# Game of Thrones S3 - open spoilers **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [March 30, 2013, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-s3-open-spoilers/654362 "2013-03-30T16:23:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 40
**Author:** ![Unauthorized\_Cinnamon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/bc8723/32.png) [@Unauthorized\_Cinnamon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Unauthorized_Cinnamon)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2013, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-s3-open-spoilers/654362/781 "2013-06-04T16:23:19Z")
> [@HazelNutCoffee](#): > > Yes, it’s Beric and not Thoros who brings her back from the dead. > > I was disappointed with Grey Wind’s death scene (in the book he takes a few guys down with him). > > Also, we are never shown, even in the book, Cat being thrown into the river. We only know it happens because Tyrion mentions it in his POV chapter. Duurrrr. Clearly time to read the books again. Meanwhile, [Game of Thrones themed wedding ends in massive bloodshed](http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/international/game-of-thrones-themed-wedding-ends-in-massive-bloodshed-2013060470813). ---
**Author:** ![drastic\_quench](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e36b37/32.png) [@drastic\_quench](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drastic_quench)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2013, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-s3-open-spoilers/654362/782 "2013-06-04T18:27:12Z")
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**Author:** ![AClockworkMelon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aclockworkmelon/32/10803_2.png) [@AClockworkMelon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AClockworkMelon)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2013, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-s3-open-spoilers/654362/783 "2013-06-04T18:33:24Z")
> [@drastic\_quench](#): > > [Imgur: The magic of the Internet](http://i.imgur.com/yLpHiCI.jpg) Best thing ever. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2013, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-s3-open-spoilers/654362/784 "2013-06-04T20:07:59Z")
Okay so maybe the other thread wasn’t as agonized as expected over the Red Wedding. But maybe if they stay unspoiled for another year they will get the intense pleasure of having this expectation sundered: > [@Game of Thrones 3.09 "The Rains of Castamere" 6/2/13 No book spoilers](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-09-the-rains-of-castamere-6-2-13-no-book-spoilers/659972/293): > > Yes, I do acknowledge that they seem willing to kill anyone on the show, I find it oddly compelling that the **one character** that most people want to be killed (Joffrey), probably won’t be. > > Then again, maybe he’ll have a change of heart/conscious and realize that he’s been a scumbag and _then he will be killed…_ ---
**Author:** ![AK84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85e7bf/32.png) [@AK84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AK84)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2013, 12:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-s3-open-spoilers/654362/785 "2013-06-05T00:30:09Z")
> [@Acsenray](#): > > Okay so maybe the other thread wasn’t as agonized as expected over the Red Wedding. But maybe if they stay unspoiled for another year they will get the intense pleasure of having this expectation sundered: I am pretty sure that **Meatros** is not unsullied. I wonder if they will finally begin the Lyanna + Rhagaer=almost certainly not rape and possibly Jon Snow’s real parents teaser. The Reeds did tell Bran about the whole Tourny at Harrenahal business in the books. It would also give them a chance to have a cameo with Sean Bean, they did one with the actor who played Drogo last season. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2013, 12:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-s3-open-spoilers/654362/786 "2013-06-05T00:48:42Z")
> [@lisiate](#): > > Well I for one am a bit impressed (and somewhat disappointed in a ghoulish way) by the lack of Unsulllied in the other thread going over the deep end about the Red Wedding. I was sure the thread would be full of rage-quitters. Many of them more that they pretend they do. Perhaps simply by reading wiki or something, true. This was not a big surprise to that many. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2013, 1:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-s3-open-spoilers/654362/787 "2013-06-05T01:22:01Z")
> [@AK84](#): > > I wonder if they will finally begin the Lyanna + Rhagaer=almost certainly not rape and possibly Jon Snow’s real parents teaser. It’s not even teased that straightforwardly in the books (so far). How could they do it in the show? ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2013, 2:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-s3-open-spoilers/654362/788 "2013-06-05T02:08:30Z")
