# Game of Thrones Season 6 open show/book discussion thread \[spoilers\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [April 25, 2016, 2:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-6-open-show-book-discussion-thread-spoilers/753058 "2016-04-25T02:16:12Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 19
**Author:** ![Sterling\_Archer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f1d935/32.png) [@Sterling\_Archer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sterling_Archer)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2016, 10:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-6-open-show-book-discussion-thread-spoilers/753058/361 "2016-05-23T22:45:45Z")
The 4th book has the kingsmoot stuff. The timeline is so different though, since Theon is still captive and it isn’t until after it goes against Asha/Yara she realizes she needs Theon to challenge Euron. ---
**Author:** ![lisiate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f05b48/32.png) [@lisiate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lisiate)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2016, 11:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-6-open-show-book-discussion-thread-spoilers/753058/362 "2016-05-23T23:42:35Z")
A bookfan has put a [new trailer up.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMI_HBO5FOM) ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2016, 1:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-6-open-show-book-discussion-thread-spoilers/753058/363 "2016-05-24T01:26:47Z")
> [@lisiate](#): > > A bookfan has put a [new trailer up.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMI_HBO5FOM) My eyes! MY EYES!!! ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2016, 1:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-6-open-show-book-discussion-thread-spoilers/753058/364 "2016-05-24T13:29:19Z")
The actress who plays Brienne says she’s all for a romance (if you could call it that) between her character and Tormund Giantsbane: [Game of Thrones: Gwendoline Christie on Tormund-Brienne | Time](http://time.com/4345066/game-of-thrones-gwendoline-christie-brienne-of-tarth-tormund/) ