# Game of Thrones Season 4: \[Fully And Openly Spoiled - See Sticky\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [April 2, 2014, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-4-fully-and-openly-spoiled-see-sticky/685175 "2014-04-02T16:18:14Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 14
**Author:** ![Alba](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ea666f/32.png) [@Alba](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alba)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2014, 2:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-4-fully-and-openly-spoiled-see-sticky/685175/261 "2014-04-25T14:38:28Z")
> [@Kobal2](#): > > Yeah, he’s supposed to be Fabio from the last few eps of last season. > And yes, he doesn’t match the book descriptions (neither did Fabio, come to that), but then again he would look \*tremendously \*silly with blue hair, a triple-pronged beard and a golden moustache :). When I read the books I always imagined him to look like a more colourful [Loomis Fall](http://1.fwcdn.pl/p/57/05/295705/264644.1.jpg) (Jackass) That’s also the reason why I couldn’t imagine any woman, let alone Dany, finding him attractive. ---
**Author:** ![SecretaryofEvil](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e95f7d/32.png) [@SecretaryofEvil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SecretaryofEvil)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2014, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-4-fully-and-openly-spoiled-see-sticky/685175/262 "2014-04-25T18:17:51Z")
I think new Daario is better looking than old Daario, but old Daario was more dramatic looking. New Daario has a decent rugged sexiness thing going on; he’s basically just Jorah but 20 years younger. But book Daario wasn’t anything like that, he was a pretty boy peacock. Book Daario is also really useless, I don’t think he ever manages to kill anyone who isn’t a member of his own company. I’ve long maintained that Dany likes Daario precisely because he’s so useless. Being born a princess, it was basically Dany’s destiny to marry someone who was politically useful to her family’s cause. And her brother forced her to do just that. Now that she’s finally got some real power, fucking someone who’s pretty but useless represents the freedom and agency that was denied to her by Viserys. The lack of freedom and agency in her youth is also why Dany sympathizes so strongly with slaves. ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2014, 2:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-4-fully-and-openly-spoiled-see-sticky/685175/263 "2014-04-28T02:05:05Z")
Well, that’s some new information (possibly, I guess) about the Others. Bryan Cogman is generally very close to the books, so I wonder if he got that information from GRRM. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2014, 2:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-4-fully-and-openly-spoiled-see-sticky/685175/264 "2014-04-28T02:05:06Z")
What the fuck just happened? ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2014, 2:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-4-fully-and-openly-spoiled-see-sticky/685175/265 "2014-04-28T02:06:08Z")
> [@Snarky\_Kong](#): > > Well, that’s some new information (possibly, I guess) about the Others. Bryan Cogman is generally very close to the books, so I wonder if he got that information from GRRM. Wait, did the show just have a book spoiler? lol. ---
**Author:** ![Biggirl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biggirl/32/3294_2.png) [@Biggirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biggirl)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2014, 2:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-4-fully-and-openly-spoiled-see-sticky/685175/266 "2014-04-28T02:13:29Z")
The Wall is so boring they added cannibals and snowbabies. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2014, 2:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-4-fully-and-openly-spoiled-see-sticky/685175/267 "2014-04-28T02:13:42Z")
Good episode. Good way to add drama with Bran and co getting captured. Though, in the books, virtually no one knows Bran is alive (only Theon and Sam [who kept it secret even from Jon, I believe] among major characters IIRC), so it’s interesting that, now, several people know (Ramsay, Roose, Locke, the mutineers, Jon Snow!, Sam). Also like the White Walker king stuff. But… boy do they look like Nazgul! ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2014, 2:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-4-fully-and-openly-spoiled-see-sticky/685175/268 "2014-04-28T02:18:13Z")
This episode probably had the most and biggest changes from the books out of any episode. The Ser Pounce reference was pretty sweet though. I liked Littlefinger’s scene too. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2014, 2:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-4-fully-and-openly-spoiled-see-sticky/685175/269 "2014-04-28T02:18:54Z")
Ramsay knew in the books, it was his idea in the first place. And the mutineers found out when Summer ate them. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2014, 2:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-4-fully-and-openly-spoiled-see-sticky/685175/270 "2014-04-28T02:21:17Z")
Right about Ramsay, though the mutineers weren’t particularly important in the books after the mutiny. Slight nitpick – in the books, there’s no way the dire wolves would get captured so easily (IIRC, the wolves routinely and pretty easily can kill multiple armed men by themselves), but I guess they’re powered down a bit for the show. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2014, 2:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-4-fully-and-openly-spoiled-see-sticky/685175/271 "2014-04-28T02:22:40Z")
Oathkeeper stuff with Brienne was done very well. And I’m very glad to see that Pod will be joining her! ---
**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2014, 3:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-4-fully-and-openly-spoiled-see-sticky/685175/272 "2014-04-28T03:02:51Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Oathkeeper stuff with Brienne was done very well. And I’m very glad to see that Pod will be joining her! In her farewell to Jamie scene, he is wearing his sword on his left hip…dunno how the hell he expects to be able to draw it with his left hand… ---
**Author:** ![Enderw24](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ba9def/32.png) [@Enderw24](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enderw24)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2014, 3:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-4-fully-and-openly-spoiled-see-sticky/685175/273 "2014-04-28T03:31:16Z")
Wow. A lot of huge changes from the book. Did Jaime visit Tyrion in captivity before he broke Tyrion out at the end? Because in the book Tyrion’s pissed off at everyone and emotional over having to kill his dad and Shae (who I’m guessing will also still be offed at the end of this season). So when Jaime asks him if he killed Joffrey, Tyrion screams “yes!” But here, he’s already been asked by Jaime, and he’s (mostly) denied it and Jaime believes him. So are they going to change this ending? Right now, in the books, it doesn’t seem to make much of a difference since they don’t see each other again. But it has the potential to be a huge shift from the book. ---
