# Game of Thrones (season 5) BOOK SPOILERS!! TV SPOILERS! **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [April 13, 2015, 2:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-5-book-spoilers-tv-spoilers/717539 "2015-04-13T02:13:53Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Emiliana](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f0a364/32.png) [@Emiliana](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Emiliana)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2015, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-5-book-spoilers-tv-spoilers/717539/21 "2015-04-13T17:40:07Z")
> [@ISiddiqui](#): > > The one involving Varys’s little birds killing Kevan Lannister (who was running everything after Cersei’s Walk of Shame and doing a decent job at it) and Grand Maester Pycelle. Ah, that! I really should re-read it but there’s just so much pointless meandering a person can take. ---
**Author:** ![thelurkinghorror](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7c8e57/32.png) [@thelurkinghorror](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thelurkinghorror)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2015, 7:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-5-book-spoilers-tv-spoilers/717539/22 "2015-04-13T19:31:16Z")
> [@Emiliana](#): > > Why does it matter if Jon Snow is a virgin? They always get sacrificed by otherworldly witch women in Hammer Horror-type genres? Tormund seemed to get an unusual amount of camera fixations, which made me wonder if the were the replacement. I kind of like the TV character, so I almost hope not. > [@ISiddiqui](#): > > I noticed in the credits that it was listed as “Guest Star: Ciardan Hines” (or however you spell his name), meaning it seems like the switch-a-roo isn’t planned. I’ve learned that the credits mean nothing. ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2015, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-5-book-spoilers-tv-spoilers/717539/23 "2015-04-13T20:18:22Z")
Melisandre is the character I’m most disappointed with appearance wise. Every year I go to DragonCon, a huge cosplay fan-con in Atlanta, and there are any number of from-the-book Melisandre’s who are MUCH better. In the novels she’s Maureen O’Hara in her prime clothed in scarlet robes with a ruby amulet that supernaturally glows at times; in the miniseries she’s just “central casting Mary Magdalene understudy”. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2015, 9:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-5-book-spoilers-tv-spoilers/717539/24 "2015-04-13T21:54:47Z")
> [@Snarky\_Kong](#): > > They were supposed to free “Arya.” > > I think he’s dead. I never liked the glamor. It didn’t add anything and just seemed like a Deus Ex Machina. The guy that burned acted like Mance too, not screaming like Rattleshirt did in the books. > > Where will Sansa go? Spoiler for speculation based on leaked information. > > Rumor has it she’s going to be married off to Ramsay. I can comment on the direction of Sansa’s journey. Yeah, the leaked episodes have her meet Ramsey(his bastard son) and she is engaged to him. It’s a horrifying thought. ---
**Author:** ![JSexton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/96bed5/32.png) [@JSexton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JSexton)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2015, 10:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-5-book-spoilers-tv-spoilers/717539/25 "2015-04-13T22:57:11Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > I can comment on the direction of Sansa’s journey. > > Yeah, the leaked episodes have her meet Ramsey(his bastard son) and she is engaged to him. It’s a horrifying thought. It makes a lot of sense to do it this way. Book Sansa is faffing about doing very little. This gives Jon a much clearer (for the viewers, I mean) reason to go to Winterfell. No need to muck around with glamours and fake Aryas. Presumably Jon himself will do the bard thing (or some other pretense to gain access) and be the one to meet up with Theon. ---
**Author:** ![by-tor](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/by-tor/32/266_2.png) [@by-tor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/by-tor)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2015, 11:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-5-book-spoilers-tv-spoilers/717539/26 "2015-04-13T23:35:41Z")
@Sampiro Really? I disagree that she is doing a bad job. I am wondering who will be left for Ayra to get revenge on, once she finally becomes a super assassin. ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2015, 11:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-5-book-spoilers-tv-spoilers/717539/27 "2015-04-13T23:52:25Z")
> [@by-tor](#): > > @Sampiro Really? I disagree that she is doing a bad job. > > I am wondering who will be left for Ayra to get revenge on, once she finally becomes a super assassin. I really don’t think she’ll become a super assassin or she’ll go on a killing spree against those that have wronged her. That’s not this series. In the books her list is: the Tickler, Polliver, Amory Lorch, Weese, Chyswyck, Dunsen, Raff the Sweetling, the Mountain, Meryn Trant, Ilyn Payne, the Hound, Joffrey, Cersei, Tywin. The Mountain (kinda), Meryn Trant, Ilyn Payne, the Hound (probably), and Cersei are still alive. I could maaaybe see her killing Trant or Payne. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2015, 12:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-5-book-spoilers-tv-spoilers/717539/28 "2015-04-14T00:59:47Z")
> [@fusoya](#): > > Anyone else think that these “the books DON"T EVEN EXIST…in fact the leaked episodes DON’T EVEN EXIST” folk need to get off their high thrones? I mean, it’s one thing to not discuss anything from the literature in the thread, but all of this LALAALALALALA THERE _IS_ NO BOOK just seems insulting to both the author and his many fans, without which the TV show wouldn’t even exist either. Something that has just always bothered me about this site’s approach to the discussion. I believe you are supposed to take these issues to ATMB. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2015, 1:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-5-book-spoilers-tv-spoilers/717539/29 "2015-04-14T01:15:11Z")
I was disappointed to see that they replaced the term “goodmother” with “mother-by-law.” They think TV viewers won’t figure out what that means in context? ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2015, 1:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-5-book-spoilers-tv-spoilers/717539/30 "2015-04-14T01:52:02Z")
> [@Snarky\_Kong](#): > > I think he’s dead. I never liked the glamor. It didn’t add anything and just seemed like a Deus Ex Machina. The guy that burned acted like Mance too, not screaming like Rattleshirt did in the books. Hmmm … I don’t know. There were some “meaningful stares” during that scene, now that I think of it. ---
