# Game of Thrones Season 4: \[Fully And Openly Spoiled - See Sticky\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [April 2, 2014, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-4-fully-and-openly-spoiled-see-sticky/685175 "2014-04-02T16:18:14Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 36
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2014, 5:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-4-fully-and-openly-spoiled-see-sticky/685175/701 "2014-06-16T17:02:54Z")
> [@Enderw24](#): > > Goddamn. I was getting so excited. I even thought “ok, I’ll stick through the credits. It’s coming up.” > > Alas. > > Lady Stoneheart would have been an awesome WTF ending for all the non-book readers. Yes, and if they didn’t have that stupid Jon burning whats-her name and mucho talk about that, they would have had time. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2014, 5:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-4-fully-and-openly-spoiled-see-sticky/685175/702 "2014-06-16T17:10:28Z")
> [@gonzoron](#): > > Skeletons never, ever look right. Even when they look pretty good, they still move wrong, or just look fake. Two words: Ray Harryhausen. ---
**Author:** ![Sterling\_Archer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f1d935/32.png) [@Sterling\_Archer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sterling_Archer)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2014, 5:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-4-fully-and-openly-spoiled-see-sticky/685175/703 "2014-06-16T17:22:43Z")
> [@VarlosZ](#): > > Am I misremembering, or was Shae’s reaction to Tyrion different in the books? I seem to recall that she tried to make nice with him, but that Tyrion of course was having none of that shit and just strangled her without provocation. If that’s the case, I rather think that’s preferable to the way the show handled it. Yes, she begs for forgiveness and calls him “my giant of Lannister” again, and Tyrion’s like, “Wrong answer, bitch!” _choke choke_ > [@](#): > > Finally, I’m fairly shocked there was no Lady Stoneheart, just because (A) it was in the books, and (B) it makes such an obviously great capper for the season. What were they thinking? I guess they are saving it for season 4. It could actually be saved all the way until the end of season 4 when Brienne is captured. THEN the big reveal of un-Cat. I think that could work really well. Maybe they figured they had enough surprise ending twists in this season already, let’s save some for next season. We still have Jon’s election as Lord Commander, that will take up several episodes. The part of the timeline that concerns me the most is Bran and Bloodraven. What the heck is Bran going to do for the next 2 seasons? There’s only one more scene I can think of that hasn’t been shown yet with Bran, and that’s his vision through the heart tree’s eyes of young Ned & Lyanna, Ser Duncan the Tall, and some other people we don’t know. Oh, I guess we also had his learning how to warg into crows, and exploring the caves as Hodor, and eating Jojen-stew, but that’s it. Daenerys’s plotline concerns me too, but not because of a lack of events, but a lack of characters. Many of the characters who become significant in book 5 have been cut or barely exist, (Shavepate, Reznak, Hizdahr, Brown Ben Plumm, even Daario is MIA lately) so her plotline seems like it will have to start over from scratch. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2014, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-4-fully-and-openly-spoiled-see-sticky/685175/704 "2014-06-16T17:24:12Z")
Thinking about it afterwards it would be very hard to bring back an actress for a single scene in a TV show. ---
**Author:** ![Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f475e1/32.png) [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jimmy_Chitwood)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2014, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-4-fully-and-openly-spoiled-see-sticky/685175/705 "2014-06-16T18:27:08Z")
The “books don’t exist” rule seems so simple to me and yet it just gets shredded to bits in every episode’s thread. ---
**Author:** ![Sterling\_Archer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f1d935/32.png) [@Sterling\_Archer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sterling_Archer)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2014, 6:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-4-fully-and-openly-spoiled-see-sticky/685175/706 "2014-06-16T18:39:33Z")
> [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](#): > > The “books don’t exist” rule seems so simple to me and yet it just gets shredded to bits in every episode’s thread. You mean in the other thread? This is the open spoilers thread. What was spoiled in the other thread? Besides the vague comment about Father’s Day, which I agree was a lousy thing to do, but not too spoilery. ---
