# Game of Thrones Season 4: \[Fully And Openly Spoiled - See Sticky\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [April 2, 2014, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-4-fully-and-openly-spoiled-see-sticky/685175 "2014-04-02T16:18:14Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 34
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2014, 1:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-4-fully-and-openly-spoiled-see-sticky/685175/661 "2014-06-13T01:04:22Z")
Lady stoneheart is not going to show up with Brienne and Pod, that has to happen next season. She will hang a Frey like in the book. ---
**Author:** ![Fair\_Rarity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fair_rarity/32/153_2.png) [@Fair\_Rarity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fair_Rarity)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2014, 1:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-4-fully-and-openly-spoiled-see-sticky/685175/662 "2014-06-13T01:26:07Z")
Balon’s still alive. I wouldn’t be shocked (other than for time constraints) if he’s gone this week too. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2014, 3:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-4-fully-and-openly-spoiled-see-sticky/685175/663 "2014-06-13T03:49:17Z")
> [@MaxTheVool](#): > > …(And I wouldn’t be SHOCKED if they did Lady Stoneheart as a post-credits scene, given how utterly shocking it is… cut from Tyrion to black, start showing credits, quickly fade up behind credits to Pod and Brienne being led into the brotherhood’s HQ, being led, being led, being led, end of credits, two lines of dialog, camera pan over to Lady Stoneheart, bam!) That would be pretty cool. ---
**Author:** ![Reverse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e79b87/32.png) [@Reverse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Reverse)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2014, 6:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-4-fully-and-openly-spoiled-see-sticky/685175/664 "2014-06-13T06:42:54Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > I’d say it’s 50-50. Game of Thrones has a habit of not wrapping up plot threads in the final episode. We’ll see something of Tyrion - perhaps even the start of his escape. Whether we’ll see the whole thing is questionable in my mind. We’ve already seen footage of him approaching a door with a crossbow. > [@](#): > > Also, we don’t need to see the Hound be injured - he’s already got his potentially fatal wound. Arya commented in the last episode that he was already moving at about half speed. The next scene with them could open with them walking or riding down a road, then having the Hound collapse. Arya leaves him, heads for the port, and shows her coin to a ship captain and says “Valor Morgulus”. The captain says, “Okay, get on board.” And that’s the end of her scene for the season. One segment for the Hound to collapse and Arya to decide to leave him, then another segment later in the show where she shows up in port and shows the coin. So I’m guessing we’ll see that, but it could easily be left until next season. We might not see her and the Hound at all in the next episode. And we’ve seen footage of Brienne and Podrick catching up with Arya and the Hound, as well as heard Brienne’s actress mention that this season she gets to bite a man’s ear off and spit it at his face (which hasn’t happened yet) ---
**Author:** ![gonzoron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a6a055/32.png) [@gonzoron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzoron)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2014, 12:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-4-fully-and-openly-spoiled-see-sticky/685175/665 "2014-06-13T12:33:42Z")
OMG, I just realized that, assuming we do get Tywin’s death this week, which I agree, is 99.5% likely, it will be ON FATHER’S DAY! Perfection! Happy Father’s day, dad, I got you this crossbow bolt! ---
**Author:** ![Enderw24](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ba9def/32.png) [@Enderw24](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enderw24)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2014, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-4-fully-and-openly-spoiled-see-sticky/685175/666 "2014-06-16T00:25:08Z")
Prediction: The show tonight ends with a closeup of Arya. It pulls away and we see her leaning over the railing of a ship bound for Bravos. As we see the ship sailing off into the sunset, the scene fades to black over a crescendo of music. Music stops as we come back to the middle of Westeros. A fire burns and we see a random Frey tied to a stake. Beric Dondarrion says he stands accused of the murders of the Red Wedding. He denies it. Says there are no witnesses and requests to be let go. Beric says it’s true, that none of the Brothers without Banners have witnessed him do anything wrong. “But she has,” he says and we see a hooded figure come forward, lower her hood. Lady Stoneheart points and you see the reflection in her eyes the tribe bringing the fire closer to the Frey, him screaming, and we fade to black for real. ---
