# Game of Thrones (season 5) BOOK SPOILERS!! TV SPOILERS! **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [April 13, 2015, 2:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-5-book-spoilers-tv-spoilers/717539 "2015-04-13T02:13:53Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2015, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-5-book-spoilers-tv-spoilers/717539/161 "2015-04-27T20:20:20Z")
> [@Sampiro](#): > > Since I can’t imagine they’re going to let Ramsey physically and sexually torture Sansa like he did Jeyne Poole- it would make fans furious- I’m guessing Real Sansa is going to leave and they’re going to substitute a Fake Sansa. I think fans would care about that significantly less than Ned, the Red Wedding, or Oberyn; Sansa isn’t popular. 100% does Sansa get tortured. They’re not going to sub her into that storyline and then sub her out because it would be too uncomfortable. Might not be on screen, but Sophie Turner is 18 this season. I wouldn’t be shocked if we see some seriously disturbing shit this year. ---
**Author:** ![Sterling\_Archer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f1d935/32.png) [@Sterling\_Archer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sterling_Archer)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2015, 8:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-5-book-spoilers-tv-spoilers/717539/162 "2015-04-27T20:54:57Z")
Agreed, and Theon risking everything to save Sansa will have much more powerful emotional appeal than it did in the book with Jeyne. ---
**Author:** ![ISiddiqui](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/97f17d/32.png) [@ISiddiqui](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ISiddiqui)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2015, 9:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-5-book-spoilers-tv-spoilers/717539/163 "2015-04-27T21:06:02Z")
Well I guess that’d be one reason to try to accelerate Stannis’s march on Winterfell. Though that would also make Stannis the Savior of the Starks, esp to the North. They may just end up calling him the new King in the North ;). Though you wonder what Littlefinger does when hearing that Sansa is getting tortured. Though they may not necessarily go down the road of making it as bad as Ramsey did to Jeyne. Though losing your maidenhead to Ramsey… ugh. ---
**Author:** ![thelurkinghorror](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7c8e57/32.png) [@thelurkinghorror](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thelurkinghorror)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2015, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-5-book-spoilers-tv-spoilers/717539/164 "2015-04-27T21:52:36Z")
> [@magnusblitz](#): > > Missed edit window: Might also be Lord Cerwyn. Listened again. Still hard to tell, but maybe you’re on to something. He does use a hard “k,” as in Kerwyn not Sirwin, which is not my first assumption but eh, it’s Westeros. I initially discounted that family as I assumed they were Southern and served Stannis (I think I was thinking of Celtigar). But they’re Northern, and later joined Stannis in the books. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2015, 11:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-5-book-spoilers-tv-spoilers/717539/165 "2015-04-27T23:17:26Z")
> [@thelurkinghorror](#): > > Listened again. Still hard to tell, but maybe you’re on to something. He does use a hard “k,” as in Kerwyn not Sirwin, which is not my first assumption but eh, it’s Westeros. I initially discounted that family as I assumed they were Southern and served Stannis (I think I was thinking of Celtigar). But they’re Northern, and later joined Stannis in the books. Having read a few Welsh-oriented stories, I would definitely pronounce “Cerwyn” the same as “Kerwyn.” ---
**Author:** ![Enderw24](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ba9def/32.png) [@Enderw24](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enderw24)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2015, 2:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-5-book-spoilers-tv-spoilers/717539/166 "2015-04-28T02:14:42Z")
In the books, when did King’s Landing know that LittleFinger was in the Vale? How many people knew of his ongoing relationship with Lyssa? Because I know in the books, Petyr did everything he could to hide Sansa from the world, whereas in the show it seems like even the serving girls at the tavern know it’s Sansa. And Cersei knew exactly where he was. So I just wonder how long it’ll take Cersei to say to herself “you know…it’s kinda strange I haven’t seen that schemer Littlefinger around since literally right after my son was murdered. And now he’s in the Vale, married to Cat’s sister, who also died, and travelling around with Sansa Stark.” I mean, sure, Cersei might not actually know all that information…but she knows some of it. So shouldn’t the idea of Littlefinger’s involvement at least have been thought of by someone? How can he possibly still have a home in King’s Landing? ---
**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2015, 2:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-5-book-spoilers-tv-spoilers/717539/167 "2015-04-28T02:21:31Z")
Maergery & Tommen actually consummating their marriage (4 times) sure is a big change; no committee of septas giving her a virginity inspection for her. ---
