# Game of Thrones (season 5) BOOK SPOILERS!! TV SPOILERS! **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [April 13, 2015, 2:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-5-book-spoilers-tv-spoilers/717539 "2015-04-13T02:13:53Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 25
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2015, 3:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-5-book-spoilers-tv-spoilers/717539/481 "2015-05-25T03:56:29Z")
When Tommen suggested that Cersei said the Faith would kill Margaery. Think Tommen is cold enough to risk his wife and mother? ---
**Author:** ![ISiddiqui](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/97f17d/32.png) [@ISiddiqui](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ISiddiqui)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2015, 4:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-5-book-spoilers-tv-spoilers/717539/482 "2015-05-25T04:00:36Z")
> [@Dale\_Sams](#): > > I think…we need to see the Mountain side at least or the audience is just going to forget about the guy. > > Maybe that will be Ceresi’s last line for the season, “I choose as _my_ champion…” (reveal Frankenmountain) What, you don’t think they’re going to do the epic walk of shame? ---
**Author:** ![thelurkinghorror](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7c8e57/32.png) [@thelurkinghorror](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thelurkinghorror)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2015, 4:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-5-book-spoilers-tv-spoilers/717539/483 "2015-05-25T04:06:28Z")
The walk is filmed already so we know it’s happening. ---
**Author:** ![Dale\_Sams](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/779978/32.png) [@Dale\_Sams](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dale_Sams)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2015, 4:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-5-book-spoilers-tv-spoilers/717539/484 "2015-05-25T04:15:16Z")
> [@ISiddiqui](#): > > What, you don’t think they’re going to do the epic walk of shame? No, they will. That’s just that much more time carved out of three hours though. ---
**Author:** ![Dale\_Sams](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/779978/32.png) [@Dale\_Sams](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dale_Sams)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2015, 4:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-5-book-spoilers-tv-spoilers/717539/485 "2015-05-25T04:18:52Z")
> [@Enderw24](#): > > I feel they’ve not done enough to really show who the Sparrows are within the context of this world and this Kingdom. The difference between the show and the book is massive here and the changes leave me quite confused. > > In the show they allude to the discontentment of the poor and the money problems of the kingdom, mainly in the context of the Tyrells holding the purse strings. But in the books, the kingdom is flat broke, people are starving in the streets, and soldiers can’t be paid. > > In the books, The Sparrows hold 1 million gold against the Kingdom and leverage that to create the Faith Militant. In the show, it’s basically on the whim of Cersei. > > And were I solely a tv watcher, I’d be scratching my head right now. Hell, I still am. Tommen’s a pussy. We get it. He won’t act when his BIL is imprissoned. Or his wife. But seriously, now his mom? You don’t need an army, like Cersei was saying. Take 5 Kingsguards, go to the Sept, and kill every fucking person that stands in your way. It’s really not that hard. And I’ll say it again, I haven’t read that far yet, but I know the general details…I pictured the Faith Militant as those elite troops you hire in Crusader Kings II to fight heretics. Not former peasants with shovels. ---
**Author:** ![Enderw24](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ba9def/32.png) [@Enderw24](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enderw24)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2015, 4:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-5-book-spoilers-tv-spoilers/717539/486 "2015-05-25T04:41:36Z")
> [@Snarky\_Kong](#): > > When Tommen suggested that Cersei said the Faith would kill Margaery. Think Tommen is cold enough to risk his wife and mother? Of course Cersei would say that. But the reality is that even if they went in guns ablazing, I don’t think the Sparrows would kill Margery. She’s a prisoner, not a hostage. Besides, Tommen surely has soldiers that could sneak in and get the job done. You know, like his uncle father Jaime. Except, maybe, they’d find a time and place to sneak in other than high noon in a wide open area. ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2015, 4:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-5-book-spoilers-tv-spoilers/717539/487 "2015-05-25T04:47:53Z")
> [@Enderw24](#): > > Of course Cersei would say that. But the reality is that even if they went in guns ablazing, I don’t think the Sparrows would kill Margery. She’s a prisoner, not a hostage. Yeah, but Tommen doesn’t know that, he knows what his mother told him. Having Tywin in the room during the trial would have been fun. High Sparrow: Seize the queen! Tywin: Kill them all! Ok, lunch? ---
**Author:** ![AK84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85e7bf/32.png) [@AK84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AK84)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2015, 5:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-5-book-spoilers-tv-spoilers/717539/488 "2015-05-25T05:14:06Z")
Will Jon “die” this Season? They are further than the books now, Jorah and Tyrion have met Dany and she is not yet… Ah fuck it. ---
