# Game of Thrones Season 4: \[Fully And Openly Spoiled - See Sticky\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [April 2, 2014, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-4-fully-and-openly-spoiled-see-sticky/685175 "2014-04-02T16:18:14Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![chinchalinchin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b9bd4f/32.png) [@chinchalinchin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chinchalinchin)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2014, 10:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-4-fully-and-openly-spoiled-see-sticky/685175/41 "2014-04-05T22:52:41Z")
> [@Reverse](#): > > It is speculated that rather than throwing the egg away he gave it as a payment to the Faceless Men. Having a king assassinated is expensive. > > Also, the shit he drinks is essence of the nightshade, the same thing the warlocks of Qarth drink. Their lips are blue, his lips are blue, and he did get capture a group of warlocks who were on their way to kill a dragon queen. > > Also also, Daenerys has at least one dream where her husband has blue lips. The first speculation is pretty solid. It fits with the vision given to the witch and related to Arya and the Brotherhood. If I recall correctly, it said something about a man with no face pushing a king from a bridge or some such. Also, as for the nightshade, it’s effects are never really described in details, but it’s supposed to make you hallucinate, right? ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2014, 10:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-4-fully-and-openly-spoiled-see-sticky/685175/42 "2014-04-05T22:55:20Z")
> [@chinchalinchin](#): > > The first speculation is pretty solid. It fits with the vision given to the witch and related to Arya and the Brotherhood. If I recall correctly, it said something about a man with no face pushing a king from a bridge or some such. > [@](#): > > “I dreamt of a man without a face, waiting on a bridge that swayed and swung. On his shoulder perched a drowned crow with seaweed hanging from his wings.” The crow on his shoulder pushes it over the edge. ---
**Author:** ![Biggirl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biggirl/32/3294_2.png) [@Biggirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biggirl)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2014, 10:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-4-fully-and-openly-spoiled-see-sticky/685175/43 "2014-04-07T10:45:26Z")
I was very much looking forward to Arya’s “Where’s the gold?! Where’s the silver?!” freak-out but it doesn’t look like we’re going to get that in the series. ---
**Author:** ![Reverse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e79b87/32.png) [@Reverse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Reverse)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2014, 11:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-4-fully-and-openly-spoiled-see-sticky/685175/44 "2014-04-07T11:22:29Z")
> [@Biggirl](#): > > I was very much looking forward to Arya’s “Where’s the gold?! Where’s the silver?!” freak-out but it doesn’t look like we’re going to get that in the series. The Tickler was the first person that got murdergenie’d. ---
**Author:** ![Gukumatz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/74df32/32.png) [@Gukumatz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gukumatz)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2014, 12:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-4-fully-and-openly-spoiled-see-sticky/685175/45 "2014-04-07T12:31:26Z")
Edited the title to comply with the 2014 GoT spoiler rules. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2014, 12:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-4-fully-and-openly-spoiled-see-sticky/685175/46 "2014-04-07T12:39:30Z")
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**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2014, 12:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-4-fully-and-openly-spoiled-see-sticky/685175/47 "2014-04-07T12:58:47Z")
I guess we know how they are going to handle Shae’s betrayal now. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2014, 1:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-4-fully-and-openly-spoiled-see-sticky/685175/48 "2014-04-07T13:00:32Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > I guess we know how they are going to handle Shae’s betrayal now. How’s that? Do you think it will be based on jealousy? ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2014, 1:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-4-fully-and-openly-spoiled-see-sticky/685175/49 "2014-04-07T13:01:26Z")
Well they laid it on pretty heavily the first episode. ---
**Author:** ![bouv](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bc8723/32.png) [@bouv](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bouv)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2014, 2:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-4-fully-and-openly-spoiled-see-sticky/685175/50 "2014-04-07T14:05:09Z")
I’m sure eventually he’d be happy to plow her, but not when he’s got so much on his plate. But Shae doesn’t understand/believe that. So she thinks Tyrion is sick of his “stupid whore” and is happy with his wife. They sort of started the whole “Shae is jealous of Sansa” thing last season, so I’m guessing a combination of that, her belief that Tyrion tried to send her away, and some pressuring from Tywin/Cercei will be what makes her turn cloak (especially now that one of Cercei’s handmaidens/spies knows of her and Tyrion.) I can even envision some dialogue before Tyrion kills her where she pleads for her life, saying they threatened to kill her, or lied to her and said if she testified Tyrion would only get sent to the wall, and not executed. And although we were denied ever getting a “Where’s the gold! Where’ the silver?!”, I think they made up for it the best they could by substituting in the, “Carry me?” and “A fine blade…maybe I’ll pick my teeth with it!” Although: (In a spoiler box because it’s about a chapter from **The Winds of Winter** that GRRM has released, but I’m sure not everyone here has read it, or wants to even) In the released chapter, Arya is still in her Faceless Man training, and actually ends up killing Polliver is damn near the same way. She slices his leg open, and he ends up begging her to carry him, and then she stabs in through the throat with Needle. I wonder if the writer’s got that chapter snippet early and based this scene around that one…or maybe the other way round? GRRM read this scene on the show, and liked it enough to put a variation on it in the next book? ---
