# Game Of Thrones S4 \[MAJOR BOOK SPOILERS!\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [March 30, 2014, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-s4-major-book-spoilers/684923 "2014-03-30T19:36:07Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![ISiddiqui](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/97f17d/32.png) [@ISiddiqui](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ISiddiqui)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2014, 2:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-s4-major-book-spoilers/684923/21 "2014-03-31T14:12:34Z")
> [@Alba](#): > > My guess for episode 10: > > 1. The Children refers to Bran meeting up with the Children of the forest in the cave. > > I don’t know if it’s too early for that? It’s gotta be, I’d think. If they do go that route, then Bran would seemingly do a whole lot of nothing for a few seasons - unless it becomes a “learning” plot following it. You never know, I guess ---
**Author:** ![ISiddiqui](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/97f17d/32.png) [@ISiddiqui](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ISiddiqui)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2014, 2:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-s4-major-book-spoilers/684923/22 "2014-03-31T14:13:35Z")
> [@Alba](#): > > [spoiler] > I agree that there’s a big difference in the portrayal of the characters, but what bothered me in the book is that it is not clear if Tywin forced her into his bed or that she joined his bed for the coins. I always felt Tyrion killed her a bit too soon without asking why. > > But I might be misremembering. [/spoiler] Well… She is wearing the chain of office of the Hand of the King and seems fairly content in her situation when Tyrion comes upon her ---
**Author:** ![Lakai](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/9de0a6/32.png) [@Lakai](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lakai)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2014, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-s4-major-book-spoilers/684923/23 "2014-03-31T15:34:25Z")
> [@Alba](#): > > My guess for episode 10: > > 1. The Children refers to Bran meeting up with the Children of the forest in the cave. > > I don’t know if it’s too early for that? Don’t read the spoiler if you don’t want to know the answer. They cast actors to play the Three-Eyed Crow and the Child of the Forest. Here is a [list](http://observationdeck.io9.com/game-of-thrones-season-4-the-casting-and-plot-expectat-1488019170) of all the new castings. ---
**Author:** ![Habeed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a587f6/32.png) [@Habeed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Habeed)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2014, 4:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-s4-major-book-spoilers/684923/24 "2014-03-31T16:08:40Z")
I can’t wait for the Purple Wedding. You know, I wonder how the non-book reading viewers are going to react this time when the scene starts? I mean, it’s game of Thrones and it’s a wedding…they’ll know something has to be up. Heck, when I read it, I felt an ominous tone throughout the scene, even though I didn’t know what was going to happen. It was because Martin put so much lavish detail into describing the setup of the wedding, when he is so terse with words elsewhere in the books. ---
**Author:** ![bouv](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bc8723/32.png) [@bouv](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bouv)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2014, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-s4-major-book-spoilers/684923/25 "2014-03-31T20:17:53Z")
> [@Habeed](#): > > I can’t wait for the Purple Wedding. You know, I wonder how the non-book reading viewers are going to react this time when the scene starts? I mean, it’s game of Thrones and it’s a wedding…they’ll know something has to be up. Heck, when I read it, I felt an ominous tone throughout the scene, even though I didn’t know what was going to happen. It was because Martin put so much lavish detail into describing the setup of the wedding, when he is so terse with words elsewhere in the books. My thoughts: Because of things like Ned’s Death, the Red Wedding, Renly’s Death, etc…, TV viewers (and, for a time, book readers,) were used to the “good guys” dying. So I’m guessing that, if they think anything bad will happen, it will likely be to Tyrion and/or Margaery (even though something bad DOES happen to Tyrion, it’s not really in the way they’d expect.) It seems most show watchers fully expect Joffrey to keep being an petulant little shit and cause more trouble, until he’s killed by Arya, or roasted by Dany’s dragons, or something. ---
**Author:** ![GreasyJack](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/df705f/32.png) [@GreasyJack](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GreasyJack)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2014, 9:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-s4-major-book-spoilers/684923/26 "2014-03-31T21:21:49Z")
> [@Sampiro](#): > > I wonder if Wilko Johnson will be resuming the role of Ilyn Payne. The actor/singer was diagnosed with terminal cancer and told he would die within a few months, but his “expiration date” came and went several months ago and he’s still making singing appearances, so perhaps he’ll be well enough to come back on board. I think his character will be singing in the musical spectacular. ---
**Author:** ![thelurkinghorror](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7c8e57/32.png) [@thelurkinghorror](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thelurkinghorror)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2014, 2:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-s4-major-book-spoilers/684923/27 "2014-04-01T02:10:27Z")
My guesses (I didn’t read everything above). I’m in the 3rd book but pretty spoiled on the later ones besides details: 1 - I don’t know, besides Ice. In the trailers, did I Bronn training Jaime instead of wotsisface? 2 - Tyrell something. I saw some speculation or leak here for PW, so maybe. 3 - Daenerys 5 - Either dead Joffrey (First of His Name) or coronation of Tommen (First of His Name) if the former happened. 6 - Trial? 7 - Katniss is important. Wait. No, but that’s what I thought when I read the title. Littlefinger. 8 - Obvious. I hope they find a reason to make viewers remember who the Mountain is (and hate him?) 9 - Obvious who, but not which part to me. 10 - I don’t really know about this part, but Children of the Forest w/ Bran? ---
