# Game of Thrones (season 5) BOOK SPOILERS!! TV SPOILERS! **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [April 13, 2015, 2:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-5-book-spoilers-tv-spoilers/717539 "2015-04-13T02:13:53Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 31
**Author:** ![Dale\_Sams](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/779978/32.png) [@Dale\_Sams](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dale_Sams)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2015, 2:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-5-book-spoilers-tv-spoilers/717539/601 "2015-06-08T02:46:22Z")
> [@Snarky\_Kong](#): > > Well, in the book all the original soldiers that are with him are zealots. The rest defected. Most of the rest are mercenaries, I’m not sure they would care. > > That’s his only child too. No heir. If Stannis dies who would it go to? Book? The guy they were going to burn or Tommen. Show? Gendry or Tommen. ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2015, 2:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-5-book-spoilers-tv-spoilers/717539/602 "2015-06-08T02:50:24Z")
> [@Dale\_Sams](#): > > Book? The guy they were going to burn or Tommen. > > Show? Gendry or Tommen. Tommen? Tommen isn’t in the line at all, neither is Gendry neither is Edric Storm. ---
**Author:** ![Dale\_Sams](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/779978/32.png) [@Dale\_Sams](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dale_Sams)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2015, 2:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-5-book-spoilers-tv-spoilers/717539/603 "2015-06-08T02:53:11Z")
> [@Snarky\_Kong](#): > > Tommen? Tommen isn’t in the line at all, neither is Gendry neither is Edric Storm. Tommen Baratheon? By ‘it’ I thought you meant Dragonstone. ---
**Author:** ![Mighty\_Girl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7bcc69/32.png) [@Mighty\_Girl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mighty_Girl)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2015, 2:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-5-book-spoilers-tv-spoilers/717539/604 "2015-06-08T02:54:45Z")
> [@Dale\_Sams](#): > > Tommen Baratheon? Is this your first time watching GOT? ---
**Author:** ![ISiddiqui](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/97f17d/32.png) [@ISiddiqui](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ISiddiqui)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2015, 2:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-5-book-spoilers-tv-spoilers/717539/605 "2015-06-08T02:55:03Z")
Yeah, the line basically dies out with Shireen. I’m really disappointed at what the show did with Stannis. Why tease us with rehabilitating his image, so it’s more book like, only to make him a villain again? ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2015, 2:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-5-book-spoilers-tv-spoilers/717539/606 "2015-06-08T02:57:01Z")
> [@Dale\_Sams](#): > > Tommen Baratheon? By ‘it’ I thought you meant Dragonstone. The throne. Tommen is illegitimate. If you want to call him Tommen Baratheon, go ahead, but if he is then Stannis doesn’t control Dragonstone as is since he’s a traitor. He’s just occupying it until he’s killed. ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2015, 3:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-5-book-spoilers-tv-spoilers/717539/607 "2015-06-08T03:00:48Z")
> [@ISiddiqui](#): > > Yeah, the line basically dies out with Shireen. > > I’m really disappointed at what the show did with Stannis. Why tease us with rehabilitating his image, so it’s more book like, only to make him a villain again? When was he a villian? I’m not sure if this makes him a villian either. If Melisandre is an agent of the R’hllor, Stannis is Azor Ahai reborn, and sacrifice is necessary to prevent the another Long Night, then this is a good thing. The book definitely points to him being a false savior though. ---
**Author:** ![Dale\_Sams](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/779978/32.png) [@Dale\_Sams](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dale_Sams)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2015, 3:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-5-book-spoilers-tv-spoilers/717539/608 "2015-06-08T03:04:13Z")
> [@Snarky\_Kong](#): > > The throne. Tommen is illegitimate. If you want to call him Tommen Baratheon, go ahead, but if he is then Stannis doesn’t control Dragonstone as is since he’s a traitor. He’s just occupying it until he’s killed. Ahh. By ‘it’ you mean Stannis’s claim. Yeah, Stannis had best either knock up someone tout suite or legitimize Gendry. Of course if he legitimized Gendry, then he would have some problems with his own claim. ---
**Author:** ![Enderw24](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ba9def/32.png) [@Enderw24](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enderw24)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2015, 3:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-5-book-spoilers-tv-spoilers/717539/609 "2015-06-08T03:27:53Z")
It’s an interesting show when there’s a child being forced into prostitution by a pedophile and that’s the second most fucked up thing about the episode. So anyway, I know that the unsullied are different in the show, but seriously. They’re a group of elite soldiers who would cut off their dicks and feed it to their puppies while learning six different weapons simultaneously. They can’t handle a few rich kids playing dress up? Wtf? ---
**Author:** ![magnusblitz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b4bc9f/32.png) [@magnusblitz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magnusblitz)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2015, 5:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-5-book-spoilers-tv-spoilers/717539/610 "2015-06-08T05:09:30Z")
> [@ISiddiqui](#): > > Yeah, the line basically dies out with Shireen. > > I’m really disappointed at what the show did with Stannis. Why tease us with rehabilitating his image, so it’s more book like, only to make him a villain again? Yup, they’ve completely ruined Show Stannis for me. Didn’t like how they originally portrayed him, they made him a bit better this season, then went 180 and ruined him. According to the show runners in [this video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NfLScJVXBHQ), it was actually Martin’s idea. Which I’m not sure that I completely buy… it just doesn’t fit with what we know of Book Stannis, who is much more agnostic about R’hlorr and also much more insistent that Shireen be his heir. Heck, he even leaves Melisandre behind at Castle Black instead of taking her with him! I can definitely see Martin coming up with the idea that Mel would want to burn Shireen, but I just can’t see Book Stannis ever agreeing to it. ---
