# Game of Thrones S3 - open spoilers **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [March 30, 2013, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-s3-open-spoilers/654362 "2013-03-30T16:23:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 16
**Author:** ![ISiddiqui](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/97f17d/32.png) [@ISiddiqui](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ISiddiqui)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2013, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-s3-open-spoilers/654362/301 "2013-04-22T19:39:03Z")
And its Barristan Selmy who was Kingsguard at the time, who tells Dany that Jorah was feeding info to Robert’s council - when he gets unmasked as Selmy (rather than Arstan Whitebeard). ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2013, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-s3-open-spoilers/654362/302 "2013-04-22T19:42:00Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > Anyone else think Tyrions reluctance to bone Sansa is gonna seem weird on the show since she is older than the books and very obviously not a “child”? GRRM described Tyrion’s throbbing erection. His reluctance didn’t have anything to do with her being a child. Plus, Sophie Turner is 17 I think. Peter Dinklage is like 42. That’s enough of a difference to give me the creeps anyway. ---
**Author:** ![Cowboy8467](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b5e925/32.png) [@Cowboy8467](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cowboy8467)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2013, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-s3-open-spoilers/654362/303 "2013-04-22T19:52:21Z")
> [@AuntiePam](#): > > When did Jorah betray Dany? In S2 the mask-wearing woman in Qarth says something to Jorah about a “first” betrayal. Was it in S1? Was he the one who alerted Robert that Dany was married and pregnant and gathering a Dothraki army? > > I’m remembering Dany dismissing Jorah at some point in the books, but I don’t remember why she did it. I’m re-reading Storm of Swords and I just finished the part. It happened around pg. 790 on the paperback version. It’s when they are camped outside of Mereen and Mero of Braavos attempts to assassinate Dany before whitebeard comes to her rescue. Back at camp Jorah is suspicious of how a squire can defeat Mero with a staff which is when he reveals himself as Selmy. It’s also at that time that he reveals Jorah has been feeding information to the small council about her movements all along, and she dismisses them both. I believe after that they are sent into the sewers of Mereen. Edit: Ninja’ed! Oh well. ---
**Author:** ![HazelNutCoffee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ac91a4/32.png) [@HazelNutCoffee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HazelNutCoffee)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2013, 1:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-s3-open-spoilers/654362/304 "2013-04-23T01:12:51Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > In the books it was Varys who warned the Lannisters about the Tyrell plot to marry Sansa wasn’t it? It was actually Littlefinger. Remember in the books Sansa confides in Ser Dontos about the Tyrell plan. He is Littlefinger’s spy, so of course he told Littlefinger and Littlefinger told Tywin. ---
**Author:** ![clairobscur](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/839c29/32.png) [@clairobscur](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/clairobscur)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2013, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-s3-open-spoilers/654362/305 "2013-04-25T17:44:54Z")
> [@Snarky\_Kong](#): > > GRRM described Tyrion’s throbbing erection. His reluctance didn’t have anything to do with her being a child. > > Plus, Sophie Turner is 17 I think. Peter Dinklage is like 42. That’s enough of a difference to give me the creeps anyway. When I think of it, in the show, Shae gives Tyrion hell simply for mentionning that Sansa is pretty. When she’ll learn that he’s going to _marry_ her… ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2013, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-s3-open-spoilers/654362/306 "2013-04-25T17:51:44Z")
> [@clairobscur](#): > > When I think of it, in the show, Shae gives Tyrion hell simply for mentionning that Sansa is pretty. When she’ll learn that he’s going to _marry_ her… … She might turn state’s evidence! ---
**Author:** ![TBG](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c89c15/32.png) [@TBG](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TBG)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2013, 11:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-s3-open-spoilers/654362/307 "2013-04-25T23:49:00Z")
> [@Athena](#): > > He didn’t, in the book. That was TV-only. > > So the scene where Dany gets her army was one I’ve been looking forward to a LONG time - it’s one of my favorite scenes in the books - and it sort of disappointed. Not horribly so, it still was cool, but I really wanted to see the whole sacking of Astapor and freeing of the slaves played out more. > > Plus, I kind of figured they’d have her linger in Astapor just a bit longer, but WTH are they going to do with her for the next few seasons? They’re going to have to make up something not-in-the-book, because I don’t see the sacking of Mereen and her long, boring time there taking up 3+ seasons worth of shows, especially not without Strong Belwas. I liked it just for the “o shit u bitch speak valyrian? we fucked” moment. ---
**Author:** ![HazelNutCoffee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ac91a4/32.png) [@HazelNutCoffee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HazelNutCoffee)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2013, 12:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-s3-open-spoilers/654362/308 "2013-04-26T00:19:26Z")
I suppose that might make Shae’s betrayal plausible on the show - that she would be genuinely hurt by Tyrion’s marriage. In the book she was obviously a floozy but she’s a much more decent person on the show, and I’ve been curious as to how they would make her betrayal seem in character. ---
