# Game of Thrones S3 - open spoilers **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [March 30, 2013, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-s3-open-spoilers/654362 "2013-03-30T16:23:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2013, 1:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-s3-open-spoilers/654362/161 "2013-04-15T13:51:45Z")
As far as the “whores return the money to Pod” bit, I took that as Baelish repaying the debt he mentioned earlier to Tyrion by paying Tyrion’s debt to Pod. ---
**Author:** ![madmonk28](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madmonk28/32/20811_2.png) [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2013, 2:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-s3-open-spoilers/654362/162 "2013-04-15T14:24:19Z")
I thought it was staged by Tyrion. He had paid them beforehand and let Pod think that they gave him his money back because he was so good. ---
**Author:** ![clairobscur](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/839c29/32.png) [@clairobscur](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/clairobscur)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2013, 3:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-s3-open-spoilers/654362/163 "2013-04-15T15:00:15Z")
> [@Athena](#): > > My WAG is that Ramsay just sent his men after Theon, and didn’t tell them that he’d be hunting them as well. The guard he killed called him “bastard”. I suspect those were his father’s men, and totally unaware that Theon had been freed by Ramsay. > [@](#): > > Didn’t think the thing with Pod was worth the screen time. Sure, it’s a clever/funny story, but give me more of the real story, not something silly about Pod. I agree completely. But then again they needed to reserve screen time for Peter Dinklage and for gratuitous nudity > [@](#): > > I did very much like both versions of the Bear and the Maiden Fair. Was nice to actually hear the song that popped up in the book so often, and I loved the punk version at the end. Very fitting to throw headbanger music at us after they cut Jaime’s hand off. Well… I think they should have used a period music, like they did for Castamere. Something more[like that](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6VMSYIXCCY). I found suddenly hearing a rock song to be quite distracting. ---
**Author:** ![clairobscur](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/839c29/32.png) [@clairobscur](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/clairobscur)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2013, 3:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-s3-open-spoilers/654362/164 "2013-04-15T15:05:56Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > As far as the “whores return the money to Pod” bit, I took that as Baelish repaying the debt he mentioned earlier to Tyrion by paying Tyrion’s debt to Pod. > [@madmonk28](#): > > I thought it was staged by Tyrion. He had paid them beforehand and let Pod think that they gave him his money back because he was so good. What? Nobody believes in Pod’s prowesses? ---
**Author:** ![sideshowkar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/5e9695/32.png) [@sideshowkar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sideshowkar)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2013, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-s3-open-spoilers/654362/165 "2013-04-15T16:07:34Z")
> [@clairobscur](#): > > The guard he killed called him “bastard”. I suspect those were his father’s men, and totally unaware that Theon had been freed by Ramsay. It’s been a while since I read the books, but didn’t Ramsay and his men set people free and hunt them for sport? My take on things was that Ramsay let him go and told his men to go have some fun (rape all you like, but don’t kill him - all the arrows were slightly off their mark), then headed out after them so that he could have his own fun; the guy who called him a bastard realized it right before Ramsay killed him. They had to be in on the plan to “Reek” Theon, since Ramsay was sort of playing Reek in the episode before (like in the books), acting like a servant boy. Someone in the non-spoiler thread wrote about how fake the escape seemed. That’s because it was. I loved this episode. It’s my favorite of the whole series. Jamie is my favorite character and I’m hoping the TV-only people will start to see why that is now instead of looking at me with loathing (which they get right back from me for not reading the books). ---
**Author:** ![Unauthorized\_Cinnamon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/bc8723/32.png) [@Unauthorized\_Cinnamon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Unauthorized_Cinnamon)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2013, 4:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-s3-open-spoilers/654362/166 "2013-04-15T16:15:02Z")
Yep, I think it’s got to be a complex and unbelievably twisted mind-fuck by Ramsey. He told his men he wanted to dick around with Theon by pretending to be an ally, and helping him escape, only to have the men hunt him down and humiliate him further. Little did the men know Ramsey wanted to add another perverse layer to the con by having him “save” Theon again, really building up that trust and reliance before pulling the rug out from under him (which is going to be an amazing and awful scene, I’m sure). Ramsey also surely wasn’t averse to hunting down some armed humans just for shits and giggles. Can’t let life get too boring, you know! (And yes, in the books he lets female prisoners go, then hunts them down with dogs, then names new dogs after the most “fun” prisoners - i.e., the ones who were most challenging.) Was I the only one who, when they pulled down his pants, was squirming and hiding my eyes, and then breathed a sigh of relief that they were “only” going to rape him, and not flay his privates? ---
