# Game of Thrones S3 - open spoilers **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [March 30, 2013, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-s3-open-spoilers/654362 "2013-03-30T16:23:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 24
**Author:** ![clairobscur](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/839c29/32.png) [@clairobscur](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/clairobscur)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2013, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-s3-open-spoilers/654362/461 "2013-05-08T17:45:33Z")
> [@Acsenray](#): > > I don’t know why you would think that. There are plenty of people who don’t consider murder of fellow nobles to be routine. Sure. But I tented to mostly give a pass to politically motivated murders, given all the awful crimes depicted (torturing random farmers, flaying people, etc…), it came to sound like small potatoes. It’s all relative. ---
**Author:** ![gonzoron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a6a055/32.png) [@gonzoron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzoron)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2013, 5:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-s3-open-spoilers/654362/462 "2013-05-08T17:47:57Z")
> [@Unauthorized\_Cinnamon](#): > > And possibly “Rains of Castamere” playing over the credits once again. Bet on it. That’s the title of Episode 9 ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2013, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-s3-open-spoilers/654362/463 "2013-05-08T17:51:16Z")
> [@Unauthorized\_Cinnamon](#): > > And possibly “Rains of Castamere” playing over the credits once again. What worries me is that the show doesn’t seem to have set up the song “Rains of Castamere” solidly enough. So it’s not going to be the same kind of “oh, shit” moment for Catelyn when the song starts up. Of course, there will be an “oh, shit” moment, but the song itself won’t be as important. ---
**Author:** ![clairobscur](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/839c29/32.png) [@clairobscur](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/clairobscur)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2013, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-s3-open-spoilers/654362/464 "2013-05-08T17:55:27Z")
> [@gonzoron](#): > > Yes, we know the content he conveyed, but how the heck did he do so (without revealing his relationship with Shae to Sansa)? How did Shae contain her anger in front of Sansa? How did Sansa react to his face? Did she scream “No, that’s not true, that’s impossible!” like Luke Skywalker (or simply “NOOOOOOOO!” like Darth Vader)? Or did she retreat into her hollow-faced “yes, of course, my lord” broken-ness? > > These are the type of golden character moments the show has been so great with. I felt deprived of them. > . I fully agree. This scene had a great potential for the actors. ---
**Author:** ![clairobscur](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/839c29/32.png) [@clairobscur](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/clairobscur)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2013, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-s3-open-spoilers/654362/465 "2013-05-08T17:59:22Z")
> [@Frylock](#): > > From the other thread: > > _So Goddamn Adorable!_ Also, people have begun to like Ygritte a lot. Will she survive this season? ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2013, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-s3-open-spoilers/654362/466 "2013-05-08T18:31:08Z")
Nope. ---
**Author:** ![GreasyJack](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/df705f/32.png) [@GreasyJack](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GreasyJack)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2013, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-s3-open-spoilers/654362/467 "2013-05-08T18:37:38Z")
> [@Sampiro](#): > > I’ve always assumed we’ll eventually learn Don/Dick bedded his stepmother. Jeez, so many characters to keep track of! ---
**Author:** ![madmonk28](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madmonk28/32/20811_2.png) [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2013, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-s3-open-spoilers/654362/468 "2013-05-08T18:40:57Z")
I believe they are chopping this book into two seasons, so isn’t it possible that Ygritte will make it to next season? It seems like they’d have to cover a lot of ground to get to the red wedding and the battle at the wall in the episodes they have left. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2013, 6:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-s3-open-spoilers/654362/469 "2013-05-08T18:56:21Z")
But if the attack on castle black doesn’t happen this season what the hell are jon and the wildlings going to be doing for four more episodes? I think the Wall storyline is going to end with a shot of Manse’s massive army preparing to attack after the battle in castle black. ---
**Author:** ![AuntiePam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f19dbf/32.png) [@AuntiePam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AuntiePam)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2013, 7:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-s3-open-spoilers/654362/470 "2013-05-08T19:23:57Z")
Didn’t an awful lot of big stuff happen in book #3? If it’s all going to be covered this season, we have a lot to look forward to. The Red Wedding Joffrey’s death Littlefinger makes Lisa Arryn fly Dany sacks Yunkai Tyrion kills Tywin and Shae What else? ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2013, 7:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-s3-open-spoilers/654362/471 "2013-05-08T19:31:20Z")
Book three is being split into two seasons though. ---
**Author:** ![Mogle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mogle/32/12021_2.png) [@Mogle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mogle)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2013, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-s3-open-spoilers/654362/472 "2013-05-08T19:36:48Z")
Judging by episode titles we’ll get the Red Wedding in episode 9 and the sacking of Yunkai in the last one(“Mhysa”). ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2013, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-s3-open-spoilers/654362/473 "2013-05-08T19:37:20Z")
There are two atta ks on the wall. Ygritte dies during the first one. I’d guess episode 10 this season. ---