> [@Fair\_Rarity](#): > > …I didn’t hate Talisa as much as others did, and I had a hard time understanding why the tv writers switched things up, but it made sense to me finally today. If she had been Jeyne, no amount of “Her mother is giving her moon tea” dialog would keep tv viewers from speculating, just like many book readers have. It ends the issue by having her not be from a Lannister-following family and by dying. The pregnant thing was just to be cruel. One viewer’s cruelty is another viewer’s unbearably powerful dramatic twist. I wonder why Mr. Filch, er, Lord Frey “wasted” his most beautiful daughter on Edmure? Since he knew the Red Wedding was coming, the old cutthroat could have foisted off some slattern on him and still had a sweet young thing to marry off to a Lannister down the road. That said, I liked Frey’s eyebrow waggle at Robb when the bride’s veil was removed: “See what you’re missing, eh, kid?” ---
**Author:** ![AK84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85e7bf/32.png) [@AK84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AK84)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2013, 2:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-s3-open-spoilers/654362/789 "2013-06-05T02:22:51Z")
> [@Acsenray](#): > > It’s not even teased that straightforwardly in the books (so far). How could they do it in the show? Ser Barristan outright states it in the latest book. Now the show can avoid it if it’s just a tease (in which case I am going to personally gibbet GRRM), but if it is substantive than that, they need to bring it up much sooner. Otherwise, for the unsullied it will be an even bigger WTF than the Red wedding business. This time, they will have a point. ---
**Author:** ![AuntiePam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f19dbf/32.png) [@AuntiePam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AuntiePam)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2013, 2:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-s3-open-spoilers/654362/790 "2013-06-05T02:55:51Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > I wonder why Mr. Filch, er, Lord Frey “wasted” his most beautiful daughter on Edmure? Since he knew the Red Wedding was coming, the old cutthroat could have foisted off some slattern on him and still had a sweet young thing to marry off to a Lannister down the road. She might not have been the most beautiful. It was probably just her turn to be first in the bathtub that day. None of those girls were ugly. The gingers were kinda scary looking, but the others just needed a good shampoo, some conditioner, and a dress that didn’t come from Sackcloth & Sashes. ---
**Author:** ![AK84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85e7bf/32.png) [@AK84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AK84)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2013, 3:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-s3-open-spoilers/654362/791 "2013-06-05T03:02:58Z")
> [@AuntiePam](#): > > She might not have been the most beautiful. It was probably just her turn to be first in the bathtub that day. > > None of those girls were ugly. The gingers were kinda scary looking, but the others just needed a good shampoo, some conditioner, and a dress that didn’t come from Sackcloth & Sashes. You are right they were not ugly. They ranged from the plain to the downright hideous. Well done to the casting agency and the costume and make up dudes. ---
**Author:** ![Reverse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e79b87/32.png) [@Reverse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Reverse)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2013, 3:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-s3-open-spoilers/654362/792 "2013-06-05T03:05:31Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > One viewer’s cruelty is another viewer’s unbearably powerful dramatic twist. > > I wonder why Mr. Filch, er, Lord Frey “wasted” his most beautiful daughter on Edmure? Since he knew the Red Wedding was coming, the old cutthroat could have foisted off some slattern on him and still had a sweet young thing to marry off to a Lannister down the road. > > That said, I liked Frey’s eyebrow waggle at Robb when the bride’s veil was removed: “See what you’re missing, eh, kid?” It was just a little bit of extra “fuck you” to Robb. “You didn’t think my daughters are good enough, well look at her. Your dumb uncle gets her and you get dead.” ---
**Author:** ![Mighty\_Girl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7bcc69/32.png) [@Mighty\_Girl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mighty_Girl)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2013, 5:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-s3-open-spoilers/654362/793 "2013-06-05T05:16:50Z")
> [@drastic\_quench](#): > > I wished they would have kept the plot device of the band being sort of awful for the entire reception leading up to the reveal that they’re actually bowmen fudging their way through the music. I think that would have worked nicely on TV. The band does sound kinda awful. And Talisa says so to Robb (“They are bad”, or something like it). ---
**Author:** ![AClockworkMelon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aclockworkmelon/32/10803_2.png) [@AClockworkMelon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AClockworkMelon)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2013, 10:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-s3-open-spoilers/654362/794 "2013-06-05T10:08:50Z")
> [@Mighty\_Girl](#): > > The band does sound kinda awful. And Talisa says so to Robb (“They are bad”, or something like it). I don’t remember her saying that. ---
