# Game of Thrones Season 6 open show/book discussion thread \[spoilers\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [April 25, 2016, 2:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-6-open-show-book-discussion-thread-spoilers/753058 "2016-04-25T02:16:12Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 17
**Author:** ![ISiddiqui](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/97f17d/32.png) [@ISiddiqui](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ISiddiqui)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2016, 3:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-6-open-show-book-discussion-thread-spoilers/753058/321 "2016-05-23T03:30:06Z")
> [@Acsenray](#): > > I’m the books did Euron admit to killing Balon? No. He was always coy. ---
**Author:** ![Biggirl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biggirl/32/3294_2.png) [@Biggirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biggirl)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2016, 3:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-6-open-show-book-discussion-thread-spoilers/753058/322 "2016-05-23T03:32:22Z")
Here’s a thought-- checks to make sure in the right thread-- what if Brienne and Pod, on there way to The Riverlands run into those peaceniks in the Saltpans. Maybe we’ll see The Hound again. Of course it was never confirmed that The Hound became one of those monks but there were enough hints that it was. That would be cool. ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2016, 3:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-6-open-show-book-discussion-thread-spoilers/753058/323 "2016-05-23T03:33:05Z")
If the Other were created to fight the first men, perhaps some got loose up in the far north and it just took a very long time for them to build up their strength and attack during the Long Night? Maybe they needed an unusually long winter to attack? Others created -\> peace -\> Others building strength -\> Long Night/Azor Ahai/Last Hero/Wall is built -\> Andals. Plausible. We never see the murder in the books. It’s heavily implied that Euron paid a faceless man to do it, but there’s no proof or confession. ---
**Author:** ![ISiddiqui](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/97f17d/32.png) [@ISiddiqui](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ISiddiqui)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2016, 3:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-6-open-show-book-discussion-thread-spoilers/753058/324 "2016-05-23T03:34:20Z")
> [@clairobscur](#): > > Now, that’s an interesting hypothesis. I thought (or rather hoped) that the story wouldn’t end with Danaerys defeating the white walkers on dragonback with Jon by her side. But I wasn’t sure what Martin/the showrunner could do with her then. > > This would both make sense and make for a great twist. I hope, hope, hope he will turn to be right. And on top of it, I don’t like Danny much and find her morality dubious, so I would find very satisfying to see her becoming an official villain. 😃 > > That’s my favourite fanwank so far. And now we see another way the villainy may come - purification by Dragonfire. That was chilling. I can see Dany responding pretty positively towards an adviser like that red woman (and is that how Melissandre is fully redeemed, by ultimately fighting her?). ---
**Author:** ![ISiddiqui](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/97f17d/32.png) [@ISiddiqui](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ISiddiqui)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2016, 4:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-6-open-show-book-discussion-thread-spoilers/753058/325 "2016-05-23T04:10:30Z")
Though I guess that puts an end to any speculation that we’ll eventually find out the greenseerer was Lord Bloodraven. I do wonder why it was necessary to go back in time for Bran to use younger Hodor as a conduit to take over older Hodor. Was it because if he took over Hodor in the current era, he would have been too freaked out to do what he did - the conduit allowing for a barrier? Because he sacrifices Hodor’s life to save his own - maybe he didn’t fully realize that when using younger Hodor as a conduit, which is why the greenseer puts them in the past. ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2016, 4:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-6-open-show-book-discussion-thread-spoilers/753058/326 "2016-05-23T04:19:17Z")
> [@ISiddiqui](#): > > Though I guess that puts an end to any speculation that we’ll eventually find out the greenseerer was Lord Bloodraven. > > I do wonder why it was necessary to go back in time for Bran to use younger Hodor as a conduit to take over older Hodor. Was it because if he took over Hodor in the current era, he would have been too freaked out to do what he did - the conduit allowing for a barrier? Because he sacrifices Hodor’s life to save his own - maybe he didn’t fully realize that when using younger Hodor as a conduit, which is why the greenseer puts them in the past. I don’t think that was the plan. Bloodraven and Bran were doing some last second cramming because they don’t have much training time left. Bran was forced to control Hodor from the past because of circumstance, not because he planned it that way. ---