**Author:** ![magnusblitz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b4bc9f/32.png) [@magnusblitz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magnusblitz)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2015, 4:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-5-book-spoilers-tv-spoilers/717539/168 "2015-04-28T04:38:41Z")
> [@Enderw24](#): > > In the books, when did King’s Landing know that LittleFinger was in the Vale? How many people knew of his ongoing relationship with Lyssa? Because I know in the books, Petyr did everything he could to hide Sansa from the world, whereas in the show it seems like even the serving girls at the tavern know it’s Sansa. And Cersei knew exactly where he was. > > So I just wonder how long it’ll take Cersei to say to herself “you know…it’s kinda strange I haven’t seen that schemer Littlefinger around since literally right after my son was murdered. And now he’s in the Vale, married to Cat’s sister, who also died, and travelling around with Sansa Stark.” > > I mean, sure, Cersei might not actually know all that information…but she knows some of it. So shouldn’t the idea of Littlefinger’s involvement at least have been thought of by someone? How can he possibly still have a home in King’s Landing? The Lannisters knew of his relationship with Lyssa and purposely sent Littlefinger to the Vale to marry her and bring her into the fold. They don’t know that he secretly stuck around offshore so that he could steal Sansa away from the scene of Joffrey’s death (they thought he was long gone to the Vale). ---
**Author:** ![grude](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47774/32.png) [@grude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/grude)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2015, 5:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-5-book-spoilers-tv-spoilers/717539/169 "2015-04-28T05:43:27Z")
> [@alphaboi867](#): > > Maergery & Tommen actually consummating their marriage (4 times) sure is a big change; no committee of septas giving her a virginity inspection for her. Absolutely bizarre since the last actor to play Tommen in the 4th season looked like 10 at the most. ---
**Author:** ![Hoops](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hoops/32/6408_2.png) [@Hoops](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hoops)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2015, 6:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-5-book-spoilers-tv-spoilers/717539/170 "2015-04-28T06:15:12Z")
> [@Acsenray](#): > > Given that, I was quite pleased that I’m still getting brothel scenes. Love bush! King’s Landing strip! ---
**Author:** ![Smid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/838e76/32.png) [@Smid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smid)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2015, 8:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-5-book-spoilers-tv-spoilers/717539/171 "2015-04-28T08:54:48Z")
> [@alphaboi867](#): > > Maergery & Tommen actually consummating their marriage (4 times) sure is a big change; no committee of septas giving her a virginity inspection for her. Yes, Maergery’s honour is not the issue anymore with the sparrows. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2015, 3:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-5-book-spoilers-tv-spoilers/717539/172 "2015-04-28T15:14:19Z")
Way to throw a log in the “jaquen = syrio” fire show. ---
**Author:** ![Pazu](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pazu/32/15522_2.png) [@Pazu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pazu)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2015, 3:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-5-book-spoilers-tv-spoilers/717539/173 "2015-04-28T15:24:43Z")
> [@Enderw24](#): > > In the books, when did King’s Landing know that LittleFinger was in the Vale? How many people knew of his ongoing relationship with Lyssa? Because I know in the books, Petyr did everything he could to hide Sansa from the world, whereas in the show it seems like even the serving girls at the tavern know it’s Sansa. And Cersei knew exactly where he was. > > So I just wonder how long it’ll take Cersei to say to herself “you know…it’s kinda strange I haven’t seen that schemer Littlefinger around since literally right after my son was murdered. And now he’s in the Vale, married to Cat’s sister, who also died, and travelling around with Sansa Stark.” > > I mean, sure, Cersei might not actually know all that information…but she knows some of it. So shouldn’t the idea of Littlefinger’s involvement at least have been thought of by someone? How can he possibly still have a home in King’s Landing? Not to mention that once Sansa’s location is revealed (and it will hardly be a secret once she and Ramsey are wed), I would think Cersei would do whatever she could to drag her back to King’s Landing to answer for her role in Joffrey’s death, not to mention interrogating her on her (former) husband’s whereabouts. On the flip side, after the scene in which the elderly servant tells Sansa, “The North remembers”, I am now convinced that Sansa will be the one orchestrating the murders in Winterfell, assuming the show does the “ghost in Winterfell” plot line. ---