**Author:** ![Dale\_Sams](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/779978/32.png) [@Dale\_Sams](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dale_Sams)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2015, 6:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-5-book-spoilers-tv-spoilers/717539/489 "2015-05-25T06:37:04Z")
> [@AK84](#): > > Will Jon “die” this Season? They are further than the books now, Jorah and Tyrion have met Dany and she is not yet… > > Ah fuck it. I’d prefer they move things along like they did the very scene you mentioned. Maybe have Jon about to be stabbed just to troll book readers and then the Others warning horns sound…then a louder horn is sounded and the Wall comes crumbling down. End scene. ---
**Author:** ![Enderw24](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ba9def/32.png) [@Enderw24](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enderw24)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2015, 12:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-5-book-spoilers-tv-spoilers/717539/490 "2015-05-25T12:30:22Z")
> [@Dale\_Sams](#): > > I’d prefer they move things along like they did the very scene you mentioned. Maybe have Jon about to be stabbed just to troll book readers and then the Others warning horns sound…then a louder horn is sounded and the Wall comes crumbling down. > > End scene. Have John mellencamp play us out for the season? ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2015, 2:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-5-book-spoilers-tv-spoilers/717539/491 "2015-05-25T14:34:35Z")
Well, here we go again. Gilly has sex with Sam after he takes a beating to save her from rape. Sex is the woman’s gift to reward a man’s behavior. The usual trope. In the book it was different. Gilly had sex with Sam because she wanted it and needed intimacy to help comfort the loss of her son. The books are quite a bit more sophisticated in their depiction of women’s sexuality than the TV show. Yes, women are subservient in the society and their sexuality is in the control of the powerful men around them. But the books understand female sexuality much more than the show does. ---
**Author:** ![unwashed\_brain](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/a9adbd/32.png) [@unwashed\_brain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/unwashed_brain)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2015, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-5-book-spoilers-tv-spoilers/717539/492 "2015-05-25T18:50:21Z")
> [@Enderw24](#): > > I feel they’ve not done enough to really show who the Sparrows are within the context of this world and this Kingdom. The difference between the show and the book is massive here and the changes leave me quite confused. > > In the show they allude to the discontentment of the poor and the money problems of the kingdom, mainly in the context of the Tyrells holding the purse strings. But in the books, the kingdom is flat broke, people are starving in the streets, and soldiers can’t be paid. Agreed. In the books, the poverty of the common folk, and the general war-torn state of Westeros is on frequent display during the travels of Brienne & Pod and Arya & The Hound. Every now and again they run into groups of Sparrows. ---
**Author:** ![AK84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85e7bf/32.png) [@AK84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AK84)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2015, 7:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-5-book-spoilers-tv-spoilers/717539/493 "2015-05-25T19:26:01Z")
> [@Acsenray](#): > > Well, here we go again. Gilly has sex with Sam after he takes a beating to save her from rape. Sex is the woman’s gift to reward a man’s behavior. The usual trope. > > In the book it was different. Gilly had sex with Sam because she wanted it and needed intimacy to help comfort the loss of her son. > > The books are quite a bit more sophisticated in their depiction of women’s sexuality than the TV show. Yes, women are subservient in the society and their sexuality is in the control of the powerful men around them. But the books understand female sexuality much more than the show does. In the show Gilly’s been wanting to pork Samwell for two seasons, this time it happened he did not / was not that inclinded to resist, unlike the other times. So I can’t agree with your assessment. Who are they gonna roast, if Mance Ryder does not have a wife in show? Shireen? ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2015, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-5-book-spoilers-tv-spoilers/717539/494 "2015-05-25T19:52:54Z")
They damn well better not roast shireen. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2015, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-5-book-spoilers-tv-spoilers/717539/495 "2015-05-25T20:03:14Z")
> [@Acsenray](#): > > Well, here we go again. Gilly has sex with Sam after he takes a beating to save her from rape. Sex is the woman’s gift to reward a man’s behavior. The usual trope. … Yep. This episode (5.7) really hammered home the ‘women are helpless and must be rescued by men’ message, what with both the Gilly/Sam and Sansa-begging-Theon scenes. Along those lines: as a non-book reader (who doesn’t care diddlysquat about spoilers), I was wondering if book-Arya is EVER mentored by a competent female person at any point. In the show, I believe that all of Arya’s mentors (whether intentional or unintentional) have been male. (Unless I’m forgetting something.) Just curious. ---