**Author:** ![clairobscur](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/839c29/32.png) [@clairobscur](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/clairobscur)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2013, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-s3-open-spoilers/654362/474 "2013-05-08T19:38:56Z")
> [@AuntiePam](#): > > Didn’t an awful lot of big stuff happen in book #3? If it’s all going to be covered this season, we have a lot to look forward to. > > The Red Wedding > Joffrey’s death > Littlefinger makes Lisa Arryn fly > Dany sacks Yunkai > Tyrion kills Tywin and Shae > > What else? I understand that Joffrey’s death won’t be included (hence Tywin and Shae won’t die, either). I suspect the sack of Yunkai will happen in episode 8 (siege, betrayals, mercenaries, etc… being covered in episode 7). The Red wedding will be covered in episode 9, so I would guess that episode 10 major element will be Castle Black. Still wondering about Ygritte. When does she die exactly in the books? ---
**Author:** ![Unauthorized\_Cinnamon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/bc8723/32.png) [@Unauthorized\_Cinnamon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Unauthorized_Cinnamon)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2013, 7:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-s3-open-spoilers/654362/475 "2013-05-08T19:44:54Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > But if the attack on castle black doesn’t happen this season what the hell are jon and the wildlings going to be doing for four more episodes? I think the Wall storyline is going to end with a shot of Manse’s massive army preparing to attack after the battle in castle black. I agree. They’re over the Wall now. Presumably over the next few episodes, Jon & Ygritte will get more lovey-dovey (the better to twist the eventual knife - er, arrow), the party will discover that tower, and they’ll encounter a passerby whom they have to kill to protect their secrecy. Meanwhile, Mance’s line is approaching the Wall. My guess is the last we’ll see of the plot this season is Jon abandoning Ygritte and riding hell-bent for the Wall, while Mance’s huge force creeps up on the unsuspecting remains of the Night’s Watch. It looks like next week Jaime will have his major change of heart and rescue Brienne (“The Bear and the Maiden Fair”), so they might make it to King’s Landing before season’s end. “Second Sons” will probably bring Tyrion’s wedding. I guess Joff’s wedding will be next season. Then of course we’ll get the Red Wedding, and from the title of the last ep (“Mhysa”), I’m guessing they’ll conclude with Dany kicking slaver ass and liberating Yunkai (which will most likely get elided with Mereen for the show). So next season we’d get Joff’s wedding/death, Tyrion’s trial, Sansa absconding, deaths of Tywin and Shae (or will they change that?), Dany trying to rule, and the fallout from the Red Wedding. Plus Arya and the Hound, Bran continuing north (yawn), and the actual battle at the Wall. ---
**Author:** ![bouv](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bc8723/32.png) [@bouv](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bouv)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2013, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-s3-open-spoilers/654362/476 "2013-05-08T19:45:32Z")
> [@AuntiePam](#): > > Didn’t an awful lot of big stuff happen in book #3? If it’s all going to be covered this season, we have a lot to look forward to. > > The Red Wedding > Joffrey’s death > Littlefinger makes Lisa Arryn fly > Dany sacks Yunkai > Tyrion kills Tywin and Shae > > What else? Not four posts above you it was said that book 3 is split into two seasons. We’ll get The Red Wedding, and probably the first, smaller, attack on Castle Black when Ygritte dies\*, and the Yunkai sack, but that’s it. \*Which reminds me, how do the rest of the Wildings get to Castle Black? In the show, they made it look like only Jon, Ygritte, Tormund, and Wargy-Joe (forget his name,) made it over the wall…weren’t there a lot more of them in the book? I mean…kind of hard to attack a castle with four people (which will be three once Jon leaves.) ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2013, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-s3-open-spoilers/654362/477 "2013-05-08T20:00:19Z")
They were the first ones up, i believe there were more groups. Not that any of that was shown on the show. ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2013, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-s3-open-spoilers/654362/478 "2013-05-08T20:01:59Z")
> [@bouv](#): > > Not four posts above you it was said that book 3 is split into two seasons. > > We’ll get The Red Wedding, and probably the first, smaller, attack on Castle Black when Ygritte dies\*, and the Yunkai sack, but that’s it. > \*Which reminds me, how do the rest of the Wildings get to Castle Black? In the show, they made it look like only Jon, Ygritte, Tormund, and Wargy-Joe (forget his name,) made it over the wall…weren’t there a lot more of them in the book? > > I mean…kind of hard to attack a castle with four people (which will be three once Jon leaves.) Tormund is pulling up more people in the last scene. In the book they throw down ladders for the rest to climb up (Jon didn’t climb in the book). That’s also a possibility. I agree with your predictions for the rest of this season. ---
**Author:** ![clairobscur](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/839c29/32.png) [@clairobscur](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/clairobscur)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2013, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-s3-open-spoilers/654362/479 "2013-05-08T20:02:25Z")
> [@Unauthorized\_Cinnamon](#): > > Plus Arya and the Hound, Bran continuing north (yawn), and the actual battle at the Wall. Since the red wedding will take place, we’ll see Arya and the Hound this season. And Bran’s travel might be covered in “Second sons” (Since it’s plural, I’m assuming that the first “second son” is Tyrion, and the second one Bran. The only other possible second son would be Tommen, but I doubt they’ll kill Joffrey prematurely) ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2013, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-s3-open-spoilers/654362/480 "2013-05-08T20:08:41Z")
The second sons are also a mecenary group that are run by, I believe, Brown Ben Plumm. They pledge to fight for Dany before Yunkai I believe. Daario next episode? I expect a lot of fan rage at his entrance. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-s3-open-spoilers/654362.md?page=23) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-s3-open-spoilers/654362.md?page=25)