**Author:** ![ISiddiqui](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/97f17d/32.png) [@ISiddiqui](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ISiddiqui)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2015, 3:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-5-book-spoilers-tv-spoilers/717539/174 "2015-04-28T15:27:55Z")
> [@Smid](#): > > Yes, Maergery’s honour is not the issue anymore with the sparrows. Though they may do a “she was unfaithful before marrying Tommen” thing. ---
**Author:** ![JSexton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/96bed5/32.png) [@JSexton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JSexton)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2015, 3:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-5-book-spoilers-tv-spoilers/717539/175 "2015-04-28T15:47:40Z")
> [@Enderw24](#): > > In the books, when did King’s Landing know that LittleFinger was in the Vale? How many people knew of his ongoing relationship with Lyssa? Because I know in the books, Petyr did everything he could to hide Sansa from the world, whereas in the show it seems like even the serving girls at the tavern know it’s Sansa. And Cersei knew exactly where he was. No, she didn’t. Roose said “A rider brought this from the Vale.” Qyburn sent the raven to the Vale, and the Vale of course knew to relay the message to Winterfell. Cersei thinks Baelish is still at the Vale or thereabouts. ---
**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2015, 12:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-5-book-spoilers-tv-spoilers/717539/176 "2015-04-29T00:09:28Z")
> [@ISiddiqui](#): > > Though they may do a “she was unfaithful before marrying Tommen” thing. That’s possible, though given how much more into her TV-Tommen is I imagine we’ll see flashes of Joffrey in his reaction to her accusers. I’m surprised Maergery shove an animal bladder of blood up there just to be safe. ---
**Author:** ![robardin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/43a26b/32.png) [@robardin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/robardin)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2015, 12:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-5-book-spoilers-tv-spoilers/717539/177 "2015-04-29T00:16:27Z")
> [@Sterling\_Archer](#): > > Agreed, and Theon risking everything to save Sansa will have much more powerful emotional appeal than it did in the book with Jeyne. But will the Godswood heart tree whisper Theon’s name? And, it’s too bad Lord Too Fat To Sit A Horse In The Book won’t be pulling his subterfuge in avenging the Starks and bringing Bolton down from the inside at Winterfell during Ramsay’s wedding. ---
**Author:** ![Emiliana](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f0a364/32.png) [@Emiliana](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Emiliana)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2015, 12:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-5-book-spoilers-tv-spoilers/717539/178 "2015-04-29T00:16:42Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > Way to throw a log in the “jaquen = syrio” fire show. I missed that. Explain? ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2015, 12:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-5-book-spoilers-tv-spoilers/717539/179 "2015-04-29T00:37:33Z")
> [@Emiliana](#): > > I missed that. Explain? Jaqen says something like “there is only one god, and you know his name” which is very similar to how Syrio said “there is only one god, and his name is death.” I’m completely in the “Syrio is dead, get over it” camp. ---
**Author:** ![Teach-me-not](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a4c791/32.png) [@Teach-me-not](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Teach-me-not)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2015, 1:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-5-book-spoilers-tv-spoilers/717539/180 "2015-04-29T01:40:04Z")
> [@ISiddiqui](#): > > I shall miss Aegon and Jon Connington (I’m currently re-reading Storm of Swords and they mention Connington a few times in it - subtle foreshadowing, George) :(. They are completely cutting that out - I wonder if they are cutting out the shocking end of Dance with Dragons - though if anyone can get back to Westeros in a flash, it’s likely Varys. Article discussing this problem: [How Last Night’s Game of Thrones Blew a Hole in a Major Book Plot | Vanity Fair](http://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2015/04/game-of-thrones-no-aegon-young-griff) > [@](#): > > And the more the show progresses and trims some of the fat, the more it becomes obvious that in the end, those new book characters—all the extra Martells, Greyjoys, and Conningtons—don’t actually matter. It’s the children we started with—Arya, Bran, Dany, Sansa, and Jon—who will matter in the end; regardless if any of them ever get to sit on the Iron Throne. I don’t know how I feel about this. On the one hand, it’s reassuring to know what the original players in the story are the ones who matter. On the other hand, if this is the case, what’s the point of the ten thousand new characters? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-5-book-spoilers-tv-spoilers/717539.md?page=8) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-5-book-spoilers-tv-spoilers/717539.md?page=10)