**Author:** ![magnusblitz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b4bc9f/32.png) [@magnusblitz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magnusblitz)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2014, 5:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-4-fully-and-openly-spoiled-see-sticky/685175/274 "2014-04-28T05:47:45Z")
> [@Snarky\_Kong](#): > > This episode probably had the most and biggest changes from the books out of any episode. I think so too. It’s been a long time since I’ve read ASOS, but I know that 1) Vargo Hoat (who Locke replaces) never went anywhere near the Wall, and 2) Bran and company never got captured by the mutineers. Looking up some info on the wiki, apparently the mutineers just hung out at Craster’s until Coldhands killed them, so it looks like the show is just finding a more interesting way to handle them (which is fine with me - Bran’s plotline in the book is horribly paced in the books at this point). Really interested in seeing where the Locke stuff goes. > [@Oakminster](#): > > In her farewell to Jamie scene, he is wearing his sword on his left hip…dunno how the hell he expects to be able to draw it with his left hand… Isn’t that how you wear a sword, though? You pull it out across your body? A sword that length would be difficult to pull out extending your arm on the same side of your body as the sheath. ---
**Author:** ![Charlie\_Wayne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/4bbf92/32.png) [@Charlie\_Wayne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Charlie_Wayne)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2014, 5:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-4-fully-and-openly-spoiled-see-sticky/685175/275 "2014-04-28T05:55:16Z")
> [@Enderw24](#): > > Wow. A lot of huge changes from the book. > Did Jaime visit Tyrion in captivity before he broke Tyrion out at the end? Because in the book Tyrion’s pissed off at everyone and emotional over having to kill his dad and Shae (who I’m guessing will also still be offed at the end of this season). So when Jaime asks him if he killed Joffrey, Tyrion screams “yes!” > > But here, he’s already been asked by Jaime, and he’s (mostly) denied it and Jaime believes him. So are they going to change this ending? Right now, in the books, it doesn’t seem to make much of a difference since they don’t see each other again. But it has the potential to be a huge shift from the book. A lot of huge changes from the book indicates to me that the show runners are planning to implement some of the major events in this season and maybe next in the next episode or two. I fully expect the show runners know what they’re doing and as such we can expect a couple of excellent episodes in the next week or two. It’s just my opinion, but the only weakness I would point to in this episode is LittleFinger’s role. He could have done what he needed in just a few lines. There was no need for him to spend that much time telling Sansa that he had a large part in Joffrey’s murder. No need for that at all because he didn’t really say much more of anything important beyond that. Given that he admitted to having a large role in the murder, everything else he said was kind of obvious and it wasn’t really necessary to string it out in so many words. ---
**Author:** ![drastic\_quench](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e36b37/32.png) [@drastic\_quench](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drastic_quench)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2014, 6:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-4-fully-and-openly-spoiled-see-sticky/685175/276 "2014-04-28T06:02:02Z")
> [@Oakminster](#): > > In her farewell to Jamie scene, he is wearing his sword on his left hip…dunno how the hell he expects to be able to draw it with his left hand… Dagger is on his left hip, sword’s on his right hip. There’s no error. > [@Game of Thrones 4.04 "Oathkeeper" 4/27/14 \[No Spoilers\]](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-04-oathkeeper-4-27-14-no-spoilers/687153/12): > > You’ve pointed this out in both threads but you’re wrong. [See here](http://s23.postimg.org/68s04vp3f/Jaime.png). He has a dagger on his left hip, his sword is on his right. ---
**Author:** ![AK84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85e7bf/32.png) [@AK84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AK84)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2014, 3:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-4-fully-and-openly-spoiled-see-sticky/685175/277 "2014-04-28T15:05:22Z")
Ok, I am pretty sure Bran did not get caught in the books at all. And when is Lady Stoneheart coming…this season or the next. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2014, 3:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-4-fully-and-openly-spoiled-see-sticky/685175/278 "2014-04-28T15:08:44Z")
Should’ve been last season. ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2014, 3:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-4-fully-and-openly-spoiled-see-sticky/685175/279 "2014-04-28T15:13:08Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > Should’ve been last season. I disagree. It was too close to the red wedding. This season is mostly the end of ASOS, and she appears in the epilogue, so it fits. I’d really like them to do the big events (red viper, tyrion’s escape, lysa, and lady sto eheart) exactly as they are in the books. They’re very good scenes. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2014, 3:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-4-fully-and-openly-spoiled-see-sticky/685175/280 "2014-04-28T15:14:34Z")
Can’t wait for the final Tyrion/Shae/Tywin confrontation, plus the non-reader reactions! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-4-fully-and-openly-spoiled-see-sticky/685175.md?page=13) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-4-fully-and-openly-spoiled-see-sticky/685175.md?page=15)