**Author:** ![HazelNutCoffee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ac91a4/32.png) [@HazelNutCoffee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HazelNutCoffee)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2014, 11:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-s4-major-book-spoilers/684923/28 "2014-04-01T11:28:27Z")
> [@Alba](#): > > [spoiler] > I agree that there’s a big difference in the portrayal of the characters, but what bothered me in the book is that it is not clear if Tywin forced her into his bed or that she joined his bed for the coins. I always felt Tyrion killed her a bit too soon without asking why. > > But I might be misremembering. [/spoiler] 3rd book spoilers I think he was perfectly justified. It’s one thing to lie to save your skin. Maybe he could have forgiven her for turning against him since she did it to avoid being hanged or some other grisly fate. But she deliberately mocked him in front of everyone, all the while pretending to be an innocent little maid wholly unaware of what she was doing. She didn’t have to take it that far. It just proved what a shallow and unfeeling so-and-so she was. As for Joff’s wedding, I was surprised by his death even after getting through the Red Wedding; although for book readers it was more of an immediate experience - the tv audience has had more time to process everything so maybe it won’t be as much of a surprise for them. Tywin’s death also really surprised me. I didn’t think Tyrion would go so far. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2014, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-s4-major-book-spoilers/684923/29 "2014-04-01T18:35:13Z")
> [@HazelNutCoffee](#): > > As for Joff’s wedding, > > I was surprised by his death even after getting through the Red Wedding; although for book readers it was more of an immediate experience - the tv audience has had more time to process everything so maybe it won’t be as much of a surprise for them. Tywin’s death also really surprised me. I didn’t think Tyrion would go so far. Well… I expected it as soon as Jaime told Tyrion the truth about whatshername. The whole “whore” situation was a defining backstory moment for Tyrion. To find out that it was all a lie almost demanded his killing Tywin. ---
**Author:** ![clairobscur](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/839c29/32.png) [@clairobscur](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/clairobscur)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2014, 6:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-s4-major-book-spoilers/684923/30 "2014-04-01T18:39:28Z")
Why don’t we have two threads, like the other years, one with unboxed spoilers, and one with references to the books forbidden? It worked well. Anyway, regarding characters likely to be killed this season : I count seven, not three ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2014, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-s4-major-book-spoilers/684923/31 "2014-04-01T18:41:58Z")
Because this is just a thread with a specific question, not a general thread about the show. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2014, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-s4-major-book-spoilers/684923/32 "2014-04-01T18:43:35Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > Because this is just a thread with a specific question, not a general thread about the show. That is correct. I know what’s coming; but I wanted to know if it was coming this season. I believe my question has been answered. ---
**Author:** ![clairobscur](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/839c29/32.png) [@clairobscur](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/clairobscur)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2014, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-s4-major-book-spoilers/684923/33 "2014-04-01T18:47:08Z")
The titles of episodes used to be very deceptive during the previous seasons, but it seems to me that this time, they’re very straightforward. ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2014, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-s4-major-book-spoilers/684923/34 "2014-04-01T18:48:19Z")
> [@clairobscur](#): > > Why don’t we have two threads, like the other years, one with unboxed spoilers, and one with references to the books forbidden? It worked well. > Anyway, regarding characters likely to be killed this season : > > I count seven, not three Regarding your spoiler box: [ul] [li]Joffrey[/li][li]Oberyn[/li][li]Ygritte[/li][li]Shae[/li][li]Tywin[/li][li]Lysa[/li] And who? Sandor is likely alive in the books. I wouldn’t say the Mountain is dead. Poliver wouldn’t count. Ditto Dontos. Oh, Balon? [/ul] ---
**Author:** ![clairobscur](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/839c29/32.png) [@clairobscur](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/clairobscur)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2014, 6:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-s4-major-book-spoilers/684923/35 "2014-04-01T18:55:21Z")
> [@Snarky\_Kong](#): > > Regarding your spoiler box: > > [ul] > [li]Joffrey[/li][li]Oberyn[/li][li]Ygritte[/li][li]Shae[/li][li]Tywin[/li][li]Lysa[/li] > And who? Sandor is likely alive in the books. I wouldn’t say the Mountain is dead. Poliver wouldn’t count. Ditto Dontos. Oh, Balon? > [/ul] The hound and Balon Greyjoy. I didn’t expect Lysa to die during this season. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2014, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-s4-major-book-spoilers/684923/36 "2014-04-01T18:57:33Z")
> [@clairobscur](#): > > The hound and Balon Greyjoy. I didn’t expect Lysa to die during this season. But… the Hound is probably not dead in the books. ---
**Author:** ![clairobscur](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/839c29/32.png) [@clairobscur](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/clairobscur)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2014, 7:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-s4-major-book-spoilers/684923/37 "2014-04-01T19:06:02Z")
> [@jayjay](#): > > But… > > the Hound is probably not dead in the books. “Probably” is a strong word, IMO. There’s only a theory according to which this character might not be dead based on a wild interpretation of a small scene. In any case, he doesn’t play any part in the story anymore so far, so he might as well be dead. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2014, 7:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-s4-major-book-spoilers/684923/38 "2014-04-01T19:18:17Z")
> [@clairobscur](#): > > “Probably” is a strong word, IMO. There’s only a theory according to which this character might not be dead based on a wild interpretation of a small scene. In any case, he doesn’t play any part in the story anymore so far, so he might as well be dead. But he may yet. That small scene seems significant to me. ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2014, 7:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-s4-major-book-spoilers/684923/39 "2014-04-01T19:35:15Z")
It’s not at all a wild interpretation. His horse is specifically there. I’d put it at 80% likely. Not R+L=J, but not at all crackpot. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2014, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-s4-major-book-spoilers/684923/40 "2014-04-01T22:01:41Z")
> [@clairobscur](#): > > “Probably” is a strong word, IMO. There’s only a theory according to which this character might not be dead based on a wild interpretation of a small scene. In any case, he doesn’t play any part in the story anymore so far, so he might as well be dead. He still has a big part to play that was prophesied way back in book one,“definitely” is a lot closer to accurate than “probably”. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-s4-major-book-spoilers/684923.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-s4-major-book-spoilers/684923.md?page=3)