# Game of Thrones Season 2 - OPEN SPOILERS Discussion Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [March 28, 2012, 1:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-2-open-spoilers-discussion-thread/617008 "2012-03-28T01:53:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Mr.Excellent](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f19dbf/32.png) [@Mr.Excellent](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Excellent)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2012, 3:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-2-open-spoilers-discussion-thread/617008/81 "2012-04-06T03:44:39Z")
> [@AuntiePam](#): > > This is where I am now, in the book. I don’t remember much of Theon from the earlier books, but whatever he did, he doesn’t deserve this. Damn. Just starts on A Feast of Crows, so perhaps I’ll agree with you after I finish Dance - but right now, that would require a pretty horrible end for Theon. I mean, it’s not like his seizure of Winterfell was exactly bloodless, you know? He killed a lot of innocent people he grew up with. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Excellent](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f19dbf/32.png) [@Mr.Excellent](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Excellent)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2012, 3:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-2-open-spoilers-discussion-thread/617008/82 "2012-04-06T03:46:34Z")
> [@Snarky\_Kong](#): > > Did this confirm or change your opinion on Stannis and Melisandre’s relationship? I’ve heard some nerd rage akin to what we heard after Loras-Renly. I thought it was pretty much explicit that Stannis and Melisandre had slept together at least a few times? I mean, that’s how one makes shadow-babies - and we know that because Mel (can we call her Mel) wanted Stannis to sleep with her so that she could make more, and feared that doing this with Stannis might kill him. I guess it’s ambiguous whether there’s actually an ongoing romantic relationship, but they’ve clearly made the dragon with two backs. ---
**Author:** ![drastic\_quench](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e36b37/32.png) [@drastic\_quench](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drastic_quench)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2012, 3:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-2-open-spoilers-discussion-thread/617008/83 "2012-04-06T03:52:16Z")
> [@Mr.Excellent](#): > > I thought it was pretty much explicit that Stannis and Melisandre had slept together at least a few times? I mean, that’s how one makes shadow-babies - and we know that because Mel (can we call her Mel) wanted Stannis to sleep with her so that she could make more, and feared that doing this with Stannis might kill him. I guess it’s ambiguous whether there’s actually an ongoing romantic relationship, but they’ve clearly made the dragon with two backs. Yeah. Plus the TV way makes for a better story. This makes more sense than the book where Stannis’s wife is one the take with the religion and he just sort of acquiesces. Plus no damnable fool. ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2012, 3:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-2-open-spoilers-discussion-thread/617008/84 "2012-04-06T03:52:42Z")
> [@Mr.Excellent](#): > > but right now, that would require a pretty horrible end for Theon. This makes me smile. > [@](#): > > I mean, it’s not like his seizure of Winterfell was exactly bloodless, you know? He killed a lot of innocent people he grew up with. I think a lot of this can be explained away. I mean, he was a hostage, and it’s war. There’s a lot of emotional attachment to the Starks that taints that view. That being said, he either kills or orders the death of two children. I think there was a rape too… Ok, so yeah that’s pretty bad. Nevermind. ---
**Author:** ![drastic\_quench](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e36b37/32.png) [@drastic\_quench](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drastic_quench)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2012, 3:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-2-open-spoilers-discussion-thread/617008/85 "2012-04-06T03:58:05Z")
There’s a rumor that the Reeds won’t be in the show either. Can’t say they’ll be missed. The girl, Meera, was fine but I had to skim every time Jojen spouted his boring lines. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2012, 1:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-2-open-spoilers-discussion-thread/617008/86 "2012-04-06T13:33:29Z")
It makes more sense than the wilding (osha is gonna replace them apparently) would be the one leading them past the wall i guess, the Reeds were a connection to Howland Reed and all the tower of joy stuff was dropped already so they seem to be completely unnecessary. ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2012, 2:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-2-open-spoilers-discussion-thread/617008/87 "2012-04-06T14:01:47Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > It makes more sense than the wilding (osha is gonna replace them apparently) would be the one leading them past the wall i guess, the Reeds were a connection to Howland Reed and all the tower of joy stuff was dropped already so they seem to be completely unnecessary. I guess that depends on what they’re going to do with Rickon. If something big happens with him/Davos on Skagos, then they’re going to need someone to take him there while Osha goes north of the Wall. ---
**Author:** ![Reverse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e79b87/32.png) [@Reverse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Reverse)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2012, 2:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-2-open-spoilers-discussion-thread/617008/88 "2012-04-06T14:19:21Z")
> [@Snarky\_Kong](#): > > I guess that depends on what they’re going to do with Rickon. If something big happens with him/Davos on Skagos, then they’re going to need someone to take him there while Osha goes north of the Wall. Rumor is that Maester Luwin might survive the sacking of Winterfell and go with Rickon. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2012, 2:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-2-open-spoilers-discussion-thread/617008/89 "2012-04-06T14:27:00Z")
