# Game of Thrones Season 4: \[Fully And Openly Spoiled - See Sticky\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [April 2, 2014, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-4-fully-and-openly-spoiled-see-sticky/685175 "2014-04-02T16:18:14Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 19
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2014, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-4-fully-and-openly-spoiled-see-sticky/685175/361 "2014-05-05T16:27:08Z")
Lysa brings up all the jin arryn murder business right before lkttlefinger throws her out the moon door. ---
**Author:** ![AuntiePam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f19dbf/32.png) [@AuntiePam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AuntiePam)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2014, 4:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-4-fully-and-openly-spoiled-see-sticky/685175/362 "2014-05-05T16:28:26Z")
I remember the reveal that Lysa poisoned Jon Arryn, but I don’t remember that it was Littlefinger’s idea. I thought she poisoned him because he (or someone) wanted Robyn to be removed from the Eyrie and sent to be a ward of some lord. ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2014, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-4-fully-and-openly-spoiled-see-sticky/685175/363 "2014-05-05T17:04:36Z")
Yeah, that’s how I remember it too. I didn’t think Littlefinger was involved in that at all. And I don’t remember the role of the Tyrells in the murder of Joffrey ever being revealed in the books either. I assume we would have learned that in the next book(s) in the series, as George RR Martin has to approve these changes. I guess maybe it was decided that leaving the mystery open for a long time wouldn’t work on TV. Or they’re collapsing story lines to make things move better. ---
**Author:** ![AClockworkMelon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aclockworkmelon/32/10803_2.png) [@AClockworkMelon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AClockworkMelon)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2014, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-4-fully-and-openly-spoiled-see-sticky/685175/364 "2014-05-05T17:09:05Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > George RR Martin has to approve these changes. Nope. I recall he mentioned in one of the audience interviews on Youtube that they have him to advise but they don’t actually _have_ to answer to him. They have the freedom to do more-or-less as they please. ---
**Author:** ![Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f475e1/32.png) [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jimmy_Chitwood)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2014, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-4-fully-and-openly-spoiled-see-sticky/685175/365 "2014-05-05T17:27:21Z")
Littlefinger’s role in the poisoning is explicit in the book: [QUOTE=Storm of Swords, Sansa] “Tears, tears, tears,” she sobbed hysterically. “No need for tears . . . but that’s not what you said in King’s Landing. You told me to put the tears in Jon’s wine, and I did. For Robert, and for us! And I wrote Catelyn and told her the Lannisters had killed my lord husband, just as you said. That was so clever . . . you were always clever, I told Father that, I said Petyr’s so clever, he’ll rise high, he will, he will, and he’s sweet and gentle and I have his little baby in my belly . . . Why did you kiss her? Why? We’re together now, we’re together after so long, so very long, why would you want to kiss herrrrrr?” [/QUOTE] ---
**Author:** ![TruCelt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/trucelt/32/523_2.png) [@TruCelt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TruCelt)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2014, 7:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-4-fully-and-openly-spoiled-see-sticky/685175/366 "2014-05-05T19:29:54Z")
On second viewing I caught Littlefinger’s comment about the necklace “it was something my new friends wanted very much.” Thus Olenna’s strange necklace hunt. She knew such a thing existed in the city, and was trying to find it. Why Littlefinger crushed a second stone before he tossed it in with Dontos is a mystery to me. He definitely set up Dontos and Sansa, as the necklace will now be found with him, and it would be ridiculous to think nobody noticed her leaving with him. But why the second crushing? ---
**Author:** ![AuntiePam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f19dbf/32.png) [@AuntiePam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AuntiePam)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2014, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-4-fully-and-openly-spoiled-see-sticky/685175/367 "2014-05-05T20:28:23Z")
> [@TruCelt](#): > > But why the second crushing? That was odd. Because we not only didn’t see Lady Olenna put it in Joffrey’s cup, we certainly didn’t see her crushing it. Maybe it didn’t mean anything at all. ---
**Author:** ![madmonk28](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madmonk28/32/20811_2.png) [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2014, 8:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-4-fully-and-openly-spoiled-see-sticky/685175/368 "2014-05-05T20:40:45Z")
I assumed the crushing was to show Sansa that the gems were just worthless glass. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2014, 9:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-4-fully-and-openly-spoiled-see-sticky/685175/369 "2014-05-05T21:10:41Z")
Well, we won’t get Vargo Hoat’s gruesome end. And the way they’re changing Bronn’s arc, I suppose we won’t get his defeat of Ser Balman Byrch. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2014, 9:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-4-fully-and-openly-spoiled-see-sticky/685175/370 "2014-05-05T21:59:01Z")
And it looks like there won’t be room in the show for a character I listed after – Taena Merryweather ---
