# Game of Thrones S3 - open spoilers **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [March 30, 2013, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-s3-open-spoilers/654362 "2013-03-30T16:23:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2013, 10:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-s3-open-spoilers/654362/201 "2013-04-16T22:20:58Z")
> [@Skammer](#): > > Every time one of those characters dies in the show, someone should quote her post with the dead character crossed out. (Not in the quote box of course!) > > ETA: Or his, not sure if Ellis Dee is male or female. I think that’s kind of a spoiler though. Gloating about one character being killed would be weird so it would imply more of the character would die. **Acsenray** , the evidence for the Hound being dead is “some dude said so.” The evidence for him being alive is that characters see a man fitting his description in close proximity to the Hound’s horse. ---
**Author:** ![gonzoron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a6a055/32.png) [@gonzoron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzoron)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2013, 10:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-s3-open-spoilers/654362/202 "2013-04-16T22:23:39Z")
> [@bouv](#): > > (well, and Tyrion and Sansa’s, but that’sd a pretty minor one…no one even dies!) Good thing no Dothraki were invited, they’d be offended! ---
**Author:** ![Reverse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e79b87/32.png) [@Reverse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Reverse)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2013, 10:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-s3-open-spoilers/654362/203 "2013-04-16T22:30:26Z")
The Hound is still about, raping and pillaging the countryside. Sandor Clegane, on the other hand, is at rest. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2013, 10:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-s3-open-spoilers/654362/204 "2013-04-16T22:36:36Z")
> [@Snarky\_Kong](#): > > That’s not much of a change even if it’s true. It doesn’t explain why they’d change the name either. Even then, it would make sense to keep her as Jeyne Westerling, knowing that the Westerlings were Lannister allies. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2013, 10:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-s3-open-spoilers/654362/205 "2013-04-16T22:46:22Z")
> [@Acsenray](#): > > I was expecting that Tyrion would end up standing on the table. Heh. Or sitting on his dad’s lap. The exchanged glances, raised eyebrows, jockeying for advantage and silent physical comedy of that scene were just _great_. [quote=“drastic\_quench, post:193, topic:654362”] [/QUOTE] Verrrrrrrrrrrrrrrry interesting. Robb’s expression when, or if, he realizes his beloved wife was a turncoat all along is going to be something to see. I love Brienne - one of my favorite characters. This actress still doesn’t really fit my mental image of her, but she’s doing pretty well. I loved how she was offhandedly but relentlessly forcing Jaime down, near the end of their duel on the bridge in last week’s episode. Don’t remember any reference in the books to Tarth being the sole Westerosi source of sapphires, though. Is that so? Can’t wait to see the arrogant slavers of Astapor get their comeuppance. ---
**Author:** ![Yookeroo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yookeroo/32/323_2.png) [@Yookeroo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yookeroo)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2013, 10:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-s3-open-spoilers/654362/206 "2013-04-16T22:52:06Z")
> [@Acsenray](#): > > So let’s see: > So let’s tally At the end of Book 5: > > Daenerys - Alive and somewhere in the Dothraki Sea but widely believed dead > Jorah - Alive in Mereen > **Robb - KILLED at the Twins** > Arya - Alive in Braavos > Sansa - Alive in transit from the Eyrie > **Catelyn Stark - KILLED at the Twins but raised as undead by Beric Dondarrion** > Brienne of Tarth - Believed to be alive, searching for Sansa > Brandon Stark - Alive and with the Last Greenseer > Osha - Unknown, but last was alive and with Rickon Stark > Jaime Lannister - One-handed but alive and believed to be with Brienne > Cersei Lannister - Alive, but found guilty of fornication and essentially powerless > Tyrion Lannister - Alive in Mereen > **Shae - KILLED at King’s Landing** > Jon Snow - Stabbed repeatedly and _possibly dead_ > **Ygritte - KILLED at Castle Black** > Petyr Baelish (“Littlefinger”) - Alive, in transit from the Eyrie > Varys - Alive in Kings Landing > **Sandor Clegane (“the Hound”) - KILLED at the Crossroads** > Bronn - Alive in Stokeworth So **Ellis Dee** seems to be mostly right. The “don’t get too attached to a character” idea is pretty overstated by the readers. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2013, 10:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-s3-open-spoilers/654362/207 "2013-04-16T22:58:20Z")
> [@Yookeroo](#): > > So **Ellis Dee** seems to be mostly right. The “don’t get too attached to a character” idea is pretty overstated by the readers. There are still two books to go. I expect that list to get a lot shorter. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2013, 10:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-s3-open-spoilers/654362/208 "2013-04-16T22:58:23Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > Heh. Or sitting on his dad’s lap. The exchanged glances, raised eyebrows, jockeying for advantage and silent physical comedy of that scene were just _great_. > > Verrrrrrrrrrrrrrrry interesting. Robb’s expression when, or if, he realizes his beloved wife was a turncoat all along is going to be something to see. > > I love Brienne - one of my favorite characters. This actress still doesn’t really fit my mental image of her, but she’s doing pretty well. I loved how she was offhandedly but relentlessly forcing Jaime down, near the end of their duel on the bridge in last week’s episode. > > Don’t remember any reference in the books to Tarth being the sole Westerosi source of sapphires, though. Is that so? > > Can’t wait to see the arrogant slavers of Astapor get their comeuppance. Jamie tells the same lie in the books. Tarth is called the sapphire isles because it’s waters are so blue, not because they have sapphires. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2013, 11:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-s3-open-spoilers/654362/209 "2013-04-16T23:06:10Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > I love Brienne - one of my favorite characters. This actress still doesn’t really fit my mental image of her, but she’s doing pretty well. The descriptions of Brienne and Tyrion in the books emphasize that they are _ugly_. Neither actor could be fairly described as both. In fact, Dinklage is reasonably handsome. ---
