# Game of Thrones (season 5) BOOK SPOILERS!! TV SPOILERS! **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [April 13, 2015, 2:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-5-book-spoilers-tv-spoilers/717539 "2015-04-13T02:13:53Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 27
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2015, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-5-book-spoilers-tv-spoilers/717539/521 "2015-05-27T16:48:11Z")
> [@Fair\_Rarity](#): > > …Casting info is starting to come out for next season. I won’t post it here in case anyone is avoiding spoilers, but it’s out there everywhere. The thread title permits spoilers. Post here, or give us a link, please. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2015, 4:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-5-book-spoilers-tv-spoilers/717539/522 "2015-05-27T16:53:01Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > The thread title permits spoilers. Post here, or give us a link, please. [Here](http://winteriscoming.net/2015/05/27/game-of-thrones-season-6-casting-rumors-and-speculation/). If true, it sounds like Euron Greyjoy and Randyll Tarly (Sam’s asshole dad) and family as the most significant additions. ---
**Author:** ![Dale\_Sams](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/779978/32.png) [@Dale\_Sams](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dale_Sams)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2015, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-5-book-spoilers-tv-spoilers/717539/523 "2015-05-27T17:17:35Z")
As speculated before, if the spark for Jon’s denouement is ‘wildling stuff’ and not ‘the letter’…I’m wondering if we’ll see the conclusion of the Bolton storyline this season. Why drag it on further? Give the viewers a victory. There’s no Mance and the Spearwives. There will be enough cliffhanger action with Jon, there’s no reason to leave Stannis in a blizzard. The two women fundies sacrifice Shireen, Stannis wins, discovers his daughter dead. Kills Selyse and Melisandre… and Davos and Stannis get more Bro Time and are free from the shackles of magic and prophecies. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2015, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-5-book-spoilers-tv-spoilers/717539/524 "2015-05-27T17:24:50Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > [Here](http://winteriscoming.net/2015/05/27/game-of-thrones-season-6-casting-rumors-and-speculation/). If true, it sounds like Euron Greyjoy and Randyll Tarly (Sam’s asshole dad) and family as the most significant additions. Thanks - very interesting! ---
**Author:** ![JSexton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/96bed5/32.png) [@JSexton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JSexton)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2015, 6:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-5-book-spoilers-tv-spoilers/717539/525 "2015-05-27T18:55:48Z")
> [@Dale\_Sams](#): > > As speculated before, if the spark for Jon’s denouement is ‘wildling stuff’ and not ‘the letter’…I’m wondering if we’ll see the conclusion of the Bolton storyline this season. Why drag it on further? Give the viewers a victory. There’s no Mance and the Spearwives. There will be enough cliffhanger action with Jon, there’s no reason to leave Stannis in a blizzard. > > The two women fundies sacrifice Shireen, Stannis wins, discovers his daughter dead. Kills Selyse and Melisandre… and Davos and Stannis get more Bro Time and are free from the shackles of magic and prophecies. I don’t think that Melisandre dead and Stannis alive are where the show is going. I’m fairly certain that Melisandre will be aligning with Jon soon. ---
**Author:** ![Dale\_Sams](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/779978/32.png) [@Dale\_Sams](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dale_Sams)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2015, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-5-book-spoilers-tv-spoilers/717539/526 "2015-05-28T16:56:56Z")
Also, it seems to me that Littlefinger has to know he can’t possibly take the Iron Throne AND control the Seven Kingdom’s doing so. People with infinitely better claims, and much more loved have tried and failed. Taking the Throne is one thing…keeping the seven kingdoms under control and from tearing each other’s hearts out is another. If he really is trying to take the whole enchilada, I’d say his true plan is “Take the Iron Throne and get my kicks watching the world burn down to the ground while I do so.” ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2015, 8:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-5-book-spoilers-tv-spoilers/717539/527 "2015-05-30T20:41:10Z")
> [@JSexton](#): > > I don’t think that Melisandre dead and Stannis alive are where the show is going. Yeah, HBO isn’t going to get rid of any lead actress who’s still willing to get naked. ---
**Author:** ![ISiddiqui](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/97f17d/32.png) [@ISiddiqui](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ISiddiqui)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2015, 2:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-5-book-spoilers-tv-spoilers/717539/528 "2015-06-01T02:00:54Z")
So Valyrian Steel can kill an Other… that’s new. ---
**Author:** ![Dale\_Sams](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/779978/32.png) [@Dale\_Sams](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dale_Sams)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2015, 2:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-5-book-spoilers-tv-spoilers/717539/529 "2015-06-01T02:14:47Z")
> [@ISiddiqui](#): > > So Valyrian Steel can kill an Other… that’s new. Makes them a hell of a lot more valuable…though dragonglass should be plentiful still. Is “Lightbringer” Valyrian? That Jon/Other fight reminded me of the Predator/Arnie fight. ---
**Author:** ![Bruce\_Wayne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bruce\_Wayne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bruce_Wayne)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2015, 2:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-5-book-spoilers-tv-spoilers/717539/530 "2015-06-01T02:19:45Z")
If the 8th episode was that awesome I can only imagine how the next two are gonna be. I thought I read before that Valyrian steel would kill white walkers like obsidian could, I expected that they were setting that up. John’s street cred went through the roof this episode. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2015, 2:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-5-book-spoilers-tv-spoilers/717539/531 "2015-06-01T02:47:47Z")