**Author:** ![Biggirl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biggirl/32/3294_2.png) [@Biggirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biggirl)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2013, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-s3-open-spoilers/654362/167 "2013-04-15T16:36:53Z")
> [@drastic\_quench](#): > > So did the creative team from True Blood direct that cheesy-ass punch-out ending? -cause that’s exactly the style with which episodes of True Blood tend to end. > > Jaime losing his hand should have had the hopeless nihilism of a Peckinpah movie. This was pure cheese. We get Evil Dead-style gore in place of the true horror that is Jaime’s despair at having his identity lopped off. Fuck, what a wasted opportunity. Old Sam Peckinpah circa Alfredo Garcia or Straw Dogs could have captured what demanded to be captured in that final scene of attempted rape and dismemberment. Then the rock-out punch-out credits with the version of the bear song. Goddamn, that was HBO at its worst which is why I compared it to true blood. Game of Thrones should be better than this. I’m not getting the Evil Dead-style gore. There was absolutely no gore in this scene. And by Peckinpah, do you mean you wished it was done in slow-mo while Jaime sank slowly to his knees with blood pulsing out of his wrist while mouthing “Why, oh why???!!!” Because THAT would have been cheesy. ---
**Author:** ![drastic\_quench](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e36b37/32.png) [@drastic\_quench](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drastic_quench)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2013, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-s3-open-spoilers/654362/168 "2013-04-15T16:56:17Z")
> [@Biggirl](#): > > I’m not getting the Evil Dead-style gore. There was absolutely no gore in this scene. And by Peckinpah, do you mean you wished it was done in slow-mo while Jaime sank slowly to his knees with blood pulsing out of his wrist while mouthing “Why, oh why???!!!” Because THAT would have been cheesy. No gore? I saw a meaty stump complete with the radius and ulna. Nothing wrong with a little slo-mo, but no, it’s not required. Peckinpah typically used it in the seconds leading up to violence, and the showing the act in regular speed. I don’t think Nancy Kerrigan writes dialogue for Game of Thrones, so no worries there. Yes, they needed to allow Nikolaj Coster-Waldau more than a tenth of a second to perform a reaction. He’s a good actor, and the directors should trust him enough to delivery a realistic performance that resonates with the audience, not this schlocky fucking smash cut to the credits mess. ---
**Author:** ![MaxTheVool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@MaxTheVool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MaxTheVool)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2013, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-s3-open-spoilers/654362/169 "2013-04-15T17:04:35Z")
> [@drastic\_quench](#): > > No gore? I saw a meaty stump complete with the radius and ulna. > > Nothing wrong with a little slo-mo, but no, it’s not required. Peckinpah typically used it in the seconds leading up to violence, and the showing the act in regular speed. I don’t think Nancy Kerrigan writes dialogue for Game of Thrones, so no worries there. Yes, they needed to allow Nikolaj Coster-Waldau more than a tenth of a second to perform a reaction. He’s a good actor, and the directors should trust him enough to delivery a realistic performance that resonates with the audience, not this schlocky fucking smash cut to the credits mess. I gotta say I disagree. What’s so shocking about that moment is that it’s so sudden… I mean, sure Brienne and Jaime were captured, and we’re used to main characters being captured and nothing ever really happens, and Jaime is silver tongued and can probably talk his way out of it, and then HOLY SHIT!!! Seems like a perfect place to end the episode, and I had no problem with the way it was filmed. ---
**Author:** ![SecretaryofEvil](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e95f7d/32.png) [@SecretaryofEvil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SecretaryofEvil)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2013, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-s3-open-spoilers/654362/170 "2013-04-15T19:20:48Z")
> [@Unauthorized\_Cinnamon](#): > > Was I the only one who, when they pulled down his pants, was squirming and hiding my eyes, and then breathed a sigh of relief that they were “only” going to rape him, and not flay his privates? It’s only in the presence of Ramsey Bolton that you can think “Phew, it’s only a gang rape. I thought it was going to be something _really_ awful.” ---
**Author:** ![drastic\_quench](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e36b37/32.png) [@drastic\_quench](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drastic_quench)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2013, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-s3-open-spoilers/654362/171 "2013-04-15T19:21:04Z")
So if Melisandre is going after Gendry, owing to his king’s blood, I guess that meeting is how Thoros of Myr is going to get his groove back. ---
