# Game of Thrones Season 4: \[Fully And Openly Spoiled - See Sticky\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [April 2, 2014, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-4-fully-and-openly-spoiled-see-sticky/685175 "2014-04-02T16:18:14Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![gonzoron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a6a055/32.png) [@gonzoron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzoron)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2014, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-4-fully-and-openly-spoiled-see-sticky/685175/61 "2014-04-07T17:44:12Z")
Yup, and it’s not the first one. Old Nan mentioned Duncan the Tall back in Season 1, and I squeed then as I squeed now. ---
**Author:** ![Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/qadgop_the_mercotan/32/83_2.png) [@Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qadgop_the_Mercotan)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2014, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-4-fully-and-openly-spoiled-see-sticky/685175/62 "2014-04-07T18:10:45Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > Did anyone else notice the small shout out to the rare Dunk and Egg tales with that book of Great Knights? Yup. Egg, brother of Aemon. 🆒 ---
**Author:** ![madmonk28](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madmonk28/32/20811_2.png) [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2014, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-4-fully-and-openly-spoiled-see-sticky/685175/63 "2014-04-07T19:51:27Z")
> [@clairobscur](#): > > Yes, but I find this explanation disapointing and not very credible given what we had seen of Shae before. I’m kind of hoping that we find out Shae was spying for Tywin the whole time and playing both Sansa and Tyrion. If the betrayal isn’t something that huge, then Tyrion killing her will be too out of character with the way he has been portrayed on the show. ---
**Author:** ![Charlie\_Wayne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/4bbf92/32.png) [@Charlie\_Wayne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Charlie_Wayne)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2014, 12:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-4-fully-and-openly-spoiled-see-sticky/685175/64 "2014-04-08T00:37:40Z")
> [@Oakminster](#): > > I’m still hoping they’ll deviate from the books and come up with a more satisfying way for Geoffrey to die. Or maybe kill him off as written, and then ressurect him so they can kill him again…and again. Maybe end each episode with a new and more painful way for that little shit to die… Bravo! Applause! Applause! ---
**Author:** ![Charlie\_Wayne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/4bbf92/32.png) [@Charlie\_Wayne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Charlie_Wayne)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2014, 12:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-4-fully-and-openly-spoiled-see-sticky/685175/65 "2014-04-08T00:41:48Z")
> [@clairobscur](#): > > I suspect we could see her as an introduction scene, in the same she appears in the book, during the hanging of the Frey guys. > > Count me amongst the people who found the last book boring. Characters just roam around doing nothing of any signifiance for the story. Tyrion get captured/escape/get captured/escape/get captured… and nothing of what he does matters. Oh! and he demonstrates his talent at playing chess. There’s the Dornish guy we follow chapter after chapter for a while until he reaches his destination just in time to be roasted by a dragon. So, several chapters of complete irrelevance. Daenerys sits in her throne room trying to hold on her city, which is again of no importance for the story as a whole. Bran spend forever finding his raven and then looks around caves. The supposed Targaryen roams around doing nothing like everybody else. Brienne goes on a wild goose chase for several chapters. A dornish girl spend her time imprisoned in a tower. The Bolton bastard abuse women. The fat lord marches north. Stannis reflects on his next moves. And I could go on. > > There are some element that advance a bit (Cersei storyline, Littlefinger storyline, for instance) and certainly many others are interesting in themselves. But still, I expect a story to progress. I’d rather have Martin finish this damn thing and write sequels, prequels, parrallel stories, etc… if he wants to add material. > > It’s quite striking when you consider how many questions are yet unanswered and how long away we seem to be from a resolution. If I didn’t know better, I would assume that he intends to publish a dozen more books before the end. I truly wonder if he won’t end up at the contrary completely rushing things in his last books. > > Fortunately, the show will have to cut through a lot of this crap. I was just ruminating on how the story about Daenerys has been pretty much a complete bust. It began as a beautiful girl and her brother dreaming of regaining the throne they once had but then devolved into a bunch of stupid shit and never seemed to be very interesting again. I wish they would have just left her out of the TV version completely. What a waste. ---
