# Game of Thrones (season 5) BOOK SPOILERS!! TV SPOILERS! **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [April 13, 2015, 2:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-5-book-spoilers-tv-spoilers/717539 "2015-04-13T02:13:53Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2015, 2:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-5-book-spoilers-tv-spoilers/717539/181 "2015-04-29T02:32:47Z")
> [@Snarky\_Kong](#): > > Jaqen says something like “there is only one god, and you know his name” which is very similar to how Syrio said “there is only one god, and his name is death.” > > I’m completely in the “Syrio is dead, get over it” camp. So am i, but that line is certainly supportive of that theory. ---
**Author:** ![thelurkinghorror](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7c8e57/32.png) [@thelurkinghorror](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thelurkinghorror)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2015, 4:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-5-book-spoilers-tv-spoilers/717539/182 "2015-04-29T04:08:38Z")
> [@Snarky\_Kong](#): > > Jaqen says something like “there is only one god, and you know his name” which is very similar to how Syrio said “there is only one god, and his name is death.” > > I’m completely in the “Syrio is dead, get over it” camp. It means they’re both from/lived in Braavos, where that god is well known. Syrio coming back would be too… convenient? Not a fan. Greyjoys could still be in next season. I’m holding out for Manderley, but less hopeful. There is some speculation in the spoilerific internet news that Sansa will take his place. That seems too out of character it seems. ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2015, 4:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-5-book-spoilers-tv-spoilers/717539/183 "2015-04-29T04:16:11Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > So am i, but that line is certainly supportive of that theory. I dunno; George didn’t write it. I think it’s just the guys winking at the book readers. ---
**Author:** ![Emiliana](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f0a364/32.png) [@Emiliana](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Emiliana)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2015, 11:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-5-book-spoilers-tv-spoilers/717539/184 "2015-04-29T11:13:29Z")
Ah, got it, thanks. I never saw any reason for thinking Syrio might be alive. ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2015, 7:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-5-book-spoilers-tv-spoilers/717539/185 "2015-04-29T19:31:39Z")
> [@Emiliana](#): > > I never saw any reason for thinking Syrio might be alive. I actually liked the scene where The Hound demonstrated the downside of Syrio’s method (i.e. fancy swordplay with a light weapon and no armor). ---
**Author:** ![ISiddiqui](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/97f17d/32.png) [@ISiddiqui](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ISiddiqui)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2015, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-5-book-spoilers-tv-spoilers/717539/186 "2015-04-29T20:26:08Z")
> [@Teach-me-not](#): > > I don’t know how I feel about this. On the one hand, it’s reassuring to know what the original players in the story are the ones who matter. On the other hand, if this is the case, what’s the point of the ten thousand new characters? I’m far more of a journey is more important than the end result type of reader, so I’m fine with it. The new characters add a lot more depth to the land, IMO, and add depth to the characters we know. ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2015, 12:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-5-book-spoilers-tv-spoilers/717539/187 "2015-05-01T00:48:56Z")
Is Littlefinger Lord of the Riverlands in the show or just Lord of Harrenhall? If he’s not, is it Frey? ---
**Author:** ![MaxTheVool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@MaxTheVool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MaxTheVool)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2015, 12:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-5-book-spoilers-tv-spoilers/717539/188 "2015-05-01T00:59:59Z")
> [@Sampiro](#): > > I actually liked the scene where The Hound demonstrated the downside of Syrio’s method (i.e. fancy swordplay with a light weapon and no armor). In fairness, that was the method that Syrio was teaching to a tiny 13-year-old-ish girl. One would assume that when he was the first sword of Braavos, which is not known as a city of impractical dreamers, he was quite aware of the existence of things like armor and big strong opponents and so forth. ---
**Author:** ![ISiddiqui](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/97f17d/32.png) [@ISiddiqui](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ISiddiqui)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2015, 1:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-5-book-spoilers-tv-spoilers/717539/189 "2015-05-04T01:59:47Z")
DID THEY JUST KILL BARRISTAN?!! Damn you show, damn you! Aside from that, I’m glad they have finally started on the rehabilitation of Stannis’ character arc. The whole Shireen speech, Littlefinger referring to him as the finest military commander in Westeros. This Stannis fan was sated. Also too few Sand Snakes. Just made the whole “we need to strike first” thing seem more meh. ---
**Author:** ![Bruce\_Wayne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bruce\_Wayne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bruce_Wayne)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2015, 2:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-5-book-spoilers-tv-spoilers/717539/190 "2015-05-04T02:02:23Z")
They spent a few minutes talking about Rhaegar and Lyanna in this last episode. Stannis also mentioned how it wasn’t Ned’s way to make bastards with barmaids. I have a feeling what the end of season cliffhanger/revelation is gonna be. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2015, 2:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-5-book-spoilers-tv-spoilers/717539/191 "2015-05-04T02:03:32Z")
> [@Bruce\_Wayne](#): > > They spent a few minutes talking about Rhaegar and Lyanna in this last episode. Stannis also mentioned how it wasn’t Ned’s way to make bastards with barmaids. I have a feeling what the end of season cliffhanger/revelation is gonna be. From who though? Mellisandre? ---
**Author:** ![Bruce\_Wayne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bruce\_Wayne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bruce_Wayne)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2015, 2:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-5-book-spoilers-tv-spoilers/717539/192 "2015-05-04T02:06:14Z")
Or littlefinger, he seemed like he knew something talking with Sansa. ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2015, 2:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-5-book-spoilers-tv-spoilers/717539/193 "2015-05-04T02:15:35Z")
