# Game of Thrones Season 4: \[Fully And Openly Spoiled - See Sticky\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [April 2, 2014, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-4-fully-and-openly-spoiled-see-sticky/685175 "2014-04-02T16:18:14Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 17
**Author:** ![HazelNutCoffee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ac91a4/32.png) [@HazelNutCoffee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HazelNutCoffee)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2014, 12:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-4-fully-and-openly-spoiled-see-sticky/685175/321 "2014-04-29T00:39:00Z")
Also the Others are really ugly on the show. One of my favorite stories in the books was the one about the Stark who shagged an Other and fell under her spell, and his own brother had to defeat him. No one would want to shag the White Walkers. They look like frozen versions of the skinless anatomy models you see in labs. ---
**Author:** ![drastic\_quench](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e36b37/32.png) [@drastic\_quench](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drastic_quench)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2014, 12:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-4-fully-and-openly-spoiled-see-sticky/685175/322 "2014-04-29T00:42:53Z")
> [@AK84](#): > > What are there plans wrt to Martins dilatory attempts to finish the book. At the rate we are going the last book will be the novelisation of the latter parts of the show. Martin told the showrunners the broadstrokes all the way to the very end. Yes, I 100% guarantee the show will lap the books. I seriously doubt the final book is on the shelves anytime before 2020. I bet there’s a 50/50 chance Martin never finishes the series period owing to health, disinterest, and/or dithering. ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2014, 12:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-4-fully-and-openly-spoiled-see-sticky/685175/323 "2014-04-29T00:47:41Z")
> [@HazelNutCoffee](#): > > Also the Others are really ugly on the show. One of my favorite stories in the books was the one about the Stark who shagged an Other and fell under her spell, and his own brother had to defeat him. No one would want to shag the White Walkers. They look like frozen versions of the skinless anatomy models you see in labs. Spoiler for something that wasn’t in the books yet, potentially a big deal: Apparently the HBO viewer guide synopsis for last episode said that that was the Night’s King. It’s since been changed. So, either that’s an error in the synopsis, or they just aired a potentially huge spoiler. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2014, 12:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-4-fully-and-openly-spoiled-see-sticky/685175/324 "2014-04-29T00:55:32Z")
> [@Snarky\_Kong](#): > > Spoiler for something that wasn’t in the books yet, potentially a big deal: > > Apparently the HBO viewer guide synopsis for last episode said that that was the Night’s King. It’s since been changed. So, either that’s an error in the synopsis, or they just aired a potentially huge spoiler. Well it WAS wearing black. ---
**Author:** ![thelurkinghorror](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7c8e57/32.png) [@thelurkinghorror](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thelurkinghorror)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2014, 1:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-4-fully-and-openly-spoiled-see-sticky/685175/325 "2014-04-29T01:09:33Z")
> [@HazelNutCoffee](#): > > Did Robb legitimized Jon on the show? I know he did in the books, but I can’t remember if that ever took place on TV. Did he? I thought he just talked about it with his mom and promptly got whacked. Did the messages get out? Were the ravens given letters signed in triplicate? Also legitimize usually means “Jon Stark,” I honestly don’t remember the exact goal except to try to cut Tyrion’s claim off (as if he had anything to do with it). > [@Snarky\_Kong](#): > > Spoiler for something that wasn’t in the books yet, potentially a big deal: > > Apparently the HBO viewer guide synopsis for last episode said that that was the Night’s King. It’s since been changed. So, either that’s an error in the synopsis, or they just aired a potentially huge spoiler. [Yahoo’s front page](http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/04/28/game-of-thrones-spoiler_n_5227515.html?ncid=txtlnkusaolp00000592) 😃 It doesn’t seem that terribly spoiled to me but I don’t know. At least it didn’t turn out he was Hodor leading the WW army and also is Keyser Söze. > [@DigitalC](#): > > Well it WAS wearing black. I’d hope he hit a target in the last 8000 years and got a polo or something. ---
**Author:** ![Biggirl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biggirl/32/3294_2.png) [@Biggirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biggirl)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2014, 1:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-4-fully-and-openly-spoiled-see-sticky/685175/326 "2014-04-29T01:19:13Z")
There are spoiled box spoilers of a spoiler that even spoiled people who are all the way spoiled. Way meta. ---
**Author:** ![Fair\_Rarity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fair_rarity/32/153_2.png) [@Fair\_Rarity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fair_Rarity)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2014, 1:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-4-fully-and-openly-spoiled-see-sticky/685175/327 "2014-04-29T01:38:38Z")
Re: that spoiler. I guess it was changed on the HBO site. My guess is someone didn’t understand the differences and made an honest mistake by using the wrong words. I’m not enjoying the changes this season. I’m not a book purist, but I don’t feel that the showrunners get it any more. Last week’s rape/not rape fumbling really turned me off. Changes are fine. Changes can actually even be better (Jaime and Bronn, for example), but it just is striking me as changes for changes’ sake. Like it’s more important to make it their own than to tell a story that makes sense and stays relatively faithful to the source material. Plus with all these changes… people are freaking out, saying “Wow, the show is spoiling the books now” kind of thing, but I can’t help but wonder if the WW stuff was completely made up (even if it was my head canon anyway). After some of their other liberties, who’s to say that this and future “What the hell was that?” episodes are going to be based on things GRRM has told them or just invented by them? So I’m not too worried about the show spoiling the books, as we’ve seen how much they deviate already. ---
