# Game of Thrones Season 2 - OPEN SPOILERS Discussion Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [March 28, 2012, 1:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-2-open-spoilers-discussion-thread/617008 "2012-03-28T01:53:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![bouv](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bc8723/32.png) [@bouv](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bouv)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2012, 2:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-2-open-spoilers-discussion-thread/617008/141 "2012-04-16T02:45:50Z")
> [@Snarky\_Kong](#): > > The dude that took Needle wasn’t the tickler, was he? He looked too memorable. The Tickler didn’t take Needle, and we don’t meet him until they get to that small village on the way to Harrenhal. That was Raff the Sweetling, I think…or maybe Polliver? ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2012, 2:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-2-open-spoilers-discussion-thread/617008/142 "2012-04-16T02:48:22Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > The point that she was still a virgin was specifically brought up when she was betrothed to Joffrey. Based on her word. Of course you’re going to claim that your daughter that you’re selling is a virgin. ---
**Author:** ![radiophonic\_oddity](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/9de053/32.png) [@radiophonic\_oddity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/radiophonic_oddity)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2012, 9:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-2-open-spoilers-discussion-thread/617008/143 "2012-04-16T09:17:29Z")
> [@Snarky\_Kong](#): > > The dude that took Needle wasn’t the tickler, was he? He looked too memorable. On the show, the same man took Needle and killed Lommy. In the book, Raff the Sweetling killed Lommy and Polliver takes Needle and Gendry’s bull helmet. I’m curious to see if any of Gregor Clegane’s armsmen get named in the show and if we’ll get to meet everyone on Arya’s prayer list. ---
**Author:** ![bouv](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bc8723/32.png) [@bouv](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bouv)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2012, 2:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-2-open-spoilers-discussion-thread/617008/144 "2012-04-16T14:32:27Z")
> [@radiophonic\_oddity](#): > > On the show, the same man took Needle and killed Lommy. In the book, Raff the Sweetling killed Lommy and Polliver takes Needle and Gendry’s bull helmet. > > I’m curious to see if any of Gregor Clegane’s armsmen get named in the show and if we’ll get to meet everyone on Arya’s prayer list. They’ll probably combine Raff and Polliver…in fact, with the same character both taking Needle and killing Lommy it seems like they already have. It makes sense, there’s no real need to have all of those minor characters. The Tickler is a separate character, though. As for the other ones, we might meet them when they get to Harrenhall…it would be good to get at least a couple of the lesser ones, so that Arya can “waste” two of her three kills on them. I remember her getting upset with herself for choosing Chiswyck and Weese (had to look up their names,) instead of someone more important like The Mountain or Ser Amory. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2012, 2:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-2-open-spoilers-discussion-thread/617008/145 "2012-04-16T14:42:08Z")
Even the mountain and Amory Loch would have been horrible choices when Tywin was right there. I like that they are making Theon more sympathetic also. ---
**Author:** ![drastic\_quench](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e36b37/32.png) [@drastic\_quench](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drastic_quench)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2012, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-2-open-spoilers-discussion-thread/617008/146 "2012-04-16T16:36:58Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > Even the mountain and Amory Loch would have been horrible choices when Tywin was right there. I like that they are making Theon more sympathetic also. That was a MUST. The letter burning scene was sorely needed. Theon from the book makes Patti Hearst look like Switzerland. ---
**Author:** ![hogarth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hogarth/32/1773_2.png) [@hogarth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hogarth)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2012, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-2-open-spoilers-discussion-thread/617008/147 "2012-04-16T17:04:06Z")
I haven’t seen this episode, so can someone explain – what excuse did they use to show Margaery Tyrell topless? Some kind of wedding night scene? ---
**Author:** ![Cowboy8467](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b5e925/32.png) [@Cowboy8467](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cowboy8467)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2012, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-2-open-spoilers-discussion-thread/617008/148 "2012-04-16T17:07:39Z")
> [@hogarth](#): > > I haven’t seen this episode, so can someone explain – what excuse did they use to show Margaery Tyrell topless? Some kind of wedding night scene? Not wedding night, but it did show her trying to seduce him since it had been two weeks since they were married and it still hadn’t been consummated. His men were starting to snigger behind his back. ---
**Author:** ![AuntiePam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f19dbf/32.png) [@AuntiePam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AuntiePam)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2012, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-2-open-spoilers-discussion-thread/617008/149 "2012-04-16T17:37:39Z")
What was in the letter that Theon burned? The show is making me much more sympathetic to him than the books did. So far, anyway. I liked that Tyrion explained to Shae (and the viewers) why he had to keep her presence a secret. Because there he is, doing pretty much whatever he wants (banishing Janos, imprisoning Pycelle), so it might be puzzling that he can’t be public with his woman. ---
**Author:** ![drastic\_quench](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e36b37/32.png) [@drastic\_quench](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drastic_quench)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2012, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-2-open-spoilers-discussion-thread/617008/150 "2012-04-16T17:56:34Z")
> [@AuntiePam](#): > > What was in the letter that Theon burned? > > The show is making me much more sympathetic to him than the books did. So far, anyway. > > I liked that Tyrion explained to Shae (and the viewers) why he had to keep her presence a secret. Because there he is, doing pretty much whatever he wants (banishing Janos, imprisoning Pycelle), so it might be puzzling that he can’t be public with his woman. Everything. It started with “Dear Rob, I hope this letter finds you in time.” And then went onto to detail how his plan failed and his father is going to raid The North. ---