**Author:** ![thelurkinghorror](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7c8e57/32.png) [@thelurkinghorror](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thelurkinghorror)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2015, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-5-book-spoilers-tv-spoilers/717539/496 "2015-05-25T20:18:31Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > They damn well better not roast shireen. Don’t worry, they wont’ She’d be exsanguinated, I’d think. > [@Sherrerd](#): > > Along those lines: as a non-book reader (who doesn’t care diddlysquat about spoilers), I was wondering if book-Arya is EVER mentored by a competent female person at any point. In the show, I believe that all of Arya’s mentors (whether intentional or unintentional) have been male. (Unless I’m forgetting something.) “The waif” most recently, as reluctant as Arya is to listen initially. Being a Faceless Man, the person’s real sex is anyone’s guess. ---
**Author:** ![magnusblitz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b4bc9f/32.png) [@magnusblitz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magnusblitz)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2015, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-5-book-spoilers-tv-spoilers/717539/497 "2015-05-25T20:24:43Z")
> [@Dale\_Sams](#): > > Sure seems like we’re running out of time to see: > Dany and Drogon > The rescue of Sansa > The battle of White Harbour > Jon’s denouement > Jorah’s fate > Tyrion’s fate > Stannis’s daughters fate > Will we see a battle of Winterfell? > Ceresi’s walk > Whatever happens with LF and the Tyrells > Varys returning to Kings Landing and will anyone get crossbowed? (My money is still on Tommen) > Whatever the hell is going to happen in Dorne > Arya kills Trant and loses her sight this season? > Half or all of the participants of CLEGANEBOWL? I’m starting to wonder if Jon getting stabbed by the Night’s Watch isn’t going to happen at all. If it does, it certainly won’t be this season - I don’t think there’s time to fit it in if he’s going to spending all that time with the Wildlings again. I suppose he could return and get stabbed real quick, but it seems like a difficult thing to do as a season cliffhanger (does Jon die?) since whether or not his actor is on location for shooting next season is impossible to cover up. I think they can fit in Kevan no problem. Just have him show up again as Hand of the King next episode now that Cersei has been abducted. Get shot by Varys in the last episode. There won’t be time to show that he was making things better, but, that’s the show for you. This episode did seem kinda slow, though. Not sure what the point of the Sam/Gilly sex scene (because god knows everyone wants more of those) or the Sand Snakes/Bronn scene was. I suppose the latter was funny enough on its own, but why save Bronn (from the Sand Snakes’ perspective?) They left out Balon Greyjoy in the list of usurper kings they killed before with King’s Blood! Arrrrgh Also, as someone who is a pretty strong believer in High Sparrow = Howland Reed, I keep finding reasons to believe it could be the same in the show, but given how much the Reeds have been dropped/unmentioned I just can’t see it happening. ---
**Author:** ![Fair\_Rarity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fair_rarity/32/153_2.png) [@Fair\_Rarity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fair_Rarity)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2015, 12:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-5-book-spoilers-tv-spoilers/717539/498 "2015-05-26T00:59:05Z")
> [@AK84](#): > > Will Jon “die” this Season? They are further than the books now, Jorah and Tyrion have met Dany and she is not yet… > > Ah fuck it. Jon is totally going to bite it. That fucking Olly kid is going to do it. Watch how the camera lingers on him way too much for a show-only character who isn’t showing her tits. It’ll totally destroy the WHY of it happened, of course. It’ll be Olly mad at Jon for wildling stuff instead of crying crows trying to save the watch in a fucked up way. But the thing that bugs me about him getting offed is by all our theories both Ghost and Mel need to be around, and he has neither and Mel’s not even at Castle Black. And chiming in with a big fat no to the Gilly attack stuff. Can these allegedly professional writers not think of anything else to empower the women and show the men as evil or saviors? ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2015, 1:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-5-book-spoilers-tv-spoilers/717539/499 "2015-05-26T01:21:50Z")
> [@Fair\_Rarity](#): > > Jon is totally going to bite it. That fucking Olly kid is going to do it. Watch how the camera lingers on him way too much for a show-only character who isn’t showing her tits. > > It’ll totally destroy the WHY of it happened, of course. It’ll be Olly mad at Jon for wildling stuff instead of crying crows trying to save the watch in a fucked up way. > > But the thing that bugs me about him getting offed is by all our theories both Ghost and Mel need to be around, and he has neither and Mel’s not even at Castle Black. Ghost will be there. “Wildlling stuff” is the same as saving the watch. That’s what they were saving the watch from. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2015, 1:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-5-book-spoilers-tv-spoilers/717539/500 "2015-05-26T01:44:31Z")
> [@Snarky\_Kong](#): > > Ghost will be there. > > “Wildlling stuff” is the same as saving the watch. That’s what they were saving the watch from. Except that we know Jon was absolutely right, while in the book he was going to have the nightswatch march on winterfell. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-5-book-spoilers-tv-spoilers/717539.md?page=24) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-5-book-spoilers-tv-spoilers/717539.md?page=26)