**Author:** ![Fair\_Rarity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fair_rarity/32/153_2.png) [@Fair\_Rarity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fair_Rarity)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2014, 1:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-4-fully-and-openly-spoiled-see-sticky/685175/371 "2014-05-06T01:48:16Z")
LF and Lysa can have it out again when he presumably chucks her out the moon door in a few weeks. Reading some other reactions today, some people suggest it was done yesterday so it won’t be too much too fast when he chucks her. When you’re reading, even if you’re a fast reader, it takes more time than on screen sometimes with all the “she said” stuff that is unspoken in tv. So those breaks give you a second to keep up, I think, have you have a second to go “wow, that’s devious!” before he throws her out in the next paragraph. Not that unsullied can’t keep up, but that it’s just easier for tv, by nature of the medium, to show a lot real fast, rather than one thing at a time in a novel. And if they are just dropping the fostering thing all together, well, it’s not the worst decision they’ve made. I’d rather that get dropped as long as they still build a snow castle before Lysa loses her shit. ---
**Author:** ![bump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7c8e57/32.png) [@bump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bump)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2014, 2:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-4-fully-and-openly-spoiled-see-sticky/685175/372 "2014-05-06T02:58:17Z")
> [@TruCelt](#): > > On second viewing I caught Littlefinger’s comment about the necklace “it was something my new friends wanted very much.” Thus Olenna’s strange necklace hunt. She knew such a thing existed in the city, and was trying to find it. > > Why Littlefinger crushed a second stone before he tossed it in with Dontos is a mystery to me. He definitely set up Dontos and Sansa, as the necklace will now be found with him, and it would be ridiculous to think nobody noticed her leaving with him. But why the second crushing? I had the impression that he crushed the stone to show Sansa that the necklace was actually worthless- colored glass, before he went and told her about the poison stone. ---
**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2014, 3:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-4-fully-and-openly-spoiled-see-sticky/685175/373 "2014-05-06T03:55:35Z")
I’m a little confused after watching the most recent episode. Wasn’t the High Septon refusing to crown Tommen a because of royal debts big deal the books that only got resolved when Cersei allowed the Faith Militant to be re-established? ---
**Author:** ![AK84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85e7bf/32.png) [@AK84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AK84)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2014, 7:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-4-fully-and-openly-spoiled-see-sticky/685175/374 "2014-05-06T07:04:06Z")
Are they moving into AFFC and ADWD this season. Seems so. ---
**Author:** ![drastic\_quench](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e36b37/32.png) [@drastic\_quench](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drastic_quench)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2014, 7:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-4-fully-and-openly-spoiled-see-sticky/685175/375 "2014-05-06T07:58:41Z")
> [@AK84](#): > > Are they moving into AFFC and ADWD this season. Seems so. And beyond, with the last ep showing us The Night King. ---
**Author:** ![Lakai](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/9de0a6/32.png) [@Lakai](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lakai)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2014, 12:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-4-fully-and-openly-spoiled-see-sticky/685175/376 "2014-05-06T12:44:37Z")
> [@alphaboi867](#): > > I’m a little confused after watching the most recent episode. Wasn’t the High Septon refusing to crown Tommen a because of royal debts big deal the books that only got resolved when Cersei allowed the Faith Militant to be re-established? He only refused to give Tommen a blessing. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2014, 2:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-4-fully-and-openly-spoiled-see-sticky/685175/377 "2014-05-07T14:09:11Z")
In the unsullied thread, there’s an argument regarding whether Petyr Baelish had recognized Arya when she was serving as Tywin’s cup bearer at Harrenhall. It definitely is ambiguous in the show, but I can’t remember whether this happened at all in the books. ---
**Author:** ![AClockworkMelon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aclockworkmelon/32/10803_2.png) [@AClockworkMelon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AClockworkMelon)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2014, 2:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-4-fully-and-openly-spoiled-see-sticky/685175/378 "2014-05-07T14:11:25Z")
> [@Acsenray](#): > > In the unsullied thread, there’s an argument regarding whether Petyr Baelish had recognized Arya when she was serving as Tywin’s cup bearer at Harrenhall. It definitely is ambiguous in the show, but I can’t remember whether this happened at all in the books. It didn’t. Arya never meets Tywin in the books. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2014, 2:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-4-fully-and-openly-spoiled-see-sticky/685175/379 "2014-05-07T14:13:23Z")
So Baelish has no idea whether Arya is alive. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2014, 2:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-4-fully-and-openly-spoiled-see-sticky/685175/380 "2014-05-07T14:26:12Z")
He doesn’t, that’s why he makes up his own Arya to give to the Boltons. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-4-fully-and-openly-spoiled-see-sticky/685175.md?page=18) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-4-fully-and-openly-spoiled-see-sticky/685175.md?page=20)