Pfft, yeah, like Littlefinger would have been at the Harrenhall tourney! He stole the Hound background story in season 1 too. I liked that Obara told the story of how she met Oberyn. That and the Rhaegar story were some good fan service. I think it’s up in the air whether or not one or both of Grey Work/Barristan are dead. I’ll guess one, but not both. The question of who would reveal R+L=J is also present in the books. Howland Reed would know, but he’s not around. ---
**Author:** ![ISiddiqui](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/97f17d/32.png) [@ISiddiqui](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ISiddiqui)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2015, 2:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-5-book-spoilers-tv-spoilers/717539/194 "2015-05-04T02:18:12Z")
> [@Snarky\_Kong](#): > > I think it’s up in the air whether or not one or both of Grey Work/Barristan are dead. I’ll guess one, but not both. I think Grey Worm will survive, but Barristan is a goner… In the “Next week on…” Barristan was lying on something like a funeral bier in Dany’s throne room ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2015, 3:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-5-book-spoilers-tv-spoilers/717539/195 "2015-05-04T03:20:26Z")
> [@Snarky\_Kong](#): > > Pfft, yeah, like Littlefinger would have been at the Harrenhall tourney! He stole the Hound background story in season 1 too. > > I liked that Obara told the story of how she met Oberyn. That and the Rhaegar story were some good fan service. > > I think it’s up in the air whether or not one or both of Grey Work/Barristan are dead. I’ll guess one, but not both. > > The question of who would reveal R+L=J is also present in the books. Howland Reed would know, but he’s not around. I liked BOTH Rhaegar stories, and how they contrasted with each other. ---
**Author:** ![magnusblitz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b4bc9f/32.png) [@magnusblitz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magnusblitz)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2015, 5:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-5-book-spoilers-tv-spoilers/717539/196 "2015-05-04T05:37:53Z")
Yeah, I’m worried Barristan’s gonna kick it, for the same reasons (preview doesn’t look good). Boo. ☹ I like that they worked in Obera’s story, but ugh, that whole scene was just cringeworthy. And I’m really started to get tired of the dialogue design where a character will be asked a simple yes or no question, and the person will respond with a long pause then launch into a lengthy monologue. It’s barely a step up from Family Guy’s “remember that one time when…” design. Sometimes it works (Stannis’ was pretty good) but others just seem forced. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2015, 5:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-5-book-spoilers-tv-spoilers/717539/197 "2015-05-04T05:39:55Z")
> [@ISiddiqui](#): > > No sir, I don’t like it (I say in reference to the Sansa change). I don’t buy that Sansa would protest for like 2 seconds and be like ok. Secondly, I don’t buy that Littlefinger would just give up his trump card for… what? In the books, Littlefinger’s plan is genius - marry Alayne to Harrold the Heir (presumably kill Robert Arryn afterwards) and then, when Sansa is Lady of the Vale, reveal her to the world, and have the North declare for her (as she is entitled to the North by right since everyone else is supposedly dead). This… this just really makes no sense. Show-Littlefinger is definitely not as cunning as Book-Littlefinger. I have to say the Unsullied or the IlLiterati or those who just prefer Tv over books 😛 no long have to worry about “book spoilers”- as of this epi, the show has taken so many and such serious turns from the books that even those who have read and remember ( I read, cant remember:smack: ) now \*know \*fuck-all what’s gonna happen next. ---
**Author:** ![magnusblitz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b4bc9f/32.png) [@magnusblitz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magnusblitz)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2015, 5:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-5-book-spoilers-tv-spoilers/717539/198 "2015-05-04T05:46:16Z")
I do find it interesting they’re switching Margaery with Loras for the trial, though. Suddenly makes sense why they’ve played up the “he’s gay” angle so much. ---
**Author:** ![Smid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/838e76/32.png) [@Smid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smid)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2015, 7:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-5-book-spoilers-tv-spoilers/717539/199 "2015-05-04T07:42:29Z")
Was I the only one going “Cersei might be an idiot, but THAT much of an idiot???” when she actually gave the sparrows the arms? From my memory of the books, they had some sort of pay off from the church, and in return they asked for the faith to be rearmed. Now, the anyone with the slightest sense would have said no, but Cersei there was simply uninformed. And had a good enough reason to consider it. But show Cersei just gives the right to arms to a massive new faction, so they can go and round up the gay brother of their enemies? They were doing a pretty good job unarmed in seeking out the ones who offended them. Maybe it doesn’t make much difference, really. However, it annoyed me. ---
**Author:** ![Smid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/838e76/32.png) [@Smid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smid)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2015, 7:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-5-book-spoilers-tv-spoilers/717539/200 "2015-05-04T07:48:37Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > I have to say the Unsullied or the IlLiterati or those who just prefer Tv over books 😛 > no long have to worry about “book spoilers”- as of this epi, the show has taken so many and such serious turns from the books that even those who have read and remember ( I read, cant remember:smack: ) now \*know \*fuck-all what’s gonna happen next. Yes, it might be time to reconsider the ability to spoiler in the main episode threads, “the books now exist”. There isn’t much left to spoiler, Jon Snow, Walk of Shame, Mercy? If the Bolton’s are not alive at the end of this seasoin, hardholme has happened, Tyrion has reached Danys, and Frankengregor fight is resolved, then the show is way past the books… Grayscale and Rhaegar have been mentioned a fair bit now, so I suspect a whole lot of main arcs might be spoilered too… Then again, nearly halfway through the season now. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-5-book-spoilers-tv-spoilers/717539.md?page=9) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-5-book-spoilers-tv-spoilers/717539.md?page=11)