**Author:** ![ISiddiqui](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/97f17d/32.png) [@ISiddiqui](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ISiddiqui)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2016, 4:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-6-open-show-book-discussion-thread-spoilers/753058/327 "2016-05-23T04:30:17Z")
> [@Snarky\_Kong](#): > > I don’t think that was the plan. Bloodraven and Bran were doing some last second cramming because they don’t have much training time left. Bran was forced to control Hodor from the past because of circumstance, not because he planned it that way. It seemed to me that Three Eyed Raven (I don’t know if he’s Bloodraven in the show’s narrative) was waiting nervously, while Bran was just observing. I had the feeling that Three Eyed Raven took him there at this point in time on purpose (he probably already had some idea of what was going to happen). ---
**Author:** ![ISiddiqui](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/97f17d/32.png) [@ISiddiqui](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ISiddiqui)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2016, 4:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-6-open-show-book-discussion-thread-spoilers/753058/328 "2016-05-23T04:56:12Z")
Wow, so back in April 2014, this happened: > **[Game of Thrones](https://ventrellaquest.com/tag/game-of-thrones/)** > > Posts about Game of Thrones written by Michael A. Ventrella > [@](#): > > Martin: I always wanted to be an elevator operator. If the writing thing hadn’t worked out… > > We both laughed and went on to our rooms. > > The final time we ended up together, the conversation went like this: > > Me: I finally figured out why you have a character named “Hodor.” > > Martin: Oh? > > \*\*Me: I was thinking about your comment about wanting to be an elevator operator. It’s clear to me now that “Hodor” is short for “Hold the door.” > > Martin: (laughing) You don’t know how close to the truth you are!\*\* ---
**Author:** ![Sterling\_Archer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f1d935/32.png) [@Sterling\_Archer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sterling_Archer)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2016, 6:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-6-open-show-book-discussion-thread-spoilers/753058/329 "2016-05-23T06:06:14Z")
“A thousand eyes and one”. We know for sure that’s Bloodraven. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2016, 6:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-6-open-show-book-discussion-thread-spoilers/753058/330 "2016-05-23T06:06:50Z")
> [@Snarky\_Kong](#): > > I don’t think that was the plan. Bloodraven and Bran were doing some last second cramming because they don’t have much training time left. Bran was forced to control Hodor from the past because of circumstance, not because he planned it that way. Except it wasn’t really anything important. It wasn’t like “here, Bran, we’re rushed, but I’m revealing to your destiny because we don’t have time”, it was like “hey, let’s take a leisurely stroll through winterfell when your grandpa sent your father on a long camping trip” ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2016, 6:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-6-open-show-book-discussion-thread-spoilers/753058/331 "2016-05-23T06:20:14Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > Except it wasn’t really anything important. It wasn’t like “here, Bran, we’re rushed, but I’m revealing to your destiny because we don’t have time”, it was like “hey, let’s take a leisurely stroll through winterfell when your grandpa sent your father on a long camping trip” I took from it that the old dude had knowledge of past and present, and that he knew how and why (and when) Hodor came to be, so he brought Bran there for that express purpose. Bran wasn’t aware this was the end when that vision first started, was he? ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2016, 12:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-6-open-show-book-discussion-thread-spoilers/753058/332 "2016-05-23T12:51:22Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > Except it wasn’t really anything important. It wasn’t like “here, Bran, we’re rushed, but I’m revealing to your destiny because we don’t have time”, it was like “hey, let’s take a leisurely stroll through winterfell when your grandpa sent your father on a long camping trip” I don’t know that the scene Bran was practicing in is that important. Plus they already had the set and paid the actors. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2016, 1:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-6-open-show-book-discussion-thread-spoilers/753058/333 "2016-05-23T13:03:51Z")