**Author:** ![Emiliana](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f0a364/32.png) [@Emiliana](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Emiliana)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2014, 2:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-4-fully-and-openly-spoiled-see-sticky/685175/667 "2014-06-16T02:17:00Z")
> [@Enderw24](#): > > Prediction: > > The show tonight ends with a closeup of Arya. It pulls away and we see her leaning over the railing of a ship bound for Bravos. As we see the ship sailing off into the sunset, the scene fades to black over a crescendo of music. > > Music stops as we come back to the middle of Westeros. A fire burns and we see a random Frey tied to a stake. Beric Dondarrion says he stands accused of the murders of the Red Wedding. He denies it. Says there are no witnesses and requests to be let go. Beric says it’s true, that none of the Brothers without Banners have witnessed him do anything wrong. > “But she has,” he says and we see a hooded figure come forward, lower her hood. Lady Stoneheart points and you see the reflection in her eyes the tribe bringing the fire closer to the Frey, him screaming, and we fade to black for real. So, you were half right. Alas. ---
**Author:** ![Biggirl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biggirl/32/3294_2.png) [@Biggirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biggirl)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2014, 2:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-4-fully-and-openly-spoiled-see-sticky/685175/668 "2014-06-16T02:21:18Z")
No Lady Stoneheart. And a lot of diversions from the book. But the important stuff stayed. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2014, 2:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-4-fully-and-openly-spoiled-see-sticky/685175/669 "2014-06-16T02:22:54Z")
Awesome episode, except I was hoping for Stoneheart. Oh well – gotta save some awesomeness for later seasons. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2014, 2:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-4-fully-and-openly-spoiled-see-sticky/685175/670 "2014-06-16T02:42:24Z")
Did Varys leave with Tyrion? that would be kind of a bummer, the spider ending up living like a real spider was a nice touch i really liked from the books. ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2014, 2:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-4-fully-and-openly-spoiled-see-sticky/685175/671 "2014-06-16T02:45:18Z")
Jaime didn’t give his explanation of Tysha, nor did we get the “wherever whores go” line. I guess that’s reaching too far back to season 1? I’m still digesting. So what’s going to happen next season? I guess they’re casting for Dorne, but there’s a plot to start a war that could really take like 30 minutes of screen time, and Brienne wandering around. Add in Theon, a little Iron Islands, and Jon getting murdered and we’ll be all the way through book 5 at the end of next season. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2014, 2:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-4-fully-and-openly-spoiled-see-sticky/685175/672 "2014-06-16T02:45:31Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > Did Varys leave with Tyrion? that would be kind of a bummer, the spider ending up living like a real spider was a nice touch i really liked from the books. On the bright side, we’ll probably see a lot more of the great Conleth Hill in the next season or two. Tyrion/Varys scenes, even if they’re just hanging out on a boat, should make for some excellent TV. ---
**Author:** ![Enderw24](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ba9def/32.png) [@Enderw24](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enderw24)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2014, 2:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-4-fully-and-openly-spoiled-see-sticky/685175/673 "2014-06-16T02:51:14Z")
> [@Emiliana](#): > > So, you were half right. Alas. Goddamn. I was getting so excited. I even thought “ok, I’ll stick through the credits. It’s coming up.” Alas. Lady Stoneheart would have been an awesome WTF ending for all the non-book readers. ---
**Author:** ![Hector\_St\_Clare](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/b5ac83/32.png) [@Hector\_St\_Clare](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hector_St_Clare)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2014, 4:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-4-fully-and-openly-spoiled-see-sticky/685175/674 "2014-06-16T04:06:19Z")
Eurgh. They skipped the bit about Tysha. That was important, in the book: it underscores how evil Tywin is, it finally breaks the tie between Tyrion and Jaime, and a Tyrion spends a good part of Book 5 traumatized by the memory. I’m disappointed. ---