**Author:** ![Skammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skammer/32/143_2.png) [@Skammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skammer)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2014, 7:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-4-fully-and-openly-spoiled-see-sticky/685175/707 "2014-06-16T19:19:45Z")
There was also the reference that the Mountain could be played by Peter Dinklage next season, which could be considered a spoiler. ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Burden](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/958977/32.png) [@Jack\_Burden](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Burden)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2014, 7:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-4-fully-and-openly-spoiled-see-sticky/685175/708 "2014-06-16T19:23:22Z")
> [@Enderw24](#): > > Music stops as we come back to the middle of Westeros. A fire burns and we see a random Frey tied to a stake. Beric Dondarrion says he stands accused of the murders of the Red Wedding. He denies it. Says there are no witnesses and requests to be let go. Beric says it’s true, that none of the Brothers without Banners have witnessed him do anything wrong. > “But she has,” he says and we see a hooded figure come forward, lower her hood. Lady Stoneheart points and you see the reflection in her eyes the tribe bringing the fire closer to the Frey, him screaming, and we fade to black for real. A well conceived scene except that it will need to be Thoros of Myr leading the Brotherhood if Lady Stoneheart has already been resurrected. ---
**Author:** ![typoink](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecb155/32.png) [@typoink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/typoink)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2014, 7:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-4-fully-and-openly-spoiled-see-sticky/685175/709 "2014-06-16T19:23:58Z")
I’m extremely disappointed by the lack of Lady Stoneheart. So very, very obvious. Everything that WAS in the episode was good, but it all felt a little obvious. Really needed a big shocker. ---
**Author:** ![Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f475e1/32.png) [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jimmy_Chitwood)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2014, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-4-fully-and-openly-spoiled-see-sticky/685175/710 "2014-06-16T19:37:38Z")
Yes, the other threads. The ones about each episode. And yes, an explicit reference to a chapter of an as-yet unpublished book seems to be a pretty clear example. I’m not necessarily talking just about big spoilers, though. And I’m not really trying to call individual posts or people out. I just mean that those threads are rife with… things other than people not knowing the books exist. ---
**Author:** ![gonzoron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a6a055/32.png) [@gonzoron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzoron)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2014, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-4-fully-and-openly-spoiled-see-sticky/685175/711 "2014-06-16T19:42:39Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > Two words: Ray Harryhausen. Yes, I love me some Harryhausen, and his skeletons were top-notch for their day, but you still look at them and say, “hey, it’s Harryhausen! stop-motion, yay!” These skeletons didn’t look like stop-motion skeletons, or CGI skeletons. They looked like undead skeletons. ---
**Author:** ![JSexton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/96bed5/32.png) [@JSexton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JSexton)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2014, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-4-fully-and-openly-spoiled-see-sticky/685175/712 "2014-06-16T19:45:46Z")
> [@Skammer](#): > > There was also the reference that the Mountain could be played by Peter Dinklage next season, which could be considered a spoiler. Pretty sure that was just a straight up joke. As a reference to Robert Strong, it doesn’t really work, since he’s still taller than most people even headless. ---
**Author:** ![gonzoron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a6a055/32.png) [@gonzoron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzoron)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2014, 7:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-4-fully-and-openly-spoiled-see-sticky/685175/713 "2014-06-16T19:59:35Z")
> [@JSexton](#): > > Pretty sure that was just a straight up joke. As a reference to Robert Strong, it doesn’t really work, since he’s still taller than most people even headless. The point is, spoiler, joke, or otherwise, it ignores the very simple rule. The rule exists so no one has to make a judgement call. If it acknowledges that the books exist, it does’t belong. (frankly, I’m surprised the Father’s Day post is still there, despite many complaints. Why didn’t the mods delete it?) ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2014, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-4-fully-and-openly-spoiled-see-sticky/685175/714 "2014-06-16T20:01:42Z")
> [@gonzoron](#): > > Yes, I love me some Harryhausen, and his skeletons were top-notch for their day, but you still look at them and say, “hey, it’s Harryhausen! stop-motion, yay!” These skeletons didn’t look like stop-motion skeletons, or CGI skeletons. They looked like undead skeletons. To me, to this day, Harryhausen is how skeletons should really move. 🆒 ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2014, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-4-fully-and-openly-spoiled-see-sticky/685175/715 "2014-06-16T20:23:02Z")