**Author:** ![chinchalinchin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b9bd4f/32.png) [@chinchalinchin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chinchalinchin)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2013, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-s3-open-spoilers/654362/172 "2013-04-15T19:32:12Z")
If you watch one of the season 3 featurettes on youtube, it seems like Melisandre is going out specifically to seek out Thoros; Gendry, if they pursue that plotline, will probably be an added bonus. ---
**Author:** ![SecretaryofEvil](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e95f7d/32.png) [@SecretaryofEvil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SecretaryofEvil)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2013, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-s3-open-spoilers/654362/173 "2013-04-15T19:37:02Z")
> [@SecretaryofEvil](#): > > He likes to rape large women and maim men for spurious purposes. On the other hand, he had a tremendous singing voice. > > I loved both versions of the Bear and the Maiden Fair. > [@Unauthorized\_Cinnamon](#): > > 😃 > I definitely liked the in-show version the best. The melody was good and folksy, and somehow they managed to make the song sound even dirtier than it already was. Agreed, for some reason when you actual hear it out loud it does sound much dirtier. I listened to that 20 second clip of Noah Taylor singing about 10 times since last night. I loved that just because they’re sadistic man-hunters, that doesn’t mean they don’t enjoy singing ribald little ditties to help pass the time on the march. Other people have posted that they found the modern version jarring, but I quite liked that too. A lot of the instruments they use in the regular “classical” score were invented well after the medieval period anyway. ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2013, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-s3-open-spoilers/654362/174 "2013-04-15T19:38:18Z")
> [@Unauthorized\_Cinnamon](#): > > Was I the only one who, when they pulled down his pants, was squirming and hiding my eyes, and then breathed a sigh of relief that they were “only” going to rape him, and not flay his privates? Nope. I’m fairly certain we’ll get that at some point though. ---
**Author:** ![Lao\_Tsu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e79b87/32.png) [@Lao\_Tsu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lao_Tsu)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2013, 8:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-s3-open-spoilers/654362/175 "2013-04-15T20:05:36Z")
“The Bear and the Maiden Fair” is available for free on iTunes today. ---
**Author:** ![madmonk28](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madmonk28/32/20811_2.png) [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2013, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-s3-open-spoilers/654362/176 "2013-04-15T20:08:56Z")
I know it’s already been mentioned, but I’m really going to enjoy the reaction of those who haven’t read the book when a certain wedding happens. ---
**Author:** ![Athena](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/35a633/32.png) [@Athena](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Athena)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2013, 8:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-s3-open-spoilers/654362/177 "2013-04-15T20:55:42Z")
> [@Lao\_Tsu](#): > > “The Bear and the Maiden Fair” is available for free on iTunes today. It is? Which version? I can’t seem to find anything but a version from July 2012 that doesn’t seem to have any link to last night’s GoT episode. ---
**Author:** ![Unauthorized\_Cinnamon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/bc8723/32.png) [@Unauthorized\_Cinnamon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Unauthorized_Cinnamon)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2013, 9:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-s3-open-spoilers/654362/178 "2013-04-15T21:14:54Z")
> [@SecretaryofEvil](#): > > It’s only in the presence of Ramsey Bolton that you can think “Phew, it’s only a gang rape. I thought it was going to be something _really_ awful.” 😛 > [@Athena](#): > > It is? Which version? I can’t seem to find anything but a version from July 2012 that doesn’t seem to have any link to last night’s GoT episode. I searched “maiden fair” on iTunes and it came up as a Podcast episode. But whatever, hey it is indeed free! ETA: it does look like that’s from July 2012. The link with GoT is that the show used this pre-existing arrangement of the song as the closing credits. I believe the group just used the lyrics from GRRM and made their own song of it some time ago. ---
**Author:** ![Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/qadgop_the_mercotan/32/83_2.png) [@Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qadgop_the_Mercotan)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2013, 9:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-s3-open-spoilers/654362/179 "2013-04-15T21:20:25Z")
> [@madmonk28](#): > > I know it’s already been mentioned, but I’m really going to enjoy the reaction of those who haven’t read the book when a certain wedding happens. When a couple of certain weddings happen! 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2013, 10:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-s3-open-spoilers/654362/180 "2013-04-15T22:57:02Z")
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