# Game of Thrones Season 4: \[Fully And Openly Spoiled - See Sticky\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [April 2, 2014, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-4-fully-and-openly-spoiled-see-sticky/685175 "2014-04-02T16:18:14Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 30
**Author:** ![lisiate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f05b48/32.png) [@lisiate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lisiate)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2014, 6:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-4-fully-and-openly-spoiled-see-sticky/685175/581 "2014-06-05T06:10:32Z")
> [@Fair\_Rarity](#): > > Does anyone think that wildfire could destroy The Others? We know Valyrian steel and dragonglass can; presumably dragon fire will too. I’ve always thought the caches of wildfire in KL would be used in some kind of final blaze of glory by Cersei, but maybe that they’re a different kind of Chekov’s gun. Wan’t it all used up at the battle of the Blackwater? ---
**Author:** ![Hoops](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hoops/32/6408_2.png) [@Hoops](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hoops)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2014, 7:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-4-fully-and-openly-spoiled-see-sticky/685175/582 "2014-06-05T07:17:54Z")
> [@JSexton](#): > > It’s about the futility of assuming there is a comprehensible reason for death, especially when you live in a world where gods decide who lives and who dies based on combat between two other people. Tyrion is saying that the gods are like his cousin, mindlessly smashing away lives for reasons none of us can understand. Shakespeare: As flies to wanton boys are we to th’ gods, They kill us for their sport. King Lear Act 4, scene 1, 32–37 ---
**Author:** ![Biggirl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biggirl/32/3294_2.png) [@Biggirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biggirl)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2014, 10:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-4-fully-and-openly-spoiled-see-sticky/685175/583 "2014-06-05T10:42:00Z")
Totally irrelevant to the current discussions and unlikely to come up on the show as the Iron Islands power struggle seems to have been cut but, am I the only one who sees the religious fanatic Greyjoy uncle’s name and pronounces it DAMfear? Yeah? I always knew I was crazy. . … ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2014, 12:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-4-fully-and-openly-spoiled-see-sticky/685175/584 "2014-06-05T12:25:54Z")
> [@Biggirl](#): > > Totally irrelevant to the current discussions and unlikely to come up on the show as the Iron Islands power struggle seems to have been cut but, am I the only one who sees the religious fanatic Greyjoy uncle’s name and pronounces it DAMfear? Yeah? I always knew I was crazy. . … Yep. I STILL do it when I see “Damphair”, even though I know what it’s supposed to be. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2014, 12:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-4-fully-and-openly-spoiled-see-sticky/685175/585 "2014-06-05T12:51:48Z")
A dhampir is the offspring of a human and a vampire – [Dhampir - Wikipedia](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dhampir) ---
**Author:** ![TruCelt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/trucelt/32/523_2.png) [@TruCelt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TruCelt)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2014, 1:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-4-fully-and-openly-spoiled-see-sticky/685175/586 "2014-06-05T13:14:13Z")
> [@TruCelt](#): > > . . . But when LF was sending Robin off, he did mention that people sometimes die squatting over their chamber poets. . . _Pots_! chamber _pots_. ROFL! That may be a personal best for hilarious typos. . . :smack: :eek: :smack: > [@JSexton](#): > > . . . > > Alternative answer: it was a metaphor for George RR Martin himself. > . . . Your first answer cleared it up for me, thank you! But I like this one better. 🆒 ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2014, 3:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-4-fully-and-openly-spoiled-see-sticky/685175/587 "2014-06-05T15:00:37Z")
> [@alphaboi867](#): > > I thought it was odd that Missandei, the Queen’s chief handmaiden, is bathing in a river outside of the city instead of a bath in the palace. Good point. And doing laundry, too, wasn’t she? ---
