# Game of Thrones Season 2 - OPEN SPOILERS Discussion Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [March 28, 2012, 1:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-2-open-spoilers-discussion-thread/617008 "2012-03-28T01:53:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 20
**Author:** ![Anonymous\_Coward](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/94ad74/32.png) [@Anonymous\_Coward](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Anonymous_Coward)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2012, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-2-open-spoilers-discussion-thread/617008/381 "2012-05-17T17:26:46Z")
> [@Snarky\_Kong](#): > > Bael the Bard, which is also a big hint that the bard Abel in ADWD is Mance. I didn’t catch that when reading and slapped my head when it was explained to me. Whoa ---
**Author:** ![JeffB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jeffb/32/188_2.png) [@JeffB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JeffB)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2012, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-2-open-spoilers-discussion-thread/617008/382 "2012-05-17T18:44:40Z")
> [@Lazlo Hapsburg](#): > > I haven’t read the book but I know some Orthodox Jewish people who keep telling me the Messiah is coming. Whenever I ask them “when” he is coming, they reply that it will be any minute now. > > I think that it is a similar kind of believe about Winter coming. Except it’s probably better to believe that Winter is coming if it means that you prepare for bad weather and cold weather by stocking up on food and creating gardens and learning to do things for yourself In short, making yourself more self-reliant. How can that be a bad thing? > > By the way, FYI, I don’t believe the messiah is coming any minute. If he ever does come, a lot of people will be put off at his atrocious bad manners for coming so late. Accept, to cotinue your analogy, the messiah has come and gone many times throughout history, including within living memory. ---
**Author:** ![lisiate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f05b48/32.png) [@lisiate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lisiate)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2012, 9:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-2-open-spoilers-discussion-thread/617008/383 "2012-05-17T21:23:19Z")
> [@Snarky\_Kong](#): > > Bael the Bard, which is also a big hint that the bard Abel in ADWD is Mance. I didn’t catch that when reading and slapped my head when it was explained to me. I picked up on it, but only now realise ‘their’ names are anagrams… ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2012, 1:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-2-open-spoilers-discussion-thread/617008/384 "2012-05-18T01:51:56Z")
So, Edmure is a definite for season 3. I imagine that means the Blackfish is in too. Speculation on leaked casting calls is that they’re looking for the Reeds too. I’m pretty stoked. ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2012, 12:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-2-open-spoilers-discussion-thread/617008/385 "2012-05-18T12:43:38Z")
Yeah, the scene from the leaked Edmure audition video has two characters in the off-camera line readings. One is clearly Robb, and while I don’t remember the scene from the books well enough, the other one is supposed to be Brynden. ---
**Author:** ![bouv](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bc8723/32.png) [@bouv](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bouv)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2012, 2:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-2-open-spoilers-discussion-thread/617008/386 "2012-05-18T14:21:52Z")
> [@Snarky\_Kong](#): > > So, Edmure is a definite for season 3. I imagine that means the Blackfish is in too. I really hope we get The Blackfish. It would be nice to have at least ONE Tully that’s not a complete fuck-up. Yeah, I know that Catelyn has good reasons for what she does (well…what she thinks is good for her and her family at the time,) and we can certainly sympathize with those reasons, but the fact of the matter is she still fucks up royally. Edmure had potential to not be a fuck-up and take after his kick-ass uncle, but nope, he had to disobey Robb’s orders and makes a stupid frontal assault that ruined a masterfully-laid plan Robb had made. Holster Tully, though not technically a fuck-up, is too old and senile to be useful. And I don’t think I even have to get into what makes Auntie Lysa a fuck-up…but I will anyway: The biggest thing is, of course: (spoilering because it is a MASSIVE spoiler for the end of Book 4, so even though a couple people here say they don’t care about spoilers, I’m still spoiler-tagging it) Killing Jon Aryn and starting off the entire chain of events that get King Robert, Nedd, Robb, Catelyn, and eventually herself killed. Yeah, Littlefinger was the one behind it, but she could have said no…but the crazy was in full force. But even smaller things like how she handed the Tyrion debacle, not pledging The Vale to Robb’s army, and raising her son to be a whiny, sickly little brat that will amount to nothing. ---
**Author:** ![AuntiePam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f19dbf/32.png) [@AuntiePam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AuntiePam)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2012, 7:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-2-open-spoilers-discussion-thread/617008/387 "2012-05-19T19:33:16Z")
Three episodes left. What are we likely to see? Apparently we’ll see Blackwater, and they can’t leave out the burning of the House of the Undying, and Arya freeing the prisoners at Harrenhall, Jaqen changing and giving Arya the “magic words”, Theon’s betrayal by the Boltons. What else is there? That seems like a lot for just three episodes. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2012, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-2-open-spoilers-discussion-thread/617008/388 "2012-05-19T19:39:04Z")
The Karstark beheading? Jamie being freed for sure. Yara is supposed to come see Theon. Joffrey and Margaery getting betrothed. Jon killing Halfhand, maybe the rest of the nightswatch getting attacked? ---