They went into that scene in the past because it is what happened, if they didn’t the past would change. That’s about as good an explanation as we can expect. The three eyed raven knew it was something that had to happen so he made sure it did. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2016, 1:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-6-open-show-book-discussion-thread-spoilers/753058/334 "2016-05-23T13:18:41Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > They went into that scene in the past because it is what happened, if they didn’t the past would change. That’s about as good an explanation as we can expect. The three eyed raven knew it was something that had to happen so he made sure it did. That’s how I read it too – Bloodraven knew that he was going to be killed by White Walkers, and he knew that Bran had to escape (and would Hodorize Hodor in the process). He just didn’t know exactly when, at least not until Bran woke up before and told him the Night’s King touched him. ---
**Author:** ![ISiddiqui](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/97f17d/32.png) [@ISiddiqui](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ISiddiqui)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2016, 2:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-6-open-show-book-discussion-thread-spoilers/753058/335 "2016-05-23T14:26:39Z")
> [@Sterling\_Archer](#): > > “A thousand eyes and one”. We know for sure that’s Bloodraven. Yes, we who read the books realizes it’s likely based on Bloodraven, aside from the 1000 years I’ve been waiting and no birthmark, etc. But in the show, they haven’t given his name or his history. I would imagine that if you called him Bloodraven to a non-reader, that person would be confused. ---
**Author:** ![JSexton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/96bed5/32.png) [@JSexton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JSexton)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2016, 2:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-6-open-show-book-discussion-thread-spoilers/753058/336 "2016-05-23T14:45:49Z")
The name Bloodraven doesn’t mean anything in the show. Presumably, the next book will include its version of this sequence of events and can go into that kind of detail. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2016, 2:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-6-open-show-book-discussion-thread-spoilers/753058/337 "2016-05-23T14:52:52Z")
Hodor. And the actor who played him: [http://www.cnn.com/2016/05/23/entertainment/game-of-thrones-hodor/index.html](http://www.cnn.com/2016/05/23/entertainment/game-of-thrones-hodor/index.html) Will Bran have the equivalent of a locator beacon on his arm for the Night’s King to find him, unless and until he has it magically removed, or (yikes) chops his arm off? ---
**Author:** ![JSexton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/96bed5/32.png) [@JSexton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JSexton)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2016, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-6-open-show-book-discussion-thread-spoilers/753058/338 "2016-05-23T16:39:40Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > Hodor. > > And the actor who played him: [http://www.cnn.com/2016/05/23/entertainment/game-of-thrones-hodor/index.html](http://www.cnn.com/2016/05/23/entertainment/game-of-thrones-hodor/index.html) > > Will Bran have the equivalent of a locator beacon on his arm for the Night’s King to find him, unless and until he has it magically removed, or (yikes) chops his arm off? I’m thinking his plan is going to be to get south of the Wall, which ought to be beyond the Night King’s reach. Except that moving the mark beyond the Wall either doesn’t work or worse, has a bad effect on the Wall itself. Is he going to be known as Brandon the Breaker? ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2016, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-6-open-show-book-discussion-thread-spoilers/753058/339 "2016-05-23T20:52:24Z")
That Iron Islands drowning ritual—I was under the impression that only the priestly types—the drowned men—went through that. Its been a while since I dead that section—did the king elect have to go through it? ---
**Author:** ![ISiddiqui](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/97f17d/32.png) [@ISiddiqui](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ISiddiqui)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2016, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-6-open-show-book-discussion-thread-spoilers/753058/340 "2016-05-23T20:53:53Z")
> [@Acsenray](#): > > That Iron Islands drowning ritual—I was under the impression that only the priestly types—the drowned men—went through that. Its been a while since I dead that section—did the king elect have to go through it? Everyone supposedly has to… Which brings me to another thing that bothered me. Obviously they are racing through Iron Islands plot, but I always liked that the Damphair really hated Euron, and mostly because Euron was an atheist. Here, he’s the biggest Drowned God supporter there is apparently. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-6-open-show-book-discussion-thread-spoilers/753058.md?page=16) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-6-open-show-book-discussion-thread-spoilers/753058.md?page=18)