# Game of Thrones S3 - open spoilers **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [March 30, 2013, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-s3-open-spoilers/654362 "2013-03-30T16:23:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 31
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2013, 9:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-s3-open-spoilers/654362/601 "2013-05-21T09:31:59Z")
> [@Acsenray](#): > > I think the implication is that they built the new castle at the same location as the old castle. … that burned down, fell over, then sank into the swamp. But the third one stayed up ! ---
**Author:** ![gonzoron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a6a055/32.png) [@gonzoron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzoron)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2013, 2:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-s3-open-spoilers/654362/602 "2013-05-21T14:10:23Z")
I’d just like to say that I’ve been lamenting the lack of “White Walker touches sword and shatters it” since the first episode. Glad they pulled that moment out of mothballs finally. Not quite how I pictured it, but still way cool. ---
**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2013, 2:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-s3-open-spoilers/654362/603 "2013-05-21T14:18:11Z")
> [@AuntiePam](#): > > …Weiss and Benioff are being nicer to Tyrion, and to Sansa. First, they let Tyrion keep his nose. Then at the wedding, Sansa kneels for him. In the book, he had to climb on the back of his fool to drape the cloak – she refused to bend… Well it’s the least she can do since TV-Tyrion got there in time to stop Joffrey from stripping her naked in front of his court. ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2013, 2:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-s3-open-spoilers/654362/604 "2013-05-21T14:21:51Z")
The wedding scene both in the book and in the miniseries reminded me a bit of Claudius’s first wedding in I CLAUDIUS (especially the height difference and the laughter). ---
**Author:** ![Reverse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e79b87/32.png) [@Reverse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Reverse)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2013, 2:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-s3-open-spoilers/654362/605 "2013-05-21T14:26:07Z")
Game of Thrones is not a miniseries. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2013, 3:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-s3-open-spoilers/654362/606 "2013-05-21T15:47:33Z")
I think both Book-Shae and Show-Shae love Tyrion, but it’s not a head-over-heels love, and both women still have that healthy, practical sense of self-preservation that makes for a longer life. When Tyrion is imprisoned and suspected of murdering the King, Book-Shae’s love for Tyrion isn’t so strong that she’s willing to share his fate. And I agree that Tyrion really, _really_ needs to kill her on the show. It’s important that his character does some terrible things to balance out the good that he does; few in Martin’s world are all good or all bad. Any other thoughts on my question about the bedding of a bride and groom in a Westerosi wedding? ---
**Author:** ![clairobscur](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/839c29/32.png) [@clairobscur](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/clairobscur)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2013, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-s3-open-spoilers/654362/607 "2013-05-21T16:23:29Z")
> [@gonzoron](#): > > I’d just like to say that I’ve been lamenting the lack of “White Walker touches sword and shatters it” since the first episode. Glad they pulled that moment out of mothballs finally. Not quite how I pictured it, but still way cool. On the other hand, I wasn’t satisfied with the white walker turning into ice and shattering. Is that the way the die in the book? I can’t remember. ---
**Author:** ![Sterling\_Archer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f1d935/32.png) [@Sterling\_Archer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sterling_Archer)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2013, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-s3-open-spoilers/654362/608 "2013-05-21T18:23:24Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > Any other thoughts on my question about the bedding of a bride and groom in a Westerosi wedding? What gives you the idea that the guests stand around and watch the coupling after putting the bride and groom in bed? That would be creepy to the extreme! The men carry the bride upstairs, strip off her clothes, while the women do the same with the groom, and then they tumble them into bed together. That’s creepy enough as is, isn’t it? ---
**Author:** ![Sterling\_Archer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f1d935/32.png) [@Sterling\_Archer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sterling_Archer)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2013, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-s3-open-spoilers/654362/609 "2013-05-21T18:24:43Z")
> [@clairobscur](#): > > On the other hand, I wasn’t satisfied with the white walker turning into ice and shattering. Is that the way the die in the book? I can’t remember. In the book, they liquefy. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2013, 7:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-s3-open-spoilers/654362/610 "2013-05-21T19:28:27Z")