**Author:** ![chinchalinchin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b9bd4f/32.png) [@chinchalinchin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chinchalinchin)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2014, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-4-fully-and-openly-spoiled-see-sticky/685175/588 "2014-06-05T17:33:37Z")
> [@lisiate](#): > > Wan’t it all used up at the battle of the Blackwater? The Mad King hid caches of it all over the city and only a few of them have been found. Jaime killed the only two people who knew where they were. Plus the Pyromancers have been making more of it since the Battle of the Blackwater. There’s mention of their spells working again in Clash of Kings. Cersei uses some of it to burn down the Tower of the Hand in Feast for Crows. [QUOTE=Snarky\_Kong] How do we know Valyrian steel can? [/QUOTE] We don’t know for sure, but Sam mentions in AFFC that one of the books he found before departing to Oldtown mentioned ‘dragon steel’ harmed the others. Jon and Sam assume that means Valyrian steel. Makes sense, too. Valyrian steel is supposedly woven with spells, much like the Wall. ---
**Author:** ![Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/qadgop_the_mercotan/32/83_2.png) [@Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qadgop_the_Mercotan)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2014, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-4-fully-and-openly-spoiled-see-sticky/685175/589 "2014-06-05T19:25:11Z")
> [@Biggirl](#): > > Totally irrelevant to the current discussions and unlikely to come up on the show as the Iron Islands power struggle seems to have been cut but, am I the only one who sees the religious fanatic Greyjoy uncle’s name and pronounces it DAMfear? Yeah? I always knew I was crazy. . … I pronounced it Dam Phair for a loooong time. Still tend to. I think I knew it was ‘damp hair’ early on, but not right away. :smack: ---
**Author:** ![Fair\_Rarity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fair_rarity/32/153_2.png) [@Fair\_Rarity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fair_Rarity)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2014, 1:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-4-fully-and-openly-spoiled-see-sticky/685175/590 "2014-06-06T01:21:01Z")
> [@chinchalinchin](#): > > Valyrian steel is supposedly woven with spells, much like the Wall. I think Valyrian steel was forged with dragon fire too. Just a pet theory, nothing textual to go by. ---
**Author:** ![thelurkinghorror](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7c8e57/32.png) [@thelurkinghorror](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thelurkinghorror)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2014, 8:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-4-fully-and-openly-spoiled-see-sticky/685175/591 "2014-06-06T08:56:40Z")
> [@Biggirl](#): > > Totally irrelevant to the current discussions and unlikely to come up on the show as the Iron Islands power struggle seems to have been cut but, am I the only one who sees the religious fanatic Greyjoy uncle’s name and pronounces it DAMfear? Yeah? I always knew I was crazy. . … And his brother, Urine. ---
**Author:** ![Algernon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a183cd/32.png) [@Algernon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Algernon)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2014, 12:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-4-fully-and-openly-spoiled-see-sticky/685175/592 "2014-06-06T12:59:57Z")
> [@Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](#): > > I pronounced it Dam Phair for a loooong time. Still tend to. > :smack: Haha. Me too!! ---
**Author:** ![Biggirl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biggirl/32/3294_2.png) [@Biggirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biggirl)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2014, 3:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-4-fully-and-openly-spoiled-see-sticky/685175/593 "2014-06-09T03:46:34Z")
That ended quickly. Now I’m wondering if we’ll get both the escape and the killings. With so little Breinne and Pod, we won’t be getting Lady Stoneheart. ---
**Author:** ![Enderw24](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ba9def/32.png) [@Enderw24](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enderw24)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2014, 3:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-4-fully-and-openly-spoiled-see-sticky/685175/594 "2014-06-09T03:49:12Z")
IIRC Lady Stoneheart shows up at the end of book 3 to kill a Frey. Brienne’s part isn’t until the end of book 4. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2014, 3:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-4-fully-and-openly-spoiled-see-sticky/685175/595 "2014-06-09T03:51:28Z")
We are definitely getting lady stoneheart, lena headey has been trolling book readers with her pictures and she had a bunch of stones in the shape of a heart. ---
