# Game of Thrones Season 4: \[Fully And Openly Spoiled - See Sticky\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [April 2, 2014, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-4-fully-and-openly-spoiled-see-sticky/685175 "2014-04-02T16:18:14Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![AK84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85e7bf/32.png) [@AK84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AK84)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2014, 10:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-4-fully-and-openly-spoiled-see-sticky/685175/81 "2014-04-08T10:18:01Z")
Did Martell mention Rhaegar this last episode? Cause I am sure most of the unsullied thought (who). Are they going to bring Jon Snows parentage in the show at last? ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2014, 10:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-4-fully-and-openly-spoiled-see-sticky/685175/82 "2014-04-08T10:44:08Z")
> [@Angua](#): > > show!Shae == “Shae, with the characterization as portrayed in the TV show” > > book!Shae == “Shae, with the characterization as portrayed in the books” I don’t want to go off on a tangent, but what a jarring and annoying use of an exclamation point. I’d beg you to find another way to do it. Heck even “Book Shae” or “Book-Shae” are 100 percent clear and without jarring uses of punctuation. ---
**Author:** ![gonzoron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a6a055/32.png) [@gonzoron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzoron)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2014, 12:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-4-fully-and-openly-spoiled-see-sticky/685175/83 "2014-04-08T12:41:21Z")
> [@Snarky\_Kong](#): > > The problem with Dunk in the White book is that they listed Arthur Dayne before him! Maybe it’s alphabetical? Using first name instead of last if no last exists? Dayne, Duncan, … Lannister Would be a pain to update without a word processor, though. 🙂 > [@AK84](#): > > Did Martell mention Rhaegar this last episode? Cause I am sure most of the unsullied thought (who). Are they going to bring Jon Snows parentage in the show at last? Nah, the show’s mentioned him lots of times. Martell did mention him, but it wasn’t the first time. The casual viewer might not remember who he is, but the obsessed internet fans have already figured out the R+J=L theory, from TV sources alone. (Unless of course they are really book readers trolling as unsullied, or they got spoiled by something from a “helpful” book reader.) ---
**Author:** ![Angua](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/8baadc/32.png) [@Angua](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Angua)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2014, 1:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-4-fully-and-openly-spoiled-see-sticky/685175/84 "2014-04-08T13:31:30Z")
> [@Acsenray](#): > > I don’t want to go off on a tangent, but what a jarring and annoying use of an exclamation point. I’d beg you to find another way to do it. Heck even “Book Shae” or “Book-Shae” are 100 percent clear and without jarring uses of punctuation. Its pretty standard amongst a lot of fan-fiction and internet communities. And I am with the camp who want Joffery dead already. You’d have thought he’d have learned his lesson after the poo-flinging incident, but no. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2014, 2:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-4-fully-and-openly-spoiled-see-sticky/685175/85 "2014-04-08T14:13:25Z")
> [@Angua](#): > > Its pretty standard amongst a lot of fan-fiction and internet communities. I don’t doubt it. I am still hoping that it doesn’t become standard here. ---
**Author:** ![clairobscur](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/839c29/32.png) [@clairobscur](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/clairobscur)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2014, 5:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-4-fully-and-openly-spoiled-see-sticky/685175/86 "2014-04-08T17:47:34Z")
> [@madmonk28](#): > > I’m kind of hoping that we find out Shae was spying for Tywin the whole time and playing both Sansa and Tyrion. If the betrayal isn’t something that huge, then Tyrion killing her will be too out of character with the way he has been portrayed on the show. I don’t expect this. Viewers would rightfully feel betrayed if it turned out that all they thought they knew about Shae was a lie all along. It would really be a cheap trick. I hope the directors had the gut to make Tyrion kill Shae; I will be disapointed if they didn’t. The fact they’re turning Shae into a jealous harpy hints this way,though. I’m not enthralled by the concept, but it’s still better than having her killed by Tiwyn or something. ---
