# Game of Thrones S3 - open spoilers **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [March 30, 2013, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-s3-open-spoilers/654362 "2013-03-30T16:23:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![clairobscur](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/839c29/32.png) [@clairobscur](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/clairobscur)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2013, 1:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-s3-open-spoilers/654362/181 "2013-04-16T01:07:15Z")
> [@sideshowkar](#): > > It’s been a while since I read the books, but didn’t Ramsay and his men set people free and hunt them for sport? ). Yes, they did. In fact, especially women. However, Ramsay _hates_ being called a bastard. That’s why I assumed it was one of his father’s man, rather that one of his acolytes (of course, since he’s about to die, he doesn’t have anything to lose and could call him “bastard” anyway). But it doesn’t makes much sense to kill his own friends in crime. Anyway, the difference is neglectible. He freed Theon just for the fun of fucking with his mind, and the men chasing him might have known how he was freed (if they were Ramsay’s men) or not (if they weren’t), in any case they were killed all the same. ---
**Author:** ![clairobscur](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/839c29/32.png) [@clairobscur](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/clairobscur)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2013, 1:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-s3-open-spoilers/654362/182 "2013-04-16T01:15:49Z")
> [@madmonk28](#): > > I know it’s already been mentioned, but I’m really going to enjoy the reaction of those who haven’t read the book when a certain wedding happens. Yes, everybody’s waiting for that. I remember especially people who said during last season that contrarily to what was stated, main characters weren’t in fact being killed left and right. Even Jaime’s mere loss of a hand came as a shock. And since they seem to flesh out Robb a lot in the recent épisodes, people are going to be pissed off. His mother, on the other hand seems to have been losing support within the “no spoilers” crowd. By the way I like more and more the actor playing Robb. As well as his character in fact. I’m going to be pissed too when they’ll off him. :mad: ---
**Author:** ![Fair\_Rarity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fair_rarity/32/153_2.png) [@Fair\_Rarity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fair_Rarity)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2013, 1:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-s3-open-spoilers/654362/183 "2013-04-16T01:33:20Z")
I really loved the episode. While it had dark moments, I think a lighter episode was needed because it’s going to get really ugly from here on out. I assume next week we’ll be down some Crows, and that’s going to be rough to watch. The Unsullied viewers don’t know it, but it feels like this is the last breather we’re going to get this season. ---
**Author:** ![gonzoron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a6a055/32.png) [@gonzoron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzoron)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2013, 2:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-s3-open-spoilers/654362/184 "2013-04-16T02:36:25Z")
A great but bizarre episode. The level of comic relief was higher than in the rest of the series combined. That scene with the chairs at the small council meeting was like something out of SNL. But I loved it. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2013, 3:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-s3-open-spoilers/654362/185 "2013-04-16T03:01:16Z")
I was expecting that Tyrion would end up standing on the table. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2013, 3:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-s3-open-spoilers/654362/186 "2013-04-16T03:05:10Z")
Edmure Tully was not as I imagined him, but that was fine because Tobias Menzies as usual was the perfect upper-class twit. I love Noah Taylor so much, that I’m just never going to buy him as Vargo Hoat. Maybe that’s why they changed his name. ---
**Author:** ![Ace331](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Ace331](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ace331)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2013, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-s3-open-spoilers/654362/187 "2013-04-16T15:04:25Z")
I am just now reading book 2 and am coming across differences from the show. In the book, when Theon is traveling back home, his Uncle escorts him back, but on the show, they have his sister (unbeknownst to him) escort him back while he feels her up. What was the purpose of this change? It doesn’t seem necessary to me. ---
**Author:** ![Reverse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e79b87/32.png) [@Reverse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Reverse)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2013, 3:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-s3-open-spoilers/654362/188 "2013-04-16T15:18:51Z")
> [@Ace331](#): > > I am just now reading book 2 and am coming across differences from the show. In the book, when Theon is traveling back home, his Uncle escorts him back, but on the show, they have his sister (unbeknownst to him) escort him back while he feels her up. What was the purpose of this change? It doesn’t seem necessary to me. The fingerbanging is in the book, they just combined two scenes to save time. ---