**Author:** ![Lakai](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/9de0a6/32.png) [@Lakai](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lakai)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2014, 2:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-4-fully-and-openly-spoiled-see-sticky/685175/51 "2014-04-07T14:19:26Z")
Looks like Janos Slynt has arrived at the Wall. They mentioned that he was the head of the City Watch, but not his involvement with Ned’s execution. I wonder when TV show audiences will become aware of it. ---
**Author:** ![bouv](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bc8723/32.png) [@bouv](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bouv)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2014, 2:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-4-fully-and-openly-spoiled-see-sticky/685175/52 "2014-04-07T14:30:43Z")
Uhhh…already? If you look in the other thread, a couple people asked if the bald guy in the Nightswatch was the Baby-Killing City Guard leader from earlier seasons, and others confirmed it. And we/they saw in the first season that he/he and Littlefinger betrayed Ned. ---
**Author:** ![interface2x](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/c0e974/32.png) [@interface2x](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/interface2x)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2014, 3:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-4-fully-and-openly-spoiled-see-sticky/685175/53 "2014-04-07T15:16:55Z")
> [@bouv](#): > > Although: (In a spoiler box because it’s about a chapter from **The Winds of Winter** that GRRM has released, but I’m sure not everyone here has read it, or wants to even) > > In the released chapter, Arya is still in her Faceless Man training, and actually ends up killing Polliver is damn near the same way. She slices his leg open, and he ends up begging her to carry him, and then she stabs in through the throat with Needle. I wonder if the writer’s got that chapter snippet early and based this scene around that one…or maybe the other way round? GRRM read this scene on the show, and liked it enough to put a variation on it in the next book? If I’m not mistaken, GRRM said Mercy was one of the chapters that was originally in ADWD but was cut, so I’m guessing that was written first. ---
**Author:** ![clairobscur](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/839c29/32.png) [@clairobscur](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/clairobscur)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2014, 4:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-4-fully-and-openly-spoiled-see-sticky/685175/54 "2014-04-07T16:49:40Z")
> [@bouv](#): > > In the released chapter, Arya is still in her Faceless Man training, and actually ends up killing Polliver is damn near the same way. She slices his leg open, and he ends up begging her to carry him, and then she stabs in through the throat with Needle. I wonder if the writer’s got that chapter snippet early and based this scene around that one…or maybe the other way round? GRRM read this scene on the show, and liked it enough to put a variation on it in the next book? I read this chapter and : I had no clue it was Polliver. In fact, I thought that polliver was already dead in the books. ---
**Author:** ![clairobscur](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/839c29/32.png) [@clairobscur](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/clairobscur)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2014, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-4-fully-and-openly-spoiled-see-sticky/685175/55 "2014-04-07T16:51:42Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > I guess we know how they are going to handle Shae’s betrayal now. Yes, but I find this explanation disapointing and not very credible given what we had seen of Shae before. ---
**Author:** ![JSexton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/96bed5/32.png) [@JSexton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JSexton)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2014, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-4-fully-and-openly-spoiled-see-sticky/685175/56 "2014-04-07T16:54:21Z")
> [@clairobscur](#): > > I read this chapter and : > > I had no clue it was Polliver. In fact, I thought that polliver was already dead in the books. Correction: It’s not Polliver in the excerpt, it’s Raff the Sweetling. Polliver is, as you recalled correctly, dead. ---
**Author:** ![bouv](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bc8723/32.png) [@bouv](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bouv)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2014, 4:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-4-fully-and-openly-spoiled-see-sticky/685175/57 "2014-04-07T16:55:22Z")
> [@clairobscur](#): > > I read this chapter and : > > I had no clue it was Polliver. In fact, I thought that polliver was already dead in the books. I looked into it and yeah: It was Raff the Sweetling in the released chapter. But they combined him and Polliver in the show. ---
**Author:** ![JSexton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/96bed5/32.png) [@JSexton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JSexton)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2014, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-4-fully-and-openly-spoiled-see-sticky/685175/58 "2014-04-07T16:58:12Z")
Check me on this: The Thenns were never referred to as cannibals in the books, were they? Scary and mean, sure, but not cannibals. There are cannibals on the isle of Skagos, and we think that Rickon may have ended up there, so maybe they intend to combine these for the show? ---
**Author:** ![Lakai](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/9de0a6/32.png) [@Lakai](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lakai)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2014, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-4-fully-and-openly-spoiled-see-sticky/685175/59 "2014-04-07T17:34:53Z")
> [@bouv](#): > > Uhhh…already? If you look in the other thread, a couple people asked if the bald guy in the Nightswatch was the Baby-Killing City Guard leader from earlier seasons, and others confirmed it. > > And we/they saw in the first season that he/he and Littlefinger betrayed Ned. I can never tell what people will pick up without reading the book. The group I watched the episode with did not remember Janos. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2014, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-4-fully-and-openly-spoiled-see-sticky/685175/60 "2014-04-07T17:40:06Z")
Did anyone else notice the small shout out to the rare Dunk and Egg tales with that book of Great Knights? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-4-fully-and-openly-spoiled-see-sticky/685175.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-4-fully-and-openly-spoiled-see-sticky/685175.md?page=4)