**Author:** ![Fake\_Tales\_of\_San\_Francisco](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/8491ac/32.png) [@Fake\_Tales\_of\_San\_Francisco](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fake_Tales_of_San_Francisco)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2013, 11:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-s3-open-spoilers/654362/795 "2013-06-05T11:02:37Z")
> [@AuntiePam](#): > > Speaking of unCat, is there anything in the books explaining what kind of magic made that happen? Although Beric seems to be the agent that brings Cat back, I don’t think either he or Thoros of Myr really understand what kind of magic they’re using. They just ‘say the words’ and stuff happens. Thoros isn’t even all that devout. Cat’s resurrection also seems very different from Beric Dondarrion’s resurrection. Her entire personality seems to have changed somewhat (the way she treats Brienne for example…). Her description seems more inline with a wight. So who knows what kind of magic is _really_ behind it all. I feel that it’s likely Jon will return in a slightly similar manner (I suspect by warging into Ghost, then back into his own dead body - which is also why I think Benjen Stark = Coldhands) - and they both seem to have more to do with the ‘ice’ side of the story. Hmm. The second post in this thread said anything from any of the books is fair game. But where would be the most appropriate place to discuss general asoiaf theories? If I wanted to do that should I make a new thread? ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2013, 11:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-s3-open-spoilers/654362/796 "2013-06-05T11:19:35Z")
You could continue this thread – [Game of Thrones, Post-Book 5 Speculation (open spoilers) - Cafe Society - Straight Dope Message Board](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=688302) ---
**Author:** ![Biggirl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biggirl/32/3294_2.png) [@Biggirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biggirl)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2013, 11:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-s3-open-spoilers/654362/797 "2013-06-05T11:46:21Z")
> [@Fake\_Tales\_of\_San\_Francisco](#): > > Although Beric seems to be the agent that brings Cat back, I don’t think either he or Thoros of Myr really understand what kind of magic they’re using. They just ‘say the words’ and stuff happens. Thoros isn’t even all that devout. Cat’s resurrection also seems very different from Beric Dondarrion’s resurrection. Her entire personality seems to have changed somewhat (the way she treats Brienne for example…). Her description seems more inline with a wight. Her mind broke about two minutes before she was killed. She was Lady Stoneheart before she hit the floor of the wedding hall. ---
**Author:** ![Fake\_Tales\_of\_San\_Francisco](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/8491ac/32.png) [@Fake\_Tales\_of\_San\_Francisco](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fake_Tales_of_San_Francisco)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2013, 11:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-s3-open-spoilers/654362/798 "2013-06-05T11:59:44Z")
> [@Acsenray](#): > > You could continue this thread – [Game of Thrones, Post-Book 5 Speculation (open spoilers) - Cafe Society - Straight Dope Message Board](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=688302) Oooh. I’ll have a read. > [@Biggirl](#): > > Her mind broke about two minutes before she was killed. She was Lady Stoneheart before she hit the floor of the wedding hall. That’s an interesting thought. I still think her resurrection helped change her personality though. It’s almost like they were only able to bring back the vengeful side of her that we saw in those last minutes, with no discernible trace of who she once was. ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2013, 12:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-s3-open-spoilers/654362/799 "2013-06-05T12:29:22Z")
One of my Unsullied coworkers was telling me yesterday that she thinks Jon Snow is going to be the savior. Another coworker who has read all the books was standing outside my office laughing at her behind her back. I had a really hard time keeping a straight face. ---
**Author:** ![Taomist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@Taomist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Taomist)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2013, 12:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-s3-open-spoilers/654362/800 "2013-06-05T12:58:39Z")
Well, this episode was harder to watch than I expected, hehe. Which is silly, cause I’ve read the books a couple of times. I am really happy about the tower scene with Hodor et. all, as for some reason that scene really stuck in my mind in the books, and it is EXACTLY as I pictured it. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-s3-open-spoilers/654362.md?page=39) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-s3-open-spoilers/654362.md?page=41)