**Author:** ![chargerrich](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chargerrich/32/5399_2.png) [@chargerrich](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chargerrich)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2014, 1:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-4-fully-and-openly-spoiled-see-sticky/685175/66 "2014-04-08T01:30:45Z")
When the Clegane the Hound and Ayri enter the inn, the Hound demands and chicken and is asked if he can has money to pay for it… the hound responds that the “doesn’t have a penny”… are pennies a currency in this fantasy world or is this an Anachronism mistake? ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2014, 1:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-4-fully-and-openly-spoiled-see-sticky/685175/67 "2014-04-08T01:42:17Z")
> [@chargerrich](#): > > When the Clegane the Hound and Ayri enter the inn, the Hound demands and chicken and is asked if he can has money to pay for it… the hound responds that the “doesn’t have a penny”… are pennies a currency in this fantasy world or is this an Anachronism mistake? They’re cannon currency. The problem with Dunk in the White book is that they listed Arthur Dayne before him! ---
**Author:** ![bump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7c8e57/32.png) [@bump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bump)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2014, 1:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-4-fully-and-openly-spoiled-see-sticky/685175/68 "2014-04-08T01:47:57Z")
> [@chargerrich](#): > > When the Clegane the Hound and Ayri enter the inn, the Hound demands and chicken and is asked if he can has money to pay for it… the hound responds that the “doesn’t have a penny”… are pennies a currency in this fantasy world or is this an Anachronism mistake? > **[Currency](http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Currency)** > > Currency is a system of money in a form used a medium of exchange.\[1\] Most societies use currency in the form of coins made from precious metals such as gold, silver, or copper. (A notable exception is the iron coins used in Braavos.)\[2\] Coins are... ---
**Author:** ![Fair\_Rarity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fair_rarity/32/153_2.png) [@Fair\_Rarity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fair_Rarity)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2014, 1:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-4-fully-and-openly-spoiled-see-sticky/685175/69 "2014-04-08T01:57:15Z")
I loved this episode and I’m counting down to next week, which is going to be epic. I think part of what makes watching the show so fun is watching reactions from the Unsullied afterwards. They now expect big things to happen in episode 9, but I don’t think any of them are ready for the drama that should be episode 2. I ended up on a long wiki walk today trying to figure out why Doran Martell didn’t join up in the war at any point. I know why he waited, but there were points where he could have jumped in and I was trying to remember if there was anything explicit in why he waited. (The answer, for those who forgot like me, is basically he wants to extract his vengeance his way and that’s not his long-term plan.) Anyway, on my wiki walk I came across an interesting theory. What if HE was in control somehow of Shae? That she was in his employ or debt somehow. She was so evasive about personal questions and he claimed later to be responsible for Tywin’s death. If Shae acted as Doran’s agent somehow, it would add another layer to things later this season. A lot of people seem to wonder how show!Shae will do what book!Shae does because it seems nonsensical to her character there, but if Doran is her ultimate boss, it gives her motivation that she’s missing on the show now. Granted, even if it’s true, we wouldn’t see that in-show for several seasons, but like Doran, GRRM slow plays some things. ---
**Author:** ![Sterling\_Archer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f1d935/32.png) [@Sterling\_Archer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sterling_Archer)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2014, 2:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-4-fully-and-openly-spoiled-see-sticky/685175/70 "2014-04-08T02:20:42Z")
Yes penny is legitimate but probably not in all currencies. Characters also refer to a coin of little value as a groat. I was a bit surprised they used “miles” in the child slave hung on the post scene. ---
**Author:** ![Sterling\_Archer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f1d935/32.png) [@Sterling\_Archer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sterling_Archer)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2014, 2:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-4-fully-and-openly-spoiled-see-sticky/685175/71 "2014-04-08T02:22:40Z")
> [@Snarky\_Kong](#): > > They’re cannon currency. > > The problem with Dunk in the White book is that they listed Arthur Dayne before him! Yes! Arthur Dayne died fighting young Ned Stark. Should be quite recent compared to Duncan. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2014, 2:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-4-fully-and-openly-spoiled-see-sticky/685175/72 "2014-04-08T02:49:47Z")
> [@Fair\_Rarity](#): > > A lot of people seem to wonder how show!Shae will do what book!Shae does … I can’t make heads or tails of this. What does it mean? ---
**Author:** ![Angua](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/8baadc/32.png) [@Angua](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Angua)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2014, 3:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-4-fully-and-openly-spoiled-see-sticky/685175/73 "2014-04-08T03:06:13Z")
> [@Acsenray](#): > > I can’t make heads or tails of this. What does it mean? show!Shae == “Shae, with the characterization as portrayed in the TV show” book!Shae == “Shae, with the characterization as portrayed in the books” ---