Yeah, i could’ve sworn we knew that from the books already. ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2015, 3:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-5-book-spoilers-tv-spoilers/717539/532 "2015-06-01T03:13:28Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > Yeah, i could’ve sworn we knew that from the books already. Definitely not for sure, but it was speculated. ---
**Author:** ![Dale\_Sams](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/779978/32.png) [@Dale\_Sams](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dale_Sams)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2015, 3:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-5-book-spoilers-tv-spoilers/717539/533 "2015-06-01T03:27:40Z")
No \*\*\*\*ing wonder the Battle at the Fist went so badly. ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2015, 3:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-5-book-spoilers-tv-spoilers/717539/534 "2015-06-01T03:34:57Z")
Wun Weg Wun Dar Wun shout out! ---
**Author:** ![Enderw24](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ba9def/32.png) [@Enderw24](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enderw24)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2015, 3:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-5-book-spoilers-tv-spoilers/717539/535 "2015-06-01T03:40:29Z")
So two seasons ago we saw Craster giving up his male babies to a walker who took them back to his home and turned the kids eyes blue. We assumed this to be how you convert them to White Walkers but tonight all the free folk had their eyes turn blue too. So what was going on with Craster’s kids and why did they even need the boys anyway? ---
**Author:** ![Dale\_Sams](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/779978/32.png) [@Dale\_Sams](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dale_Sams)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2015, 3:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-5-book-spoilers-tv-spoilers/717539/536 "2015-06-01T03:44:30Z")
> [@Enderw24](#): > > So two seasons ago we saw Craster giving up his male babies to a walker who took them back to his home and turned the kids eyes blue. We assumed this to be how you convert them to White Walkers but tonight all the free folk had their eyes turn blue too. > > So what was going on with Craster’s kids and why did they even need the boys anyway? Wights eyes are blue also. ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2015, 3:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-5-book-spoilers-tv-spoilers/717539/537 "2015-06-01T03:45:36Z")
> [@Enderw24](#): > > So two seasons ago we saw Craster giving up his male babies to a walker who took them back to his home and turned the kids eyes blue. We assumed this to be how you convert them to White Walkers but tonight all the free folk had their eyes turn blue too. > > So what was going on with Craster’s kids and why did they even need the boys anyway? White Walkers are not zombies. In the books it was the Others (supernatural beings that control the zombies) and the wights (zombies). For the show the Other are called the White Walkers. ---
**Author:** ![Enderw24](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ba9def/32.png) [@Enderw24](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enderw24)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2015, 3:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-5-book-spoilers-tv-spoilers/717539/538 "2015-06-01T03:48:29Z")
Also, if you watched the Behind the Episode bit, they talk about how Sansa is now discovering that her two brothers are alive. “Her father is dead, her mother is dead, her sister is dead, both her brothers are dead.” He says. Which is funny for two reasons. A) Sansa has three brothers\* and B) Brienne informed her that Arya was still alive. - with a .5 margin of error ---
**Author:** ![Enderw24](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ba9def/32.png) [@Enderw24](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enderw24)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2015, 3:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-5-book-spoilers-tv-spoilers/717539/539 "2015-06-01T03:52:13Z")
> [@Snarky\_Kong](#): > > White Walkers are not zombies. > > In the books it was the Others (supernatural beings that control the zombies) and the wights (zombies). For the show the Other are called the White Walkers. I’m not sure I understand. Whether you call them Others or White Walkers, the question remains: what did they need Craster’s male babies for? Eta: the source of my confusion is in the blue eyes, which mos of the zombies did not have, save for the recently resurrected Free Folk at the end. So if Zombies do not have blue eyes and the Others do, what are we to assume happened with the resurrected? ---
**Author:** ![Dale\_Sams](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/779978/32.png) [@Dale\_Sams](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dale_Sams)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2015, 4:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-5-book-spoilers-tv-spoilers/717539/540 "2015-06-01T04:09:02Z")
> [@Enderw24](#): > > I’m not sure I understand. Whether you call them Others or White Walkers, the question remains: what did they need Craster’s male babies for? > > Eta: the source of my confusion is in the blue eyes, which mos of the zombies did not have, save for the recently resurrected Free Folk at the end. So if Zombies do not have blue eyes and the Others do, what are we to assume happened with the resurrected? I guess the Sons of Craster become ‘Others’. The more the merrier right? The wights _should_ have blue eyes. Ones that are too dessicated to have eyes wouldn’t [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-5-book-spoilers-tv-spoilers/717539.md?page=26) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-5-book-spoilers-tv-spoilers/717539.md?page=28)