**Author:** ![Sterling\_Archer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f1d935/32.png) [@Sterling\_Archer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sterling_Archer)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2014, 4:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-4-fully-and-openly-spoiled-see-sticky/685175/675 "2014-06-16T04:52:56Z")
What about no Mance-baby, Dalla and Val?! I was shocked they are cutting all that? Val and the baby drive quite a bit of the story at the wall from here on out. ---
**Author:** ![Sterling\_Archer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f1d935/32.png) [@Sterling\_Archer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sterling_Archer)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2014, 4:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-4-fully-and-openly-spoiled-see-sticky/685175/676 "2014-06-16T04:54:05Z")
> [@Hector\_St\_Clare](#): > > Eurgh. They skipped the bit about Tysha. That was important, in the book: it underscores how evil Tywin is, it finally breaks the tie between Tyrion and Jaime, and a Tyrion spends a good part of Book 5 traumatized by the memory. I’m disappointed. This was a big change, but actually, I see it is a positive. Now we don’t have to watch Tyrion be drunk and depressed for 5 episodes. ---
**Author:** ![AClockworkMelon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aclockworkmelon/32/10803_2.png) [@AClockworkMelon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AClockworkMelon)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2014, 4:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-4-fully-and-openly-spoiled-see-sticky/685175/677 "2014-06-16T04:55:59Z")
Very good episode, but I was crushed that there was no Stoneheart. Going into the episode I was hoping for a 10-second teaser shot of her at the very end or something. As it went on it became increasingly clear that wasn’t going to happen. Still, very entertaining, good wrap up for the season. ---
**Author:** ![magnusblitz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b4bc9f/32.png) [@magnusblitz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magnusblitz)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2014, 5:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-4-fully-and-openly-spoiled-see-sticky/685175/678 "2014-06-16T05:28:55Z")
Hot damn! Really disappointed there was no Lady Stoneheart. Lena Headey is a genius troll, though. I’m also disappointed that they cut out the Tysha stuff (it especially changes the dynamic of Tyrion and Jaime’s parting 180 degrees), but at least it’ll save us from hearing Tyrion say “where do whores go?” every five minutes. I’m fine with Varys taking the boat with Tyrion, since he basically just disappears in Books 4 and 5 and doesn’t show up until he assassinates Kevan Lannister at the end of Book 5. And wow… they killed Jojen! Didn’t see that coming. In the books it doesn’t sound like he has much longer, though. > [@Sterling\_Archer](#): > > What about no Mance-baby, Dalla and Val?! I was shocked they are cutting all that? Val and the baby drive quite a bit of the story at the wall from here on out. Do they really? I mean, Stannis can offer to make Snow the new Lord of Winterfell without a wildling queen to marry. Jon will still get elected Commander and Stannis will go after Ramsay. I figure Tormund will be the replacement for Rattleshirt. ---
**Author:** ![magnusblitz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b4bc9f/32.png) [@magnusblitz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magnusblitz)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2014, 5:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-4-fully-and-openly-spoiled-see-sticky/685175/679 "2014-06-16T05:38:56Z")
Also, I really enjoyed the Brienne/Sandor showdown… a nice bonus scene not the book! Funny how Brienne finally got to bite an ear (not Sandor’s in the book) and Sandor got his ear bitten (not by Brienne in the book). Even if it did make him getting wounded in the last few episodes a bit of a pointless storyline… (Also, it’ll be good fodder for future “who’s the best fighter” threads) ---
**Author:** ![AK84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85e7bf/32.png) [@AK84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AK84)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2014, 5:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-4-fully-and-openly-spoiled-see-sticky/685175/680 "2014-06-16T05:43:48Z")
They might have cut out Lady Stoneheart completely. THey have gotten rid of Coldhands and Strong Belwas. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-4-fully-and-openly-spoiled-see-sticky/685175.md?page=33) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-4-fully-and-openly-spoiled-see-sticky/685175.md?page=35)