> [@clairobscur](#): > > Those scenes don’t appear in the books, where we see Theon again only after he has been thoroughly tortured into submission. How these tortures went on exactly isn’t detailled, so the two women don’t appear. Right, and I really don’t like the torture-porn addition, esp as it’s not in the source material. Bad HBO! ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2013, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-s3-open-spoilers/654362/611 "2013-05-21T20:19:06Z")
> [@Sterling\_Archer](#): > > What gives you the idea that the guests stand around and watch the coupling after putting the bride and groom in bed? That would be creepy to the extreme! The men carry the bride upstairs, strip off her clothes, while the women do the same with the groom, and then they tumble them into bed together. That’s creepy enough as is, isn’t it? Well, sure. But **AuntiePam** and I both think that maybe the guests stay in the room for the actual intercourse. ---
**Author:** ![AuntiePam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f19dbf/32.png) [@AuntiePam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AuntiePam)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2013, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-s3-open-spoilers/654362/612 "2013-05-21T20:24:45Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > Well, sure. But **AuntiePam** and I both think that maybe the guests stay in the room for the actual intercourse. Looks like we’re wrong. The GoT Wiki says bedding is: > [@](#): > > a custom in Westeros that occurs at a wedding after the feast has taken place. The custom consists mainly of the newlyweds being carried to bed to consummate their marriage. The bride is carried by the men, who are charged with undressing her on the way and generally tell rude jokes of what awaits her between the sheets. The women do the same to the husband. Only after being bundled naked in bed are the two newlyweds left alone; at which point the guests wait outside the bridal chamber shouting ribald suggestions through the door. ---
**Author:** ![Fair\_Rarity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fair_rarity/32/153_2.png) [@Fair\_Rarity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fair_Rarity)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2013, 1:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-s3-open-spoilers/654362/613 "2013-05-22T01:35:37Z")
> [@Bridget\_Burke](#): > > Because you’ll be sitting in front of the TV, not realizing there’s no show? They’re skipping a week because of the Memorial Day holiday… Yeah, I posted that before I knew we were having a week off. Gonna be a long extra week. I think it’s good that it’s being delayed for the Unsullied and people who wouldn’t be able to watch it live. Why have your most gut-wrenching plot airing on a night where a significant portion of people aren’t going to be watching it live? Personally, I need my fix. I’m already lamenting how far away next spring is. It’s my own Dream of Spring. I did reread the chapter yesterday and lost it, although not as much as I did the first time. I think I kind of shut it down, trying to tell myself that I’m going to lose it all over again (probably even harder) when it does air. I know the producers said that this is the one thing they most wanted to film, so on one hand, I’m heartened that they are not just going downplay it. I’ve loved the adaptation too, so that’s another point in their favor. However, it’s just important that I worry that it might not just be able to be done right. Or their vision is different somehow. ---
**Author:** ![drastic\_quench](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e36b37/32.png) [@drastic\_quench](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drastic_quench)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2013, 2:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-s3-open-spoilers/654362/614 "2013-05-22T02:26:32Z")
When I read Robb’s death, I had to go back and reread the passage. I thought, _no, that can’t be right._ ---
**Author:** ![HazelNutCoffee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ac91a4/32.png) [@HazelNutCoffee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HazelNutCoffee)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2013, 2:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-s3-open-spoilers/654362/615 "2013-05-22T02:42:15Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > I think both Book-Shae and Show-Shae love Tyrion, but it’s not a head-over-heels love, and both women still have that healthy, practical sense of self-preservation that makes for a longer life. When Tyrion is imprisoned and suspected of murdering the King, Book-Shae’s love for Tyrion isn’t so strong that she’s willing to share his fate. > > And I agree that Tyrion really, _really_ needs to kill her on the show. It’s important that his