That… would kinda suck. That everyone at Winterfall died was a pretty important part of the books i thought, nobody is supposed to know what really happened there besides Theon and Ramsay. ---
**Author:** ![Reverse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e79b87/32.png) [@Reverse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Reverse)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2012, 2:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-2-open-spoilers-discussion-thread/617008/90 "2012-04-06T14:42:16Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > That… would kinda suck. That everyone at Winterfall died was a pretty important part of the books i thought, nobody is supposed to know what really happened there besides Theon and Ramsay. Well, the survivors know. ---
**Author:** ![TruCelt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/trucelt/32/523_2.png) [@TruCelt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TruCelt)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2012, 7:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-2-open-spoilers-discussion-thread/617008/91 "2012-04-06T19:22:34Z")
> [@Mr.Excellent](#): > > Just starts on A Feast of Crows, so perhaps I’ll agree with you after I finish Dance - but right now, that would require a pretty horrible end for Theon. I mean, it’s not like his seizure of Winterfell was exactly bloodless, you know? He killed a lot of innocent people he grew up with. I guarantee you will look back on this post with horror. You will come back to assure us that Jebus Cripeney, you didn’t mean _all that._ ---
**Author:** ![drastic\_quench](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e36b37/32.png) [@drastic\_quench](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drastic_quench)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2012, 12:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-2-open-spoilers-discussion-thread/617008/92 "2012-04-07T00:33:16Z")
You guys are in agreement that Martin directly implied that Theon’s dick was either cut off or flayed, right? I was on another message board that was very ambivalent on the subject. Fucking Boltons… and I thought Michael was as bad as they come. I do hope the show portrays Theon’s gradual descent into being both a captive of his own troops and his slide into betrayal. It was VERY reminiscent of Jake Spoon from Lonesome Dove. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2012, 1:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-2-open-spoilers-discussion-thread/617008/93 "2012-04-07T01:09:57Z")
It was certainly hinted at but i am not 100% confident it was true. ---
**Author:** ![TruCelt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/trucelt/32/523_2.png) [@TruCelt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TruCelt)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2012, 2:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-2-open-spoilers-discussion-thread/617008/94 "2012-04-07T02:04:41Z")
> [@drastic\_quench](#): > > You guys are in agreement that Martin directly implied that Theon’s dick was either cut off or flayed, right? I was on another message board that was very ambivalent on the subject. > > . . . I just read that early this morning. Yeah, I can’t imagine what else it could refer to. I’ma girl and I stil crossed my legs when I read it. I’ll spoiler this - don’t look if you’re not there yet. “Lord Ramsay treats his captives honorably so long as they keep faith with him” _He has only taken toes and fingers and **that other thing,** when he might have had my tongue, or peeled the skin off my legs from heel to thigh._ “Yield up your swords to him and you will live.” I’d be interested to hear what other explanations people have? Is it like, the metaphysical “self” ? ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2012, 3:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-2-open-spoilers-discussion-thread/617008/95 "2012-04-07T03:00:51Z")
It wasn’t just that, the wedding night scene also implied it. ---
**Author:** ![AuntiePam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f19dbf/32.png) [@AuntiePam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AuntiePam)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2012, 3:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-2-open-spoilers-discussion-thread/617008/96 "2012-04-07T03:20:12Z")
I’m in a Reek chapter now too. Loss of “the other thing” might explain why he refuses a bath, when Roose Bolton rescues him (at least I’m hoping it’s a rescue, even if it’s only temporary). Man’s still got some pride, whether or not he realizes it. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2012, 2:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-2-open-spoilers-discussion-thread/617008/97 "2012-04-09T02:37:33Z")
Davos an atheist? not quite sure i like that. ---
**Author:** ![drastic\_quench](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e36b37/32.png) [@drastic\_quench](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drastic_quench)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2012, 4:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-2-open-spoilers-discussion-thread/617008/98 "2012-04-09T04:11:01Z")
Isn’t "Stannis is my god’ from the books? It felt like it was from the books, regardless. Salladohor Saan, when he said “Salladohor Saan is good name for songs,” reminded me of Samir Nagheenanajar from Office Space. Same delivery. ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2012, 4:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-2-open-spoilers-discussion-thread/617008/99 "2012-04-09T04:21:38Z")
> [@drastic\_quench](#): > > Isn’t "Stannis is my god’ from the books? It felt like it was from the books, regardless. > > Salladohor Saan, when he said “Salladohor Saan is good name for songs,” reminded me of Samir Nagheenanajar from Office Space. Same delivery. It’s from the books, but Davos says it to Salladhor. Speaking of Salladhor, I thought he was great. This episode is getting extra nerdrage that I don’t really understand. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2012, 12:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-2-open-spoilers-discussion-thread/617008/100 "2012-04-09T12:30:26Z")
It is from the books, but Davos was also a devout follower of the seven. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-2-open-spoilers-discussion-thread/617008.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-2-open-spoilers-discussion-thread/617008.md?page=6)