**Author:** ![Cowboy8467](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b5e925/32.png) [@Cowboy8467](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cowboy8467)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2013, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-s3-open-spoilers/654362/189 "2013-04-16T15:52:45Z")
> [@clairobscur](#): > > **Yes, everybody’s waiting for that. I remember especially people who said during last season that contrarily to what was stated, main characters weren’t in fact being killed left and right. Even Jaime’s mere loss of a hand came as a shock.** > And since they seem to flesh out Robb a lot in the recent épisodes, people are going to be pissed off. His mother, on the other hand seems to have been losing support within the “no spoilers” crowd. > > By the way I like more and more the actor playing Robb. As well as his character in fact. I’m going to be pissed too when they’ll off him. :mad: Yeah, there was one poster in particular who was pretty much mocking all of the book readers for claiming that people were killed of left and right and said that Game of Thrones was no different from any other series where the main characters were protected from being killed. He then went on to list a bunch of characters who he thought it would be a big deal if they were killed and I remember reading that and thinking that at least half if not three quarters of those people would be dead soon. Can’t remember who it was though. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2013, 4:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-s3-open-spoilers/654362/190 "2013-04-16T16:12:16Z")
> [@Ace331](#): > > I am just now reading book 2 and am coming across differences from the show. In the book, when Theon is traveling back home, his Uncle escorts him back, but on the show, they have his sister (unbeknownst to him) escort him back while he feels her up. What was the purpose of this change? It doesn’t seem necessary to me. The show has eliminated or combined a lot of characters in order to save screen time, which is necessary given time constraints. I wouldn’t be surprised if getting rid of Aeron Damphair is one of those. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2013, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-s3-open-spoilers/654362/191 "2013-04-16T21:02:53Z")
Has anyone figured out why they went to the trouble of changing Jeyne Westerling to Talisa? ---
**Author:** ![SecretaryofEvil](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e95f7d/32.png) [@SecretaryofEvil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SecretaryofEvil)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2013, 9:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-s3-open-spoilers/654362/192 "2013-04-16T21:29:52Z")
> [@Cowboy8467](#): > > Yeah, there was one poster in particular who was pretty much mocking all of the book readers for claiming that people were killed of left and right and said that Game of Thrones was no different from any other series where the main characters were protected from being killed. He then went on to list a bunch of characters who he thought it would be a big deal if they were killed and I remember reading that and thinking that at least half if not three quarters of those people would be dead soon. > > Can’t remember who it was though. Look upon my mighty google skills and despair! Ellis Dee rolls his (her?) eyes at our nerd gloating, because GOT is predictable. [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=15130095&postcount=39](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=15130095&postcount=39) Ellis Dee makes a list of characters that “are going to live because they are main characters and just like any other story, you don’t kill off the main characters.” [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=15133984&postcount=141](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=15133984&postcount=141) 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![drastic\_quench](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e36b37/32.png) [@drastic\_quench](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drastic_quench)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2013, 9:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-s3-open-spoilers/654362/193 "2013-04-16T21:32:50Z")
> [@Acsenray](#): > > Has anyone figured out why they went to the trouble of changing Jeyne Westerling to Talisa? [![](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/jsTVnZm9hFg/hqdefault.jpg?sqp=-oaymwEmCOADEOgC8quKqQMa8AEB-AH-BIAC4AOKAgwIABABGGUgTSg_MA8=&rs=AOn4CLCqngpOo-gsJ48hpUV9RHfFGaj2Uw "Roose Change: The Lannister Honeypot") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jsTVnZm9hFg) ---