**Author:** ![drastic\_quench](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e36b37/32.png) [@drastic\_quench](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drastic_quench)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2014, 2:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-4-fully-and-openly-spoiled-see-sticky/685175/328 "2014-04-29T02:32:15Z")
> [@Fair\_Rarity](#): > > Re: that spoiler. I guess it was changed on the HBO site. My guess is someone didn’t understand the differences and made an honest mistake by using the wrong words. > > I’m not enjoying the changes this season. I’m not a book purist, but I don’t feel that the showrunners get it any more. Last week’s rape/not rape fumbling really turned me off. Changes are fine. Changes can actually even be better (Jaime and Bronn, for example), but it just is striking me as changes for changes’ sake. Like it’s more important to make it their own than to tell a story that makes sense and stays relatively faithful to the source material. > > Plus with all these changes… people are freaking out, saying “Wow, the show is spoiling the books now” kind of thing, but I can’t help but wonder if the WW stuff was completely made up (even if it was my head canon anyway). After some of their other liberties, who’s to say that this and future “What the hell was that?” episodes are going to be based on things GRRM has told them or just invented by them? So I’m not too worried about the show spoiling the books, as we’ve seen how much they deviate already. The showrunners know how it all ends, so they get a huge pass from me. In the Martin’s outline, perhaps they thought that the pacing was way off and this guy needed introduced sooner. That would not be the first time a character intro has felt way too late in the game ala Aegon. ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2014, 2:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-4-fully-and-openly-spoiled-see-sticky/685175/329 "2014-04-29T02:37:30Z")
> [@drastic\_quench](#): > > The showrunners know how it all ends, so they get a huge pass from me. In the Martin’s outline, perhaps they thought that the pacing was way off and this guy needed introduced sooner. That would not be the first time a character intro has felt way too late in the game ala Aegon. I hate Aegon’s introduction so late (as well as being another character thought dead, but is alive) if he’s legitimate. I think most evidence points towards him being an impostor, in which case I’m pretty ok with his introduction. ---
**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2014, 4:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-4-fully-and-openly-spoiled-see-sticky/685175/330 "2014-04-29T04:15:43Z")
> [@Neverending\_Elbow](#): > > I’m pretty sure she did do Lancel. Tyrion even threatened him with lettign Jaime know about it. She did, unless anyone has a better explanation as to why he was hanging out naked in her quarters with her. > [@drastic\_quench](#): > > [Imgur: The magic of the Internet](https://i.imgur.com/6QZEgjl.jpg) 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![ISiddiqui](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/97f17d/32.png) [@ISiddiqui](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ISiddiqui)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2014, 4:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-4-fully-and-openly-spoiled-see-sticky/685175/331 "2014-04-29T04:19:10Z")
> [@Ambrosio\_Spinola](#): > > It also seemed massively out of character for _Tywin_ as well. Sure, he was duplicitous and possibly hypocritical, but there was absolutely nothing in the books which suggested that his dislike of prostitutes was a facade. I think the writers of the show have an opportunity to improve on the books here, although I wonder if they will try. I dunno. His wife has been dead for how many years? And we are to assume Tywin has been chaste since then? I don’t buy that. I think Tywin was more concerned with how unsubtle Tyrion was with his whoring. ---
**Author:** ![thelurkinghorror](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7c8e57/32.png) [@thelurkinghorror](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thelurkinghorror)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2014, 5:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-4-fully-and-openly-spoiled-see-sticky/685175/332 "2014-04-29T05:37:30Z")
> [@Biggirl](#): > > There are spoiled box spoilers of a spoiler that even spoiled people who are all the way spoiled. Way meta. I don’t know if they needed to be boxed originally, but I don’t want to be the guy who responded to a box with a spoiler. Also: There is no spoiler. Except on a car. Aegon = Aegon the would-be VI? His aunt has the army. Or had, who knows. Tywin: isn’t it more that he hates money+sex than sex? ---
**Author:** ![TruCelt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/trucelt/32/523_2.png) [@TruCelt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TruCelt)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2014, 2:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-4-fully-and-openly-spoiled-see-sticky/685175/333 "2014-04-29T14:54:13Z")
Love the name “Illiteratti” ROFL! As for Petyr/Littlefinger’s motivation, remember he said “Chaos is a ladder.” The more the kingdom is in flux, the more opportunity he has to rise. Also remember Lord Varys’ statement “Littlefinger would burn this kingdom to the ground if he could be king of the ashes.” Petyr is ambition incarnate. ---