**Author:** ![TruCelt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/trucelt/32/523_2.png) [@TruCelt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TruCelt)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2012, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-2-open-spoilers-discussion-thread/617008/151 "2012-04-16T17:58:05Z")
> [@AuntiePam](#): > > What was in the letter that Theon burned? > > . . . . I couldn’t read much, but it appeared to be a letter warning Rob of the coming attack. The scene showed him dithering, and finally deciding his loyalty was to the Iron Islands. So I switched to FIOS and ordered HBO in no small part because I wanted to see this series - and I have to say I’m disappointed. The shooting is entirely too dark - not sure why they even bothered to build sets! (Or maybe they didn’t? 😉 ) And the soft-pron action is annoying. While the books are fairly vulgar and lusty, Martin doesn’t give us the blow-by-blow, and no one could call them bodice-rippers. I came in late, but Theon was in no way smirky enough IMHO, and I expected him to be well-built but almost metro-sexual. Instead he’s really rather skinny and shaggy. Loved Brienne! I can’t call her ugly, but she’s nailed the manly movements and subtle gestures of a warrior. Sansa is also very well played, as is Arya. Gendry is older than I expected him to be. I haven’t had any issues with the editing yet - they’ve got to make some changes and I reckon they’ve done a reasonable job of it. Only seen two episodes, so reserve the right to recant any of the above! LOL! ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2012, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-2-open-spoilers-discussion-thread/617008/152 "2012-04-16T18:25:08Z")
Robb, I hope this reaches you in time. My father has rejected the offer and plans to attack the North, raiding the shores and taking Deepwood Motte, mobilize your army and make for the North before it’s too late. I’ll write again when i can. Theon ---
**Author:** ![drastic\_quench](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e36b37/32.png) [@drastic\_quench](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drastic_quench)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2012, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-2-open-spoilers-discussion-thread/617008/153 "2012-04-16T18:29:00Z")
P.S. Moustache Kisses ---
**Author:** ![gonzoron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a6a055/32.png) [@gonzoron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzoron)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2012, 6:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-2-open-spoilers-discussion-thread/617008/154 "2012-04-16T18:42:07Z")
> [@drastic\_quench](#): > > P.S. > > Moustache Kisses LOL.😃 ---
**Author:** ![Jilaad](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e8c25b/32.png) [@Jilaad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jilaad)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2012, 3:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-2-open-spoilers-discussion-thread/617008/155 "2012-04-17T03:38:29Z")
Regarding Margery’s virginity, there was an exchange in this episode (I forgot between who) that went something like: Person A: Is she still a virgin? Person B: “Officially” she is. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2012, 5:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-2-open-spoilers-discussion-thread/617008/156 "2012-04-17T05:15:08Z")
> [@TruCelt](#): > > The shooting is entirely too dark - not sure why they even bothered to build sets! (Or maybe they didn’t? 😉 ) Yes, why not show a black screen and have the actors read their parts? :mad: ---
**Author:** ![Emiliana](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f0a364/32.png) [@Emiliana](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Emiliana)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2012, 4:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-2-open-spoilers-discussion-thread/617008/157 "2012-04-17T16:06:46Z")
Hi all, new poster. Was Theon baptized to the Drowned God in the book? I thought the baptisms involved actual drowning (what is dead can never die) or at least submersion to the point of passing out. ---
**Author:** ![TruCelt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/trucelt/32/523_2.png) [@TruCelt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TruCelt)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2012, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-2-open-spoilers-discussion-thread/617008/158 "2012-04-17T16:41:43Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > Robb, > I hope this reaches you in time. My father > has rejected the offer and plans to attack > the North, raiding the shores and taking > Deepwood Motte, mobilize your army and > make for the North before it’s too late. > I’ll write again when i can. > > Theon Come to think of it - how could he have sent it? Did Balon have a Maester? I doubt it. And even if he did, don’t the Maesters read everything they send? ---
**Author:** ![gonzoron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a6a055/32.png) [@gonzoron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzoron)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2012, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-2-open-spoilers-discussion-thread/617008/159 "2012-04-17T17:07:56Z")
> [@Emiliana](#): > > Hi all, new poster. > > Was Theon baptized to the Drowned God in the book? I thought the baptisms involved actual drowning (what is dead can never die) or at least submersion to the point of passing out. According to [towerofthehand.com](http://towerofthehand.com): > [@](#): > > he priests of the faith are served by the drowned men who aid them and protect them. They wear robes of mottled blue, green, and gray and carry cudgels. To become a drowned man, a man must be drowned in the sea and resuscitated by a priest. Every newborn used to be drowned in this manner, but now they are usually just quickly dipped in a tub of seawater. So it seems that nowadays, a regular baptism suffices for the laymen. The drowning/CPR thing is only for the drowned men who serve the priests. (Still, would have been cool to see that in the show, I think) ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2012, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-2-open-spoilers-discussion-thread/617008/160 "2012-04-17T17:12:33Z")
> [@TruCelt](#): > > Come to think of it - how could he have sent it? Did Balon have a Maester? I doubt it. And even if he did, don’t the Maesters read everything they send? The Ironborn keep Maesters. Victarion has one on his ship until late in ADWD. They shouldn’t read any of the letters. Lords would seal letters before sending them, the recipient would know if the seal was broken. (minor) Spoiler for Winds of Winter In the Theon chapter it was said that ravens only fly to one location. So this basically would mean that a moving army would be impossible to reach via raven. I think that’s a mistake on Martin’s part since it makes the logistics nearly impossible. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-2-open-spoilers-discussion-thread/617008.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-2-open-spoilers-discussion-thread/617008.md?page=9)