**Author:** ![SecretaryofEvil](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e95f7d/32.png) [@SecretaryofEvil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SecretaryofEvil)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2013, 11:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-s3-open-spoilers/654362/210 "2013-04-16T23:12:35Z")
> [@Yookeroo](#): > > So **Ellis Dee** seems to be mostly right. The “don’t get too attached to a character” idea is pretty overstated by the readers. It seems like Ned and Drogo from the first season should count too. And Tywin should definitely be included as a major character. I guess I wouldn’t consider Jeor Mormont a main character, but he’s not insignificant and he goes down this season too. In Ellis Dee’s defense, he’s right that not too many major characters die in the second season. It’s not that his assessment was wrong based on the show so far, he’s just underestimating where the story goes in later books. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2013, 11:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-s3-open-spoilers/654362/211 "2013-04-16T23:21:40Z")
> [@Yookeroo](#): > > So **Ellis Dee** seems to be mostly right. The “don’t get too attached to a character” idea is pretty overstated by the readers. And, I would add, how many do you want? Compared to most fiction, just killing off Ned, Drogo, Robb, Ygritte, Shae, and Tywin is significant. ---
**Author:** ![ISiddiqui](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/97f17d/32.png) [@ISiddiqui](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ISiddiqui)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2013, 5:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-s3-open-spoilers/654362/212 "2013-04-17T05:19:44Z")
Even then, look at the list, that’s 1/4th of the named characters considered “untouchable” that get killed by Book 5. I’m thinking as things come to a climax a lot more will die… because, for one, I can’t really see an ending where Dany and the Lannisters survive together. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2013, 1:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-s3-open-spoilers/654362/213 "2013-04-17T13:33:17Z")
One thing I’ve always wondered: Why is it Daenerys and not Dan **aerys**? Considering that the name is probably derived from Aerys, a name shared by many of her relatives. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2013, 1:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-s3-open-spoilers/654362/214 "2013-04-17T13:46:05Z")
> [@Acsenray](#): > > One thing I’ve always wondered: Why is it Daenerys and not Dan **aerys**? Considering that the name is probably derived from Aerys, a name shared by many of her relatives. Either a variant spelling, or some Westerosi linguistic quirk when adapting a male name into a female name, I suppose (like Edward -\> Edwina). ---
**Author:** ![Cowboy8467](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b5e925/32.png) [@Cowboy8467](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cowboy8467)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2013, 3:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-s3-open-spoilers/654362/215 "2013-04-17T15:16:54Z")
> [@SecretaryofEvil](#): > > Look upon my mighty google skills and despair! > > Ellis Dee rolls his (her?) eyes at our nerd gloating, because GOT is predictable. > [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=15130095&postcount=39](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=15130095&postcount=39) > > Ellis Dee makes a list of characters that “are going to live because they are main characters and just like any other story, you don’t kill off the main characters.” > [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=15133984&postcount=141](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=15133984&postcount=141) > > 🙂 Thanks for that! I guess I did slightly overestimate how many characters were killed off but it’s still more than **Ellis Dee** had been counting on. ---
**Author:** ![JSexton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/96bed5/32.png) [@JSexton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JSexton)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2013, 3:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-s3-open-spoilers/654362/216 "2013-04-17T15:20:21Z")
> [@Reverse](#): > > The Hound is still about, raping and pillaging the countryside. > > Sandor Clegane, on the other hand, is at rest. Brienne killed the man in the Hound mask. Sandor Clegane is certainly at peace. For now. ---
**Author:** ![madmonk28](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madmonk28/32/20811_2.png) [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2013, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-s3-open-spoilers/654362/217 "2013-04-17T15:34:54Z")
I thought the Hound was dead for sure. Am I misremembering that? ---
**Author:** ![JSexton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/96bed5/32.png) [@JSexton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JSexton)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2013, 3:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-s3-open-spoilers/654362/218 "2013-04-17T15:48:34Z")
> [@madmonk28](#): > > I thought the Hound was dead for sure. Am I misremembering that? The monk tells us that the Hound died. However, at the monastery, there is a new silent monk who hides his face, is hugely tall and strong, and gets a long well with an unruly large black horse that no one else can ride. It’s not hard to deduce that Sandor Clegane lives, though he is no longer the man that the Hound once was, and the monk was speaking metaphorically. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2013, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-s3-open-spoilers/654362/219 "2013-04-17T15:53:22Z")
> [@JSexton](#): > > The monk tells us that the Hound died. However, at the monastery, there is a new silent monk who hides his face, is hugely tall and strong, and gets a long well with an unruly large black horse that no one else can ride. > > It’s not hard to deduce that Sandor Clegane lives, though he is no longer the man that the Hound once was, and the monk was speaking metaphorically. When Brienne asks the monk about the Hound he says he is dead. When Brienne asks the monk about Sandor Clegane he says he is at peace. The big silent monk who hides his face also has a noticeable limp, which would match the severe leg injury Sandor had last time we saw him. ---
**Author:** ![Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/qadgop_the_mercotan/32/83_2.png) [@Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qadgop_the_Mercotan)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2013, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-s3-open-spoilers/654362/220 "2013-04-17T16:13:51Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > (like Edward -\> Edwina). Edwin -\> Edwina. Edward -\> Edwardina. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-s3-open-spoilers/654362.md?page=10) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-s3-open-spoilers/654362.md?page=12)