**Author:** ![Reverse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e79b87/32.png) [@Reverse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Reverse)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2014, 3:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-4-fully-and-openly-spoiled-see-sticky/685175/74 "2014-04-08T03:27:41Z")
> [@Sterling\_Archer](#): > > I was a bit surprised they used “miles” in the child slave hung on the post scene. I agree, you’d expect civilized people to use the metric system. ---
**Author:** ![Rex\_Goliath](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bcef8e/32.png) [@Rex\_Goliath](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rex_Goliath)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2014, 4:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-4-fully-and-openly-spoiled-see-sticky/685175/75 "2014-04-08T04:51:53Z")
> [@chinchalinchin](#): > > : When Brienne arrives at Quiet Isle and meets all the monks, if you blink, you might miss that one of the monks bears a striking resemblance to Sandor Clegane. It’s never explicitly stated, but if you infer from the details we know about the Hound’s unruly horse, the wounds he has sustained and his height, then the only conclusion is Clegana survived his final encounter with Arya and is currently seeking some form of redemption for his acts. Related: the new high septom is described almost exactly like Howland Reed. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2014, 5:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-4-fully-and-openly-spoiled-see-sticky/685175/76 "2014-04-08T05:03:23Z")
> [@Sterling\_Archer](#): > > Yes penny is legitimate but probably not in all currencies. Characters also refer to a coin of little value as a groat. > > I was a bit surprised they used “miles” in the child slave hung on the post scene. Meh, it means thousand paces so it’s likely many peoples had such a word. Besides are not their words translated to English? I think it’s silly to translate every thing they are saying… except a couple odd words. Pence likely meant “pledge” or something similar so it’d be a common concept. ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2014, 6:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-4-fully-and-openly-spoiled-see-sticky/685175/77 "2014-04-08T06:02:18Z")
> [@Charlie\_Wayne](#): > > Does anyone have any idea just how violent and/or gruesome Joff’s death will likely be? > > Personally, I would love to see him get what he deserves in a very violent way. I have a feeling that if it was very violent, it would be a scene that I would love to watch over and over again. I have a weird hope that they will strip him for the bedding before he dies. I don’t find the actor attractive- way too skinny-but both actor and character are so arrogant and Joff so evil that I think dying naked and afraid would add an extra touch of humiliation and infantike powerlessness to somebody who has abused his robes and power. ---
**Author:** ![Rex\_Goliath](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bcef8e/32.png) [@Rex\_Goliath](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rex_Goliath)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2014, 6:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-4-fully-and-openly-spoiled-see-sticky/685175/78 "2014-04-08T06:16:02Z")
**Sampiro** , that comeuppance is due to Cersei in ADWD. It’d be a bit gauche to repeat. ---
**Author:** ![Alba](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ea666f/32.png) [@Alba](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alba)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2014, 8:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-4-fully-and-openly-spoiled-see-sticky/685175/79 "2014-04-08T08:02:47Z")
> [@JSexton](#): > > Check me on this: The Thenns were never referred to as cannibals in the books, were they? Scary and mean, sure, but not cannibals. There are cannibals on the isle of Skagos, and we think that Rickon may have ended up there, so maybe they intend to combine these for the show? I don’t remember anything about the Thenns being cannibals either. It also seems out of line because a House Thenn will be formed.[wiki](http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Thenn_(people)) ---
**Author:** ![Charlie\_Wayne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/4bbf92/32.png) [@Charlie\_Wayne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Charlie_Wayne)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2014, 8:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-4-fully-and-openly-spoiled-see-sticky/685175/80 "2014-04-08T08:07:25Z")
> [@Sampiro](#): > > I have a weird hope that they will strip him for the bedding before he dies. I don’t find the actor attractive- way too skinny-but both actor and character are so arrogant and Joff so evil that I think dying naked and afraid would add an extra touch of humiliation and infantike powerlessness to somebody who has abused his robes and power. I had never heard of any arrogant or other bad behavior from the actor. Can you tell me of any incidences or can you provide any links? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-4-fully-and-openly-spoiled-see-sticky/685175.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-4-fully-and-openly-spoiled-see-sticky/685175.md?page=5)