# Game of Thrones Season 4: \[Fully And Openly Spoiled - See Sticky\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [April 2, 2014, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-4-fully-and-openly-spoiled-see-sticky/685175 "2014-04-02T16:18:14Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 27
**Author:** ![ISiddiqui](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/97f17d/32.png) [@ISiddiqui](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ISiddiqui)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2014, 4:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-4-fully-and-openly-spoiled-see-sticky/685175/521 "2014-05-25T04:03:36Z")
Personally I love Dorne, so I’m actually excited that we’ll be delving deeper into Dorne and Doran Martell’s scheming. We do need a good actress for Arianne Martell though. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2014, 4:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-4-fully-and-openly-spoiled-see-sticky/685175/522 "2014-05-25T04:33:21Z")
I agree. I enjoyed the Dorne chapters and Arianne is in my mind one of the alluring women of Westeros. I even liked her brother’s story, although it ended in failure. It was more entertaining than the Young Griff story. ---
**Author:** ![TruCelt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/trucelt/32/523_2.png) [@TruCelt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TruCelt)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2014, 2:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-4-fully-and-openly-spoiled-see-sticky/685175/523 "2014-06-02T02:24:57Z")
Why, would you look at that? Miss Sansa done made herself a dress out of them Portieres! That’s quite a change of character and plot. ---
**Author:** ![Biggirl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biggirl/32/3294_2.png) [@Biggirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biggirl)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2014, 2:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-4-fully-and-openly-spoiled-see-sticky/685175/524 "2014-06-02T02:29:55Z")
So they’re getting rid of fake Sansa? ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2014, 2:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-4-fully-and-openly-spoiled-see-sticky/685175/525 "2014-06-02T02:41:21Z")
Jeyne Poole was fake Arya not fake Sansa. ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Burden](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/958977/32.png) [@Jack\_Burden](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Burden)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2014, 5:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-4-fully-and-openly-spoiled-see-sticky/685175/526 "2014-06-02T05:30:56Z")
> [@SecretaryofEvil](#): > > The Iron Islands are like if Mississippi merged with Iceland to form a new country which based its constitution heavily on Conan the Barbarian, and then everyone there forgot how to read. This might have been my favorite sentence in the history of The Straight Dope, if not for the obvious oxymoron about people from Mississippi forgetting how to read. ---
**Author:** ![magnusblitz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b4bc9f/32.png) [@magnusblitz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magnusblitz)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2014, 6:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-4-fully-and-openly-spoiled-see-sticky/685175/527 "2014-06-02T06:00:21Z")
> [@TruCelt](#): > > That’s quite a change of character and plot. Sansa revealing herself was certainly a change, but I’m more interested to see how the heck the writers get out of “Arya at the Vale”. ---
**Author:** ![Biggirl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biggirl/32/3294_2.png) [@Biggirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biggirl)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2014, 10:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-4-fully-and-openly-spoiled-see-sticky/685175/528 "2014-06-02T10:55:07Z")
The Unsullied think The Mountain survived the fight. I’d like to correct them but 1) no book knowledge and b) who knows what the show will do? ---
**Author:** ![Reverse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e79b87/32.png) [@Reverse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Reverse)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2014, 11:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-4-fully-and-openly-spoiled-see-sticky/685175/529 "2014-06-02T11:06:09Z")
The Mountain did survive the fight, for a week or two. Also, I’m fairly sure the three betrayals have not been mentioned in the show. ---
**Author:** ![Biggirl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biggirl/32/3294_2.png) [@Biggirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biggirl)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2014, 11:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-4-fully-and-openly-spoiled-see-sticky/685175/530 "2014-06-02T11:33:10Z")
> [@Reverse](#): > > The Mountain did survive the fight, for a week or two. > > Also, I’m fairly sure the three betrayals have not been mentioned in the show. O.K., then. What were the three betrayals in the book? ---
**Author:** ![Reverse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e79b87/32.png) [@Reverse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Reverse)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2014, 12:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-4-fully-and-openly-spoiled-see-sticky/685175/531 "2014-06-02T12:33:35Z")
The three are as such: > [@](#): > > “Mother of Dragons… Child of Three… three heads has the dragon… three fires must you light: one for life and one for death and one to love… three mounts must you ride: one to bed and one to dread and one to love… three treasons will you know: once for blood and once for gold and once for love… daughter of death, slayer of lies, bride of fire…” ---