character does some terrible things to balance out the good that he does; few in Martin’s world are all good or all bad. > > Any other thoughts on my question about the bedding of a bride and groom in a Westerosi wedding? Book Shae always struck me as extremely shallow and immature. I think she liked Tyrion well enough, seeing as how he treated her like a princess. But she didn’t give a shit when he married Sansa, which to me shows that her feelings for him were only skin deep. It didn’t surprise me at all when she betrayed him. She seemed to positively revel in her testimony against him (that whole giant of Lannister thing was completely unnecessary and just cruel). TV Shae has a lot of depth to her that Book Shae lacked, which is going to make her betrayal a lot more interesting. ---
**Author:** ![AK84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85e7bf/32.png) [@AK84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AK84)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2013, 4:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-s3-open-spoilers/654362/616 "2013-05-22T04:47:38Z")
The unsullied have caught on to the theory that Gendry might be Cercei and Robert’s true born son. I do wonder what are they going to do with Gendry. Book Gendry is knighted. Show Gendry is a sex/blood slave in Dragonstone. Though GRRM has been mum on Gendry’s final fate. As an aside, if Jon Snow is really Lyanna and Rhaegar’s son and the kidnapping was more of an elopement, how is the show going to handle it. In the Books you get the impression very soon that Lyanna and Rhaegar did not act as the official line had it and such a revelation will not be surprising. In the show OTH you have no indication other that Jon is a bastard of Ned ( you could be forgiven for thinking his name was “Ned Stark’s Bastard”) and that Lyanna was kidnapped and raped. Such a revelation will be a bolt from the blue. ---
**Author:** ![MaxTheVool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@MaxTheVool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MaxTheVool)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2013, 5:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-s3-open-spoilers/654362/617 "2013-05-22T05:41:28Z")
> [@AK84](#): > > that Lyanna was kidnapped and raped. Such a revelation will be a bolt from the blue. Not to mention that we have heard Lyanna mentioned zero times since season 1, and Rhaegar mentioned maybe two. ---
**Author:** ![gonzoron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a6a055/32.png) [@gonzoron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzoron)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2013, 1:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-s3-open-spoilers/654362/618 "2013-05-22T13:18:09Z")
> [@AK84](#): > > As an aside, if Jon Snow is really Lyanna and Rhaegar’s son and the kidnapping was more of an elopement, how is the show going to handle it. In the Books you get the impression very soon that Lyanna and Rhaegar did not act as the official line had it and such a revelation will not be surprising. In the show OTH you have no indication other that Jon is a bastard of Ned ( you could be forgiven for thinking his name was “Ned Stark’s Bastard”) and that Lyanna was kidnapped and raped. Such a revelation will be a bolt from the blue. Nah, I don’t think it’s that cut and dried on the show. the “unsullied” over on TWOP have cottoned on to the idea at least. (Of course, it’s possible whoever brought it up was tainted by book knowledge or book-based theories, but others have latched onto it based purely on clues in the show. To be fair, they’ve also floated a lot of wacky theories that are totally wrong.) Just a few eps ago we had Barristan talking about how great a guy Rhaegar was. The clues are there, especially in S1, but in S2 and S3 as well.. Of course, I doubt it matters. I think it’s likely that the books will never explicitly reveal it, so the show doesn’t have to either. ---
**Author:** ![madmonk28](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madmonk28/32/20811_2.png) [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2013, 1:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-s3-open-spoilers/654362/619 "2013-05-22T13:34:23Z")
> [@AK84](#): > > The unsullied have caught on to the theory that Gendry might be Cercei and Robert’s true born son. I do wonder what are they going to do with Gendry. Book Gendry is knighted… Was he knighted? I thought he just kind of went away, but it’s been a while since I’ve read the books. BTW, I almost posted a huge spoiler in the no spoilers thread. I thought I was in this thread and typed out a post about the Red Wedding. “Hey, whatever happened to Madmonk28?” “Didn’t you hear? He posted a big spoiler in the GoT thread and was banned, then a posse tracked him down in real life and ripped him apart.” ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2013, 1:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-s3-open-spoilers/654362/620 "2013-05-22T13:37:27Z")
Beric knighted him i believe. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-s3-open-spoilers/654362.md?page=30) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-s3-open-spoilers/654362.md?page=32)