**Author:** ![clairobscur](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/839c29/32.png) [@clairobscur](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/clairobscur)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2014, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-4-fully-and-openly-spoiled-see-sticky/685175/87 "2014-04-08T17:50:04Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > Did anyone else notice the small shout out to the rare Dunk and Egg tales with that book of Great Knights? I thought it was the same character but wasn’t very sure. ---
**Author:** ![Sterling\_Archer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f1d935/32.png) [@Sterling\_Archer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sterling_Archer)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2014, 8:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-4-fully-and-openly-spoiled-see-sticky/685175/88 "2014-04-08T20:47:12Z")
I thought they were setting up Shae to be tortured by Cersei & Qyburn. Instead of catching the wrong whore, she’ll catch the right one. Tyrion still felt compelled to coorperate in the book, so it wouldn’t change that aspect. I don’t see how this can lead to Shae’s death at Tyrion’s hands, though, so maybe they’ll do away with the Tywin-Shae weirdness and strangulation. ---
**Author:** ![Biggirl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biggirl/32/3294_2.png) [@Biggirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biggirl)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2014, 9:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-4-fully-and-openly-spoiled-see-sticky/685175/89 "2014-04-08T21:44:31Z")
Why is it so hard to envision Tyrion killing TV Shae? She still gets to humiliate him at his trial and fuck his father. That should be enough to drive a man to kill a woman he thought he loved. ---
**Author:** ![sohvan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/96bed5/32.png) [@sohvan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sohvan)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2014, 9:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-4-fully-and-openly-spoiled-see-sticky/685175/90 "2014-04-08T21:54:03Z")
At least [two more seasons](http://www.theverge.com/entertainment/2014/4/8/5594448/hbo-orders-two-more-seasons-of-game-of-thrones) after this one. ---
**Author:** ![lisiate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f05b48/32.png) [@lisiate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lisiate)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2014, 10:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-4-fully-and-openly-spoiled-see-sticky/685175/91 "2014-04-08T22:25:18Z")
> [@Rex\_Goliath](#): > > Related: the new high septom is described almost exactly like Howland Reed. Wait, what? I’ve never heard of this one! ---
**Author:** ![HazelNutCoffee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ac91a4/32.png) [@HazelNutCoffee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HazelNutCoffee)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2014, 12:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-4-fully-and-openly-spoiled-see-sticky/685175/92 "2014-04-09T00:41:41Z")
> [@Biggirl](#): > > Why is it so hard to envision Tyrion killing TV Shae? She still gets to humiliate him at his trial and fuck his father. That should be enough to drive a man to kill a woman he thought he loved. It’s hard to imagine TV Shae doing those things - at least, it is for me, at this point in the series. So the necklace that Sansa got from Dontos - is that going to replace the purple hairnet? The stones in that necklace looked too big to remove without the wearer noticing. ---
**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2014, 1:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-4-fully-and-openly-spoiled-see-sticky/685175/93 "2014-04-09T01:32:09Z")
> [@Sampiro](#): > > I have a weird hope that they will strip him for the bedding before he dies. I don’t find the actor attractive- way too skinny-but both actor and character are so arrogant and Joff so evil that I think dying naked and afraid would add an extra touch of humiliation and infantike powerlessness to somebody who has abused his robes and power. You’re not the only one thinking that. 😉 And if dying naked in front of a crowd isn’t humiliating enough; remember there’s a reason why some prisons make inmates wear diapers during the execution. > [@Charlie\_Wayne](#): > > I had never heard of any arrogant or other bad behavior from the actor. > > Can you tell me of any incidences or can you provide any links? Everything I’ve heard about Jack Gleeson is that he’s Joffrey’s polar opposite, and he plans on giving up acting in favour of an academic career. ---
**Author:** ![Lakai](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/9de0a6/32.png) [@Lakai](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lakai)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2014, 1:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-4-fully-and-openly-spoiled-see-sticky/685175/94 "2014-04-09T01:43:17Z")
> [@lisiate](#): > > Wait, what? I’ve never heard of this one! Not like Howland Reed, but like a Crannogman. This is wild book speculation, but you can read about it [here](http://www.reddit.com/r/asoiaf/comments/1yljs8/spoilers_all_high_septon_tinfoil_theory/). ---