**Author:** ![Taomist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@Taomist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Taomist)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2013, 12:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-s3-open-spoilers/654362/309 "2013-04-26T00:33:22Z")
> [@JSexton](#): > > And pissing and shitting, for some reason. I think the phrase “shook the last drops off” alone appears four or five times in Dance. No one cares, George. Don’t forget ‘fearsomely strong cider’, mentioned at least 4 times in the first chapter alone, IIRC. :dubious: I almost didn’t continue reading, because it really felt like he’d written scenes with the intention of coming back and getting more creative with what must have been placeholder phrases; it was just that awful. ---
**Author:** ![drastic\_quench](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e36b37/32.png) [@drastic\_quench](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drastic_quench)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2013, 12:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-s3-open-spoilers/654362/310 "2013-04-26T00:55:48Z")
> [@Taomist](#): > > Don’t forget ‘fearsomely strong cider’, mentioned at least 4 times in the first chapter alone, IIRC. :dubious: I almost didn’t continue reading, because it really felt like he’d written scenes with the intention of coming back and getting more creative with what must have been placeholder phrases; it was just that awful. Yeah, motherfucker needs an editor. ---
**Author:** ![Taomist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@Taomist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Taomist)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2013, 1:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-s3-open-spoilers/654362/311 "2013-04-26T01:46:51Z")
> [@drastic\_quench](#): > > Yeah, motherfucker needs an editor. I’d meant to edit, but missed the window, but yeah…Dance with Dragons really seemed like it wasn’t ever edited. At all. I was quite surprised. ---
**Author:** ![madmonk28](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madmonk28/32/20811_2.png) [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2013, 2:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-s3-open-spoilers/654362/312 "2013-04-26T02:49:17Z")
Editing Martin would be a thankless job: I cut out half the incest, 25% of the descriptions of armor, 30% of the descriptions of food, and all the boring parts, your book is now a magazine insert. ---
**Author:** ![sohvan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/96bed5/32.png) [@sohvan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sohvan)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2013, 7:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-s3-open-spoilers/654362/313 "2013-04-26T07:09:35Z")
> [@drastic\_quench](#): > > Yeah, motherfucker needs an editor. I remember his editor saying that there was originally more content in Dance with Dragons, but she convinced George to transfer some major events to Winds of Winter because there was already too much happening in Dance. The siege of Winterfell and the Battle of Slavers Bay were originally supposed to be resolved in Dance. Maybe the editor is actually part of the problem. Admittedly it could be that Martin just didn’t have those things finished, and including them would have delayed the book by another year. The interview is [here](http://sf-fantasy.suvudu.com/2011/07/dance-interview-with-george-r-r-martin-editor-anne-groell.html) > [@](#): > > And so much great stuff had happened already that no one, I felt, could be unsatisfied by the developments. So he voluntarily pulled one big sequence out of the book. I lobbied for another…and it came out, too ---
**Author:** ![Reverse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e79b87/32.png) [@Reverse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Reverse)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2013, 10:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-s3-open-spoilers/654362/314 "2013-04-26T10:08:58Z")
The whole problem with Feast and Dance is that very little awesome shit happens, it’s all just set-up for future events, and she thought it would be for the best to remove the parts where shit actually happens? Worst editor ever. ---
**Author:** ![drastic\_quench](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e36b37/32.png) [@drastic\_quench](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drastic_quench)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2013, 11:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-s3-open-spoilers/654362/315 "2013-04-26T11:04:06Z")
Plus, his books need a line-by-line editor – even if only for the annoying repeated phrases. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2013, 12:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-s3-open-spoilers/654362/316 "2013-04-27T00:55:26Z")
Was that sorcerer-in-a-box sequence new material? I don’t recall it from the books. ---
**Author:** ![HazelNutCoffee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ac91a4/32.png) [@HazelNutCoffee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HazelNutCoffee)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2013, 1:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-s3-open-spoilers/654362/317 "2013-04-27T01:07:40Z")
Definitely not in the books. They just made it up for the series. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2013, 1:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-s3-open-spoilers/654362/318 "2013-04-27T01:10:43Z")
The story was in the books though. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2013, 3:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-s3-open-spoilers/654362/319 "2013-04-27T03:50:15Z")
So far as I recall, though, Varys never saw the sorcerer again. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2013, 3:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-s3-open-spoilers/654362/320 "2013-04-27T03:53:43Z")
> [@madmonk28](#): > > Editing Martin would be a thankless job: I cut out half the incest, 25% of the descriptions of armor, 30% of the descriptions of food, and all the boring parts, your book is now a magazine insert. I think all this stuff is great. But I wish he would find a place to stop introducing new characters. Like I don’t think we really needed the Young Griff and Dornish Prince plots. And th number of slave cities in Daenerys’s story could have been significantly reduced. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-s3-open-spoilers/654362.md?page=15) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-s3-open-spoilers/654362.md?page=17)