**Author:** ![Biggirl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biggirl/32/3294_2.png) [@Biggirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biggirl)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2012, 1:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-2-open-spoilers-discussion-thread/617008/389 "2012-05-20T01:31:10Z")
Three episodes? Weasel soup and Arya and Gendry’s escape. Theron’s commupance. The young Stark boys. . . wandering north? Dany fucking up the blue lips, burning Qark to the ground and gaining some muscle behind her empty threats? ---
**Author:** ![TruCelt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/trucelt/32/523_2.png) [@TruCelt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TruCelt)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2012, 1:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-2-open-spoilers-discussion-thread/617008/390 "2012-05-20T13:11:06Z")
Dracaerys!!! I don’t know if we can have Dany as the dramatic season close again though. I thought we might close with Lord Coldhands, but it doesn’t seem likely. Maybe the fight at the fist? ---
**Author:** ![Lakai](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/9de0a6/32.png) [@Lakai](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lakai)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2012, 1:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-2-open-spoilers-discussion-thread/617008/391 "2012-05-20T13:55:21Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > The Karstark beheading? Jamie being freed for sure. Yara is supposed to come see Theon. Joffrey and Margaery getting betrothed. Jon killing Halfhand, maybe the rest of the nightswatch getting attacked? It looks like they’ve set up the night’s watch getting attacked at the end of this season, and not at the start of the next. Sam reminds us that three horns means White Walkers. Which, of course, no one knows because that signal hasn’t been used for hundreds of years. ---
**Author:** ![Biggirl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biggirl/32/3294_2.png) [@Biggirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biggirl)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2012, 3:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-2-open-spoilers-discussion-thread/617008/392 "2012-05-20T15:57:40Z")
Hey, what about the assault on King’s Landing? That’s gotta happen, right. Although I do not remember any talk of Tyrion’s chain. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2012, 3:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-2-open-spoilers-discussion-thread/617008/393 "2012-05-20T15:59:59Z")
Yeah, episode 9 is titled “blackwater” and they said they blew a large part of the seasons budget on it. ---
**Author:** ![Biggirl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biggirl/32/3294_2.png) [@Biggirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biggirl)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2012, 2:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-2-open-spoilers-discussion-thread/617008/394 "2012-05-21T02:01:15Z")
No weasel soup, no Needle either. No chain. Robb putting Cat under house arrest. Who is this woman Robb is doing. Doesn’t Robb’s wife, Jenly, figure in book four? ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2012, 2:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-2-open-spoilers-discussion-thread/617008/395 "2012-05-21T02:08:07Z")
Think that’s supposed to be Jeyne, did you notice how she was trying to avoid actually going to the Crag? I can do with no weasel soup, and no Arya murdering a guard to escape, but WTF are they going to do about the coin and Valar Morgulis? ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2012, 2:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-2-open-spoilers-discussion-thread/617008/396 "2012-05-21T02:08:19Z")
Oona Chaplin was originally cast as “Jeyne.” There has been a lot of speculation about Talisa just being Jeyne in disguise. I’m not sure how the story of her brother’s near death jives with that. I dislike Robb cheating and Catelyn letting Jaime go before they hear about “Bran and Rickon.” How’s Arya going to get on a ship without her iron coin and Vahlar Morghulis? That’s the title of episode 10, so I imagine that happens somehow? I liked the episode quite a bit, but it was slower than I was expecting for episode 8. Last season 8 was Syrio’s last stand, zombie attacks, and tongue ripping. I can’t wait for next week. ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2012, 2:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-2-open-spoilers-discussion-thread/617008/397 "2012-05-21T02:36:01Z")
The last episode of the season is called Valar Morghulis. I have finally found the first plot change that has bothered me. It makes no sense for Catelyn to let Jaime go without having first heard the erroneous news that Bran and Rickon are dead. In the books, her justification was “This is my last living child.” It doesn’t make sense for Catelyn to give Jaime up unless she’s utterly hopeless. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2012, 2:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-2-open-spoilers-discussion-thread/617008/398 "2012-05-21T02:44:27Z")
Nor for Robb to cheat without being already heart broken and vulnerable, no idea why they didn’t just let Luwin get a bird out. ---
**Author:** ![AuntiePam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f19dbf/32.png) [@AuntiePam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AuntiePam)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2012, 2:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-2-open-spoilers-discussion-thread/617008/399 "2012-05-21T02:58:58Z")
One setup after another. Couldn’t the writers conclude just **one** plot line? It’s like coitus interruptus. Very unsatisfying. This is the first time in two seasons that I left the room and grabbed a snack while the show was on. Don’t remember Yara/Asha sharing a childhood memory with Theon. I guess it’s okay, but it seems out of the blue. Who misled Cersei about Tyrion’s woman? Varys? Tyrion was masterful, acting like he’s acting. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2012, 3:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-2-open-spoilers-discussion-thread/617008/400 "2012-05-21T03:09:51Z")
> [@AuntiePam](#): > > Who misled Cersei about Tyrion’s woman? Varys? Tyrion was masterful, acting like he’s acting. 😃 I don’t think anyone did. She’s just arrogant and assumed her information had to be correct. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-2-open-spoilers-discussion-thread/617008.md?page=19) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-2-open-spoilers-discussion-thread/617008.md?page=21)