**Author:** ![bouv](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bc8723/32.png) [@bouv](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bouv)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2013, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-s3-open-spoilers/654362/194 "2013-04-16T21:40:34Z")
> [@Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](#): > > When a couple of certain weddings happen! 🙂 Only The Red Wedding is in this season (well, and Tyrion and Sansa’s, but that’sd a pretty minor one…no one even dies!) Joffrey’s will be next season, my guess is episode 4 or 5. Tyrion’s trial will be the episode after that, Oberyn fighting The Mountain the one after that, and Tyrion’s escape one or two after that. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2013, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-s3-open-spoilers/654362/195 "2013-04-16T21:47:36Z")
> [@SecretaryofEvil](#): > > Ellis Dee makes a list of characters that “are going to live because they are main characters and just like any other story, you don’t kill off the main characters.” > [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=15133984&postcount=141](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=15133984&postcount=141) So let’s see: > [@Ellis Dee](#): > > Dany or her manservant > Robb, Arya or Sansa > Lady Stark, and now Brienne > The cripple or his wildling nanny > Jamie or Cersei > Tyrion or Shae > Jon Snow, and now his girlfriend > The whoremonger and the eunach > The Hound or Bronn > > I’m really not feeling like any of those people could be killed off at any point, but rather that they are going to live because they are main characters and just like any other story, you don’t kill off the main characters So let’s tally At the end of Book 5: Daenerys - Alive and somewhere in the Dothraki Sea but widely believed dead Jorah - Alive in Mereen **Robb - KILLED at the Twins** Arya - Alive in Braavos Sansa - Alive in transit from the Eyrie **Catelyn Stark - KILLED at the Twins but raised as undead by Beric Dondarrion** Brienne of Tarth - Believed to be alive, searching for Sansa Brandon Stark - Alive and with the Last Greenseer Osha - Unknown, but last was alive and with Rickon Stark Jaime Lannister - One-handed but alive and believed to be with Brienne Cersei Lannister - Alive, but found guilty of fornication and essentially powerless Tyrion Lannister - Alive in Mereen **Shae - KILLED at King’s Landing** Jon Snow - Stabbed repeatedly and _possibly dead_ **Ygritte - KILLED at Castle Black** Petyr Baelish (“Littlefinger”) - Alive, in transit from the Eyrie Varys - Alive in Kings Landing **Sandor Clegane (“the Hound”) - KILLED at the Crossroads** Bronn - Alive in Stokeworth ---
**Author:** ![Skammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skammer/32/143_2.png) [@Skammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skammer)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2013, 9:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-s3-open-spoilers/654362/196 "2013-04-16T21:53:45Z")
Every time one of those characters dies in the show, someone should quote her post with the dead character crossed out. (Not in the quote box of course!) ETA: Or his, not sure if Ellis Dee is male or female. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2013, 9:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-s3-open-spoilers/654362/197 "2013-04-16T21:54:38Z")
The Hound is alive and well. ---
**Author:** ![Charley](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/97f17d/32.png) [@Charley](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Charley)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2013, 9:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-s3-open-spoilers/654362/198 "2013-04-16T21:58:31Z")
Loved this episode, I had pretty much forgotten about Jamie’s hand, for some reason, so it was delicious. I’ve found something really strange in the last few weeks. I started reading the books after I’d seen the first season, and I read them one after the other in a mad rush. Truth be told, I was a bit GofT’d out by the end of it, but it made a huge positive difference to my enjoyment of my second viewing of season 1, and to everything since. The strange thing, though, is that I’m having real trouble separating what we’ve now seen on screen and what I’ve only read. My only thought is that maybe the books are so … um… cinematic, maybe, that I’ve ‘seen’ it all already. Combine that with the sublime casting and the pretty damn awesome production, and I’m struggling to separate page and screen. For instance, I feel like I’ve seen Dany and her big dragon escape, and Cersei’s humiliation. Anyone else getting this? Maybe it shows I have a very vivid imagination. Or no imagination at all. Or something. I’m just glad my husband’s read them all too, so that I can torment him with constant questions:“did we see x yet?” 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2013, 9:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-s3-open-spoilers/654362/199 "2013-04-16T21:58:55Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > The Hound is alive and well. This is not definitive knowledge. So far as we actually know, the Hound, died in the monk’s arms. ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2013, 10:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-s3-open-spoilers/654362/200 "2013-04-16T22:17:59Z")
[quote=“drastic\_quench, post:193, topic:654362”] [/QUOTE] That’s not much of a change even if it’s true. It doesn’t explain why they’d change the name either. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-s3-open-spoilers/654362.md?page=9) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-s3-open-spoilers/654362.md?page=11)