**Author:** ![Biggirl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biggirl/32/3294_2.png) [@Biggirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biggirl)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2014, 1:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-4-fully-and-openly-spoiled-see-sticky/685175/95 "2014-04-09T01:46:20Z")
Way back in season 1 I worried about Jack Gleeson. Good thing his real life person is not that well known in The States, because I could see people _hating_ him in the US. And, sometimes, we have a problem separating the actor from the character. And another thing. . . Why isn’t he being heaped with acting awards and accolades? He’s the absolute perfect Joffery. So much so that our very own Sampiro thinks he’s an awful person in real life. Actually, I think his lack of acting accolades is lending support to the idea that Jack Gleeson is a terrible person in real life. ---
**Author:** ![interface2x](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/c0e974/32.png) [@interface2x](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/interface2x)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2014, 3:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-4-fully-and-openly-spoiled-see-sticky/685175/96 "2014-04-09T03:09:55Z")
> [@Charlie\_Wayne](#): > > I had never heard of any arrogant or other bad behavior from the actor. > > Can you tell me of any incidences or can you provide any links? Yeah, everything I’ve heard is that the actor is one of the sweetest guys you could meet. In fact, he apparently regularly would apologize to the other actors/actresses on the set about the terrible things he had to say as Joffrey. > [@HazelNutCoffee](#): > > So the necklace that Sansa got from Dontos - is that going to replace the purple hairnet? The stones in that necklace looked too big to remove without the wearer noticing. It’s looking like the necklace is replacing the hairnet. ---
**Author:** ![clairobscur](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/839c29/32.png) [@clairobscur](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/clairobscur)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2014, 12:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-4-fully-and-openly-spoiled-see-sticky/685175/97 "2014-04-09T12:38:30Z")
> [@interface2x](#): > > It’s looking like the necklace is replacing the hairnet. Easier to notice visually, I guess? And there probably will be some interference with the necklace Grandma Tyrell is searching for Margaery. ---
**Author:** ![chinchalinchin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b9bd4f/32.png) [@chinchalinchin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chinchalinchin)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2014, 2:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-4-fully-and-openly-spoiled-see-sticky/685175/98 "2014-04-09T14:44:57Z")
I’m surprised no one has mentioned this (they may have in the unspoiled thread, I haven’t read it yet) but, the show pretty much confirmed R + L = J speculation with this episode, right? It was always unclear what exactly transpired between Rhaegar and Elia and how Lyanna was involved. But now it’s pretty clear, based on what Oberyn said, Rhaegar left Elia for Lyanna and presumably fathered Jon, right? ---
**Author:** ![drastic\_quench](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e36b37/32.png) [@drastic\_quench](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drastic_quench)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2014, 3:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-4-fully-and-openly-spoiled-see-sticky/685175/99 "2014-04-09T15:05:01Z")
> [@chinchalinchin](#): > > I’m surprised no one has mentioned this (they may have in the unspoiled thread, I haven’t read it yet) but, the show pretty much confirmed R + L = J speculation with this episode, right? It was always unclear what exactly transpired between Rhaegar and Elia and how Lyanna was involved. But now it’s pretty clear, based on what Oberyn said, Rhaegar left Elia for Lyanna and presumably fathered Jon, right? You’re making a huge leap that the show has not. We don’t know if he left Elia to violently take Lyanna (like Robert must’ve believed). We don’t know if they had a child. We don’t know who that theoretical child is. Howland Reed is the only man who could clear up these things, and we’ve not seen him so far. ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2014, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-4-fully-and-openly-spoiled-see-sticky/685175/100 "2014-04-09T19:04:29Z")
> [@Charlie\_Wayne](#): > > I had never heard of any arrogant or other bad behavior from the actor. > > Can you tell me of any incidences or can you provide any links? Sorry- I dictated to Siri and this came out a bit mangled in the transliteration. I was meaning to say I don’t find the actor or the character attractive. (The only thing I know about the actor is that he plans to quit acting for a while upon leaving the show concentrate on this studies in theology in Hebrew.) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-4-fully-and-openly-spoiled-see-sticky/685175.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-4-fully-and-openly-spoiled-see-sticky/685175.md?page=6)