit of emotional gratification that they’ve been expecting since first seeing Cersei having her husband, and then Ned, killed. > > Funny that this petition has gotten so much attention even before the last episode airs. Guess the signers have no confidence that the last episode’s writing will redeem what’s come before. > > Maybe there will be a do-over in the form of graphic novels, as with other shows that didn’t end the way people hoped they would. Though they’d be ‘underground,’ as it’s doubtful that either Martin or HBO would authorize such. I don’t know why you are assigning these motives to the showrunners. I’ve seen nothing to suggest that the ending was anything other than what GRRM had planned from the beginning. Jaime’s end happened because that’s how Martin wanted to end. If the show was about what the audience “really, really needed to see” then Robb Stark would be on the Iron Throne and all of the giant cute doggies would be alive. ---
**Author:** ![HammerJoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a6a055/32.png) [@HammerJoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HammerJoe)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2019, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-redo-season-8-change-org-petition/834032/95 "2019-05-20T18:33:35Z")
> [@Omar\_Little](#): > > Are you saying that all 600k people that signed the petition have the **same** ideas about how the show **should have** ended? I highly doubt it. It could have ended many numerous ways, and lots of people would still be disappointed. > > Meh, it’s just a television show, you’ll get over it. No, I dont think that the 1 millionth plus that signed the petition all wanted the same ending, they wanted a better storytelling. This conclusion could have been much more satisfying if the story was told otherwise. Thats all. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2019, 9:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-redo-season-8-change-org-petition/834032/96 "2019-05-20T21:03:30Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > (No, burning up a city full of innocents is NOT rational, no matter how many show-fans may say it is. Dany made herself the Butcher of Kings Landing. She would never be able to rule, after that. No guards she could buy could be trusted not to assassinate her; no moment away from a wakeful dragon would ever be safe for her. No one would trust her. She would not be able to rule. Her action cannot be explained as ‘what she felt she had to do to rule effectively.’ > > (And her action cannot be explained as ‘she snapped,’ either. The only way Dany’s actions can make sense in story terms is “instant full insanity”—again, no matter the excuses, insanity on that level had NOT been established in this story. Petulance and resentment; yes. Insanity: no. “Snapping” doesn’t look like a systematic annihilation of thousands of people, unless you are full-on insane. And the writers did not establish that Dany was full-on insane.) I’m not a GoT fan - read the first two book ages ago, and only ever saw one episode of the TV show, so I’m not directly defending the last season, but… Since when (in real life history) has burning a city to the ground ever been a problem for military and/or political leaders? Both in terms of personal morality, and in terms of their long-term ability to retain power? I mean, Dresden was burned to the ground using superior air power less than a century ago, and none of the people responsible for it were assassinated, or rendered social pariahs, or anything. Most of them spent the rest of their lives being lauded for it. (Although one person involved in planning the raid was totally and unambiguously [Evill](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas_Evill)). ---
**Author:** ![Bijou\_Drains](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bijou_drains/32/2814_2.png) [@Bijou\_Drains](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bijou_Drains)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2019, 9:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-redo-season-8-change-org-petition/834032/97 "2019-05-20T21:28:54Z")
I bet a few people here want to redo an election held in 2016 . Here in NC they are redoing an election for Congress from last year. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2019, 9:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-redo-season-8-change-org-petition/834032/98 "2019-05-20T21:36:26Z")
Sure, but there was corruption in that Congressional race in North Carolina. Meanwhile, the 2016 US presidential election was completely aboveboard and clean. “No collusion. No obstruction.” ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2019, 11:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-redo-season-8-change-org-petition/834032/99 "2019-05-20T23:07:30Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > … > Since when (in real life history) has burning a city to the ground ever been a problem for military and/or political leaders? Both in terms of personal morality, and in terms of their long-term ability to retain power? I mean, Dresden was burned to the ground using superior air power less than a century ago, and none of the people responsible for it were assassinated, or rendered social pariahs, or anything. Most of them spent the rest of their lives being lauded for it. … In Martin’s fictional world, “Kings Landing” is the biggest city not only in its own kingdom, but on the entire continent, and as such is the economic engine of a large part of that continent. Was the same true of Dresden? Or was Dresden destroyed as, basically, leverage: _if you don’t want this to happen to any of your other cities, you’d better surrender._ (That’s a notable simplification of the WW2 situation, of course, but it’s the part that’s relevant to this discussion.) No such thing was going on in the GoT storyline: Dany wasn’t trying to get a massive military machine that dominated the continent to stand down–as was the case with the Allies confronting the German Nazis. I can’t see that Dresden provides a good analogy in any way to the GoT plot-line. Better would be, say, London in 1480—if a foreign invader had burned it to the ground, much of the economic life of the entire nation of England would have been massively effected. Not so with Dresden (and Germany) in 1945. ---
**Author:** ![Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f475e1/32.png) [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jimmy_Chitwood)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2019, 11:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-redo-season-8-change-org-petition/834032/100 "2019-05-20T23:40:08Z")
> [@EllisDee](#): > > And actually, season 8 ratings being significantly higher than previous seasons goes a fair way toward explaining the outrage to me. I’m guessing fans got their friends and family excited to watch the final season. After explaining the gist of the show to their new viewer loved ones, they sit down to watch the final season together. _And now that awesome dragon lady I told you all about, see how brave she is killing all those zombies? She’s such a badass hero, I told you you’d like it._ > > […2 episodes later…] > > I DON’T KNOW WHY SHE’S DOING THAT!!! I SWEAR SHE WAS NEVER EVIL BEFORE, THE WRITERS AM DUMB!!! Multiple threads now into a series of uncalled-for insults of people who criticized a (hacky, ill-considered, lazily written) fantasy television season, congrats. This is the sneeringest and the snidest and the least called for. Yes, you’ve nailed it. I thought the plot beats were awfully delivered because I sleep with a Badass Dany body pillow and had all my friends pumped to watch the Awesome Dragon Lady. I thought this would end with a Harry Potter style flash forward of Dany and Jon’s kids going to school with Samwell Jr. It’s not that I just watched it, thought it was notably poorly done, and then went on with my life – I’m lashing out because of _heartbreak_. That’s where my casually held (and previously not even expressed because why wade into that) opinions about bad storytelling are coming from. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-redo-season-8-change-org-petition/834032.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-redo-season-8-change-org-petition/834032.md?page=6)