**Author:** ![thelurkinghorror](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7c8e57/32.png) [@thelurkinghorror](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thelurkinghorror)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2015, 6:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-5-book-spoilers-tv-spoilers/717539/611 "2015-06-08T06:15:27Z")
Brutal. I guess Hidazhr was actually honest then? I take it the guy who almost killed Jorah was Braavosi… or like Roman gladiators, someone who adopted the fighting style of enemy warriors. Speaking of which: I see the Unsullied as like hoplites: meant for group phalanx battle, but weak when alone. That doesn’t mean that I don’t :dubious: over random masked nobles kicking ass. ---
**Author:** ![AK84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85e7bf/32.png) [@AK84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AK84)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2015, 12:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-5-book-spoilers-tv-spoilers/717539/612 "2015-06-08T12:49:49Z")
> [@Enderw24](#): > > It’s an interesting show when there’s a child being forced into prostitution by a pedophile and that’s the second most fucked up thing about the episode. Hebephile. Hebephile is what Ser Meryn is. Not Peadophile. ---
**Author:** ![Enderw24](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ba9def/32.png) [@Enderw24](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enderw24)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2015, 1:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-5-book-spoilers-tv-spoilers/717539/613 "2015-06-08T13:40:51Z")
> [@AK84](#): > > Hebephile. Hebephile is what Ser Meryn is. Not Peadophile. Well, we never got a close look at her ID. So I’d guess it’s up for debate. Bonus question: What would Margaery Tyrell be? ---
**Author:** ![troub](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/troub/32/14802_2.png) [@troub](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/troub)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2015, 1:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-5-book-spoilers-tv-spoilers/717539/614 "2015-06-08T13:57:11Z")
The difference is that the girl that Trant settled on was probably something like 14, not 4. Same for Margaery, technically, I suppose, though the predatory aspect as well as the age differential is a little bit different. ---
**Author:** ![ISiddiqui](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/97f17d/32.png) [@ISiddiqui](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ISiddiqui)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2015, 1:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-5-book-spoilers-tv-spoilers/717539/615 "2015-06-08T13:57:14Z")
> [@magnusblitz](#): > > According to the show runners in [this video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NfLScJVXBHQ), it was actually Martin’s idea. Which I’m not sure that I completely buy… it just doesn’t fit with what we know of Book Stannis, who is much more agnostic about R’hlorr and also much more insistent that Shireen be his heir. Heck, he even leaves Melisandre behind at Castle Black instead of taking her with him! > > I can definitely see Martin coming up with the idea that Mel would want to burn Shireen, but I just can’t see Book Stannis ever agreeing to it. Yep, agreed. I can see Mel and Selyse, seeing how ridiculous the snow storm is, and deciding to burn Shireen to help Stannis take Winterfell without telling him. ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2015, 2:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-5-book-spoilers-tv-spoilers/717539/616 "2015-06-08T14:28:41Z")
Tonight’s episode: IPHIGENIA AT ASPEN ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2015, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-5-book-spoilers-tv-spoilers/717539/617 "2015-06-08T17:04:43Z")
> [@Emiliana](#): > > That’s it, Stannis lost _my_ vote. > > Apart from those enthralled by the Lord of Light, who’s going to support a king who burns alive his own daughter? What’s his choice? Let 20000 men- _and_ his daughter die in the snow? It’s a horrible horrible choice, but I cant see any other thing to do. ---
**Author:** ![MaxTheVool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@MaxTheVool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MaxTheVool)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2015, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-5-book-spoilers-tv-spoilers/717539/618 "2015-06-08T17:20:18Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > What’s his choice? Let 20000 men- _and_ his daughter die in the snow? It’s a horrible horrible choice, but I cant see any other thing to do. Agreed. I think given the reactions in the no-spoilers thread that the show probably would have benefited by making it a bit more clear how totally dire the situation was wrt starvation and cold. I think people just assumed that there was some other way out, just because they’re used to there always being another way out if the protagonists are sufficiently virtuous/hardworking. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2015, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-5-book-spoilers-tv-spoilers/717539/619 "2015-06-08T17:42:15Z")
> [@MaxTheVool](#): > > Agreed. I think given the reactions in the no-spoilers thread that the show probably would have benefited by making it a bit more clear how totally dire the situation was wrt starvation and cold. I think people just assumed that there was some other way out, just because they’re used to there always being another way out if the protagonists are sufficiently virtuous/hardworking. I think Stannis was thinking that just _maybe_ there was - until Boltons raid made it impossible. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2015, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-5-book-spoilers-tv-spoilers/717539/620 "2015-06-08T17:57:03Z")
> [@Snarky\_Kong](#): > > When was [Stannis] a villian?.. Uh… burning the people in his household who wouldn’t adopt his faith? Arranging to kill his brother via smoke baby? Cutting off some of the fingers of the guy who saved his besieged garrison? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-5-book-spoilers-tv-spoilers/717539.md?page=30) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-5-book-spoilers-tv-spoilers/717539.md?page=32)