> [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](#): > > Yes, the other threads. The ones about each episode. And yes, an explicit reference to a chapter of an as-yet unpublished book seems to be a pretty clear example. > > I’m not necessarily talking just about big spoilers, though. And I’m not really trying to call individual posts or people out. I just mean that those threads are rife with… things other than people not knowing the books exist. Those threads are very strictly policed. If you see something that violates the rule then report it. There’s no reason that they should be “rife” with such things. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2014, 8:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-4-fully-and-openly-spoiled-see-sticky/685175/716 "2014-06-16T20:33:20Z")
> [@Acsenray](#): > > Those threads are very strictly policed. If you see something that violates the rule then report it. There’s no reason that they should be “rife” with such things. I don’t see them that strictly policed by the Mods, but yes, the “Junior Mods” are very quick to jump on posters, even tho that’s also strictly against the stickyed rules. ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2014, 8:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-4-fully-and-openly-spoiled-see-sticky/685175/717 "2014-06-16T20:39:21Z")
I’m floored at the lack of including the Tysha revelation: that changes everything and makes Tyrion’s confronting and killing of Tywin seem strictly revenge for the trial and Daddy issues, when it wasn’t. In spite of what Martin said in his interview about book Shae being a total mercenary and TV Shae being more complex, I thought TV Shae was a total mercenary also. I know part of it was probably a language issue with the actress (a Turkish born German reared actress working in English has to have some issues, I’m sure) but I always thought her delivery was flat and unconvincing with anything emotional. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2014, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-4-fully-and-openly-spoiled-see-sticky/685175/718 "2014-06-16T20:43:07Z")
Her background is in hardcore pornography, so wooden line delivery might be a professional weakness. ---
**Author:** ![thelurkinghorror](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7c8e57/32.png) [@thelurkinghorror](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thelurkinghorror)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2014, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-4-fully-and-openly-spoiled-see-sticky/685175/719 "2014-06-16T21:40:51Z")
Besides Harryhausen, the Bran scene gave me serious 80s nostalgia. The skeletons and the makeup on the Child, and the roots from the ceiling were very **Dark Crystal** or something like that. > [@typoink](#): > > I’m extremely disappointed by the lack of Lady Stoneheart. So very, very obvious. > > Everything that WAS in the episode was good, but it all felt a little obvious. Really needed a big shocker. Lena Headey trollololol. That scene really needs a “6 months earlier” reveal because the timeframe isn’t clear and she’d be rotted by now (more so than she is supposed to be). I hatehatehate the “poof-zombie Catelyn” idea. I don’t like when we see a flash of an actor and are expected to recognize them. I hated Roz’ death because it had no “intro” and I wasn’t 100% that it was her I was seeing. I see the scene as: Catelyn’s corpse in the river, face down. Some guys (Anguy et al.) fish her out, act surprised (maybe we don’t see her?). Bring her to Beric, then do the rest. Maybe make the ritual vague, or even who they’re working on. > [@Acsenray](#): > > Her background is in hardcore pornography, so wooden line delivery might be a professional weakness. And she has won two Lolas (~German Oscars), i.e. has some acting experience. She’s not really like all the porn stars hired this season. ---
**Author:** ![HazelNutCoffee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ac91a4/32.png) [@HazelNutCoffee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HazelNutCoffee)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2014, 12:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-4-fully-and-openly-spoiled-see-sticky/685175/720 "2014-06-17T00:30:01Z")
I agree that the show is making Stannis into a completely unlikeable character, which is odd because they seem to be trying to do the opposite with Cersei (who was utterly unlikeable in the books). It’s really annoying because the whole point to Stannis is that he is hard but just. The scene in which he ended up sparing Davos was particularly aggravating because on the show he only spares him because Melisandre tells him to. In the book, Davos is spared because he finally reminds the king of what his duty to the realm is. On the show, Ser Onion’s fierce loyalty to Stannis just seems misplaced. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-4-fully-and-openly-spoiled-see-sticky/685175.md?page=35) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-4-fully-and-openly-spoiled-see-sticky/685175.md?page=37)