**Author:** ![thelurkinghorror](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7c8e57/32.png) [@thelurkinghorror](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thelurkinghorror)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2014, 4:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-4-fully-and-openly-spoiled-see-sticky/685175/596 "2014-06-09T04:33:27Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > We are definitely getting lady stoneheart, lena headey has been trolling book readers with her pictures and she had a bunch of stones in the shape of a heart. [Here](http://instagram.com/p/nEeNM0PA3L/#). Or she’s trolling. Either way, good job! A Michelle Fairley interview also had her using very selective verb tenses and such. Admittedly, I originally saw that link with a “she’s spoiling!” tag, and yet it still took me awhile to get it. Like “someone’s heart will be hardened? Huh!?” :smack: I have pictured the scene as I see it play out, and am interested in what will happen. I suspect her role will be fleshed out from what currently exists, or at least what is expected to happen in the next books. ---
**Author:** ![JSexton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/96bed5/32.png) [@JSexton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JSexton)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2014, 4:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-4-fully-and-openly-spoiled-see-sticky/685175/597 "2014-06-09T04:47:32Z")
So. Is that it for the wall this season? Seems like there is enough elsewhere to fill out next episode. No Stannis until season 5? ---
**Author:** ![VarlosZ](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/d78d45/32.png) [@VarlosZ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VarlosZ)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2014, 4:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-4-fully-and-openly-spoiled-see-sticky/685175/598 "2014-06-09T04:50:49Z")
I suspect Lady Stoneheart will be handled almost exactly as she is in the books: used as a shocking tag for the end of season/book, then hardly ever seen for a long time. There’s just not much for her to do, plot-wise, so there will be a couple scenes next year to remind us that she’s out there rounding up Freys and that the Brotherhood has taken a dark turn, and then \*maybe \*she runs into Brienne at the end of Season 5, but quite possibly the end of S6. OTOH, there really wasn’t much for Ramsay & Theon to do plot-wise, either, and they insisted on giving us weekly updates on the despicable shit that was going on there. So who knows. ---
**Author:** ![VarlosZ](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/d78d45/32.png) [@VarlosZ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VarlosZ)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2014, 4:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-4-fully-and-openly-spoiled-see-sticky/685175/599 "2014-06-09T04:56:17Z")
> [@JSexton](#): > > So. Is that it for the wall this season? Seems like there is enough elsewhere to fill out next episode. No Stannis until season 5? He’ll almost definitely show up in next week’s finale. Christ, next week is going to be packed, with a second battle at the wall and all the shit Tyrion gets into. I wish HBO would occasionally grant GoT an extra half hour or so for season finales, as has sometimes happened with other prestige TV dramas. (_Sopranos_? I know _The Wire_ finale was long. Etc.) I thought this week’s episode was really well done. Loved Sam playing the oath-lawyer in matters of sex. I wasn’t really excited for the prospect of a whole episode devoted to one locale and one battle, but there was a ton of good stuff there. This as opposed to last week, where I was really excited for everything on deck but found most of the episode kinda listless (despite some great moments scattered throughout, and the nightmare-inducing denouement). ---
**Author:** ![MeanJoe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/meanjoe/32/5693_2.png) [@MeanJoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MeanJoe)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2014, 2:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-4-fully-and-openly-spoiled-see-sticky/685175/600 "2014-06-09T14:48:27Z")
I really liked this week’s episode with the sole focus on The Wall. Even Sam had some good scenes and lines - I especially liked when the recruit finally got one and Sam’s retort along the lines of “Oh, so it’s all over then?”. The giants were well done and I thought the scene in the tunnel was excellent. I was less happy about the resolution of Jon and Ygritte. My foggy memory seems to recall that Jon shot her with an arrow but he didn’t necessarily realize it was Ygritte at that moment. Or am I misremembering the book scene? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-4-fully-and-openly-spoiled-see-sticky/685175.md?page=29) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-4-fully-and-openly-spoiled-see-sticky/685175.md?page=31)