**Author:** ![Biggirl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biggirl/32/3294_2.png) [@Biggirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biggirl)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2014, 1:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-4-fully-and-openly-spoiled-see-sticky/685175/532 "2014-06-02T13:59:38Z")
Thanks **Reverse**. So is Jorah gold or love? I’m thinking if you count the fancy, gay, rich guy who kept proposing as gold, then Jorah would be love. But, then again, Jorah did not betray her for gold or love, did he? ---
**Author:** ![Ambrosio\_Spinola](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9de0a6/32.png) [@Ambrosio\_Spinola](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ambrosio_Spinola)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2014, 2:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-4-fully-and-openly-spoiled-see-sticky/685175/533 "2014-06-02T14:11:25Z")
Oberyn got his epithet for allegedly poisoning his weapons; I thought it was odd in the books that no one insisted on checking for it before this judicial combat. Maybe Clegane just didn’t care. I guess Oberyn also negotiated beforehand that he could use as many spears as he wanted, since his squire or whoever just tossed him another one when his first broke. That said, I don’t think that fight could have been adapted any better than it was. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2014, 2:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-4-fully-and-openly-spoiled-see-sticky/685175/534 "2014-06-02T14:14:00Z")
Jorah was treasonous to her, arguably, for gold - he was paid as a spy for Varys. He came to love her but that was not his treason. ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2014, 2:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-4-fully-and-openly-spoiled-see-sticky/685175/535 "2014-06-02T14:20:53Z")
That or he betrayed her for the love of his home, since he was after his pardon more than he was gold. ---
**Author:** ![Sterling\_Archer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f1d935/32.png) [@Sterling\_Archer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sterling_Archer)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2014, 2:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-4-fully-and-openly-spoiled-see-sticky/685175/536 "2014-06-02T14:21:26Z")
Dany has already faced 5 betrayals: Mirri Maz Dur – for blood (revenge) Jorah – for gold? (reinstatement of his Lordship) Xaro – for gold (reinstating slave trade in Meereen) Brown Ben Plumm – for gold Hizdahr – for power? However, Dany is not sure if Xaro’s and Ben’s betrayals count towards the prophecy. Seems like no one has betrayed her for love yet. And Hizdahr’s betrayal is not certain, the poisoner could have been Reznak. ---
**Author:** ![AK84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85e7bf/32.png) [@AK84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AK84)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2014, 2:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-4-fully-and-openly-spoiled-see-sticky/685175/537 "2014-06-02T14:31:54Z")
The battle here was mostly one sided. Oberyn dominated easily until his stupid gloating killed him. I do not recall him doing so well in the books. I am sorry to see that actor go. He has been fantastic in this role. Never heard of him before this. So, as. Moat Callin (sp) was in the fifth book, we are now no longer in book 3 part 2 as far as the secondary stories are concerned? ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2014, 2:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-4-fully-and-openly-spoiled-see-sticky/685175/538 "2014-06-02T14:38:54Z")
> [@magnusblitz](#): > > Sansa revealing herself was certainly a change, but I’m more interested to see how the heck the writers get out of “Arya at the Vale”. Uh, they get told Lisa is dead and they leave? i thought that was obvious. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2014, 2:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-4-fully-and-openly-spoiled-see-sticky/685175/539 "2014-06-02T14:41:20Z")
> [@AK84](#): > > The battle here was mostly one sided. Oberyn dominated easily until his stupid gloating killed him. I do not recall him doing so well in the books. > > I am sorry to see that actor go. He has been fantastic in this role. Never heard of him before this. > > So, as. Moat Callin (sp) was in the fifth book, we are now no longer in book 3 part 2 as far as the secondary stories are concerned? He had did do that well in the books, although the mountain did kill a bunch of bystanders. The only way to win was to completely dominate, if the mountain got you even once you’re toast. ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2014, 2:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-4-fully-and-openly-spoiled-see-sticky/685175/540 "2014-06-02T14:44:48Z")
> [@AK84](#): > > The battle here was mostly one sided. Oberyn dominated easily until his stupid gloating killed him. I do not recall him doing so well in the books. > > I am sorry to see that actor go. He has been fantastic in this role. Never heard of him before this. > > So, as. Moat Callin (sp) was in the fifth book, we are now no longer in book 3 part 2 as far as the secondary stories are concerned? Oberyn dominates even more in the book. None of that being kicked or tossed or having his spear chopped in half. Theon, Dany, Brienne, and Sansa are all in book 4 or later territory. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-4-fully-and-openly-spoiled-see-sticky/685175.md?page=26) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-4-fully-and-openly-spoiled-see-sticky/685175.md?page=28)