**Author:** ![shantih](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f6c823/32.png) [@shantih](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/shantih)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2015, 10:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-5-book-spoilers-tv-spoilers/717539/31 "2015-04-14T10:54:08Z")
We’ll see how it develops, but my take on the meaningful stares between Mance and Tormond is that if Mance really is dead, and it appears that he is, Tormund will be the one to take over as de facto King Beyond the Wall and thus be the one that Stannis works with when making agreements about the Free Folk. What I’m most excited about (besides Arya’s story) are the changes to Sansa’s story, making her more of an active player than one acted-upon. From the trailers and a few hints in the first episode, it looks like she’ll end up at Winterfell, and if she ends up serving Frey pie at some point, I will be very happy indeed. ---
**Author:** ![ISiddiqui](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/97f17d/32.png) [@ISiddiqui](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ISiddiqui)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2015, 3:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-5-book-spoilers-tv-spoilers/717539/32 "2015-04-14T15:26:23Z")
> [@JSexton](#): > > Book Sansa is faffing about doing very little. Book Sansa is actually learning how to be cunning and scheming. I really enjoy the Sansa chapters as she transforms to Littlefinger’s apprentice. ---
**Author:** ![ISiddiqui](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/97f17d/32.png) [@ISiddiqui](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ISiddiqui)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2015, 3:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-5-book-spoilers-tv-spoilers/717539/33 "2015-04-14T15:32:31Z")
Actually, the more I think about it… I really, really hate the Sansa change. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2015, 3:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-5-book-spoilers-tv-spoilers/717539/34 "2015-04-14T15:57:46Z")
> [@ISiddiqui](#): > > Actually, the more I think about it… I really, really hate the Sansa change. I’m at least waiting to see it. Maybe it will work. I think of the books and TV show as two separate, but related, universes. Like two versions of a Batman story, or two King Arthur stories. ---
**Author:** ![Biggirl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biggirl/32/3294_2.png) [@Biggirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biggirl)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2015, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-5-book-spoilers-tv-spoilers/717539/35 "2015-04-14T16:31:32Z")
The show is getting rid of all the story lines that belong in a Tales from Mos Eisley Cantina addition of GOT and not in the main book. Who cares about a contender that gets roasted? Why waste time with that Poole woman if it comes to nothing? Why switch which wilding leader gets killed? Will we see the Ironborn story or what happens to Cersei’s daughter (i forgot her name. It’s not Shereen, that’s Stannis’ girl and not Mereen cuz that’s where Dany is) in the desert? I wonder. ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2015, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-5-book-spoilers-tv-spoilers/717539/36 "2015-04-14T16:47:30Z")
Question about the leaked episodes (which I don’t plan to watch except as they air but would like to know this about): Does Lady Stoneheart appear? ---
**Author:** ![thelurkinghorror](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7c8e57/32.png) [@thelurkinghorror](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thelurkinghorror)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2015, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-5-book-spoilers-tv-spoilers/717539/37 "2015-04-14T17:21:03Z")
> [@Biggirl](#): > > The show is getting rid of all the story lines that belong in a Tales from Mos Eisley Cantina addition of GOT and not in the main book. Who cares about a contender that gets roasted? Why waste time with that Poole woman if it comes to nothing? Why switch which wilding leader gets killed? I am not a fan of Chekhov’s gun, so I don’t mind storylines that don’t work. The Quentyn parts weren’t my favorite though. Theon will have to help Sansa and confess that her brothers are still alive. > [@](#): > > Will we see the Ironborn story or what happens to Cersei’s daughter (i forgot her name. It’s not Shereen, that’s Stannis’ girl and not Mereen cuz that’s where Dany is) in the desert? I wonder. I doubt it; no Ironborn casting has been done to my knowledge. Myrcella is cast and will be in this season. > [@Sampiro](#): > > Question about the leaked episodes (which I don’t plan to watch except as they air but would like to know this about): > > Does Lady Stoneheart appear? No. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2015, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-5-book-spoilers-tv-spoilers/717539/38 "2015-04-14T17:42:15Z")
I loved the Poole subplot. I loved every part of the Cersei storyline. ---
**Author:** ![Biggirl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biggirl/32/3294_2.png) [@Biggirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biggirl)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2015, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-5-book-spoilers-tv-spoilers/717539/39 "2015-04-14T17:54:05Z")
They are all good stories but, as of yet, have very little to do with the plot. If GRRM had kept the side-stories to a minimum, the book series would be finished by now. ---
**Author:** ![ISiddiqui](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/97f17d/32.png) [@ISiddiqui](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ISiddiqui)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2015, 6:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-5-book-spoilers-tv-spoilers/717539/40 "2015-04-14T18:08:04Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > I’m at least waiting to see it. Maybe it will work. I think of the books and TV show as two separate, but related, universes. Like two versions of a Batman story, or two King Arthur stories. I am fine with the book and show diverging, but this show storyline makes no sense. I mean I can see Littlefinger doing something like that, but he’s a super cold-hearted bastard of which I don’t see Sansa being, regardless of how much she learns to play the game. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-5-book-spoilers-tv-spoilers/717539.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-5-book-spoilers-tv-spoilers/717539.md?page=3)