**Author:** ![AK84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85e7bf/32.png) [@AK84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AK84)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2014, 6:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-4-fully-and-openly-spoiled-see-sticky/685175/334 "2014-04-29T18:28:31Z")
So, the NightsKing. Wonder if the show is going to start with more book spoilers. Like stating outright that Jon Snow is Lyanna and Rhaeghar’s son? ---
**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2014, 12:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-4-fully-and-openly-spoiled-see-sticky/685175/335 "2014-04-30T00:58:52Z")
> [@ISiddiqui](#): > > I dunno. His wife has been dead for how many years? And we are to assume Tywin has been chaste since then? I don’t buy that. > > I think Tywin was more concerned with how unsubtle Tyrion was with his whoring. I agree. That and Tywin actually falling in love with Shae. Otherwise it would mean Tywin is just randomly pious on sexual morality (which be odd given what happened with Tyrion’s “wife”). Either way it’s strange that Tywin never remarried and tied begetting another male heir. Unless of course he’s impotent or sterile. ---
**Author:** ![Fair\_Rarity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fair_rarity/32/153_2.png) [@Fair\_Rarity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fair_Rarity)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2014, 1:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-4-fully-and-openly-spoiled-see-sticky/685175/336 "2014-04-30T01:36:05Z")
> [@Snarky\_Kong](#): > > I hate Aegon’s introduction so late (as well as being another character thought dead, but is alive) if he’s legitimate. I think most evidence points towards him being an impostor, in which case I’m pretty ok with his introduction. I go back and forth so much about Aegon. I thought he was fake right up until I read _The Princess and the Queen, or, the Blacks and the Greens_ from _Dangerous Women_. Dragons only take to one rider, who must be a Targ. Dany has three dragons. One for her, one for resurrected, exiled R+L=Jon, and an empty one. (lalala I can’t hear you about Greyjoys and their dragon horn. Fuck that shit, unless Tyrion ends up using the horn). So who rides the third? Aegon’s the only other Targ we know of. Plus I started really thinking about “The Mummer’s Dragon.” I was always thinking that the dragon was a mummer also, but I’m starting to think it’s straight up possessive; it means Varys’s dragon, not the actor and his fake dragon. At least that’s what I think today. ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2014, 2:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-4-fully-and-openly-spoiled-see-sticky/685175/337 "2014-04-30T02:23:29Z")
Could Bran warg into a dragon? Something I’ve been thinking about since reading the books. I can understand that dragons might be resistant to your typical warg, or we would have heard tales of dragons controlled by wargs. So I imagine that it’s considered unthinkable. But it’s been established that Bran is not your average warg. Imagine what a dragon could do if it was fully under the control of a warg. It would be like taking a jet fighter with unlimited ammunition and gas back to the middle ages. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2014, 2:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-4-fully-and-openly-spoiled-see-sticky/685175/338 "2014-04-30T02:27:39Z")
I actually think warging into them is the only way to really control them. ---
**Author:** ![drastic\_quench](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e36b37/32.png) [@drastic\_quench](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drastic_quench)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2014, 3:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-4-fully-and-openly-spoiled-see-sticky/685175/339 "2014-04-30T03:00:53Z")
Euron’s horn seems legit. ---
**Author:** ![ISiddiqui](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/97f17d/32.png) [@ISiddiqui](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ISiddiqui)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2014, 3:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-4-fully-and-openly-spoiled-see-sticky/685175/340 "2014-04-30T03:17:52Z")
> [@Fair\_Rarity](#): > > I go back and forth so much about Aegon. I thought he was fake right up until I read _The Princess and the Queen, or, the Blacks and the Greens_ from _Dangerous Women_. Dragons only take to one rider, who must be a Targ. Dany has three dragons. One for her, one for resurrected, exiled R+L=Jon, and an empty one. (lalala I can’t hear you about Greyjoys and their dragon horn. Fuck that shit, unless Tyrion ends up using the horn). So who rides the third? Aegon’s the only other Targ we know of. There is also the rumor that Tyrion is the result of rape of Joanna (was it Joanna?) Lannister by the Mad King. But I think Aegon is a good a guess of a Targaryen as any. > [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > Could Bran warg into a dragon? Something I’ve been thinking about since reading the books. I can understand that dragons might be resistant to your typical warg, or we would have heard tales of dragons controlled by wargs. So I imagine that it’s considered unthinkable. But it’s been established that Bran is not your average warg. Holy Shit! I think you just blew my mind because I literally did not even consider that… and now that Bran is greenseer and will likely have mega-warg powers… whoa… [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-4-fully-and-openly-spoiled-see-sticky/685175.md?page=16) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-4-fully-and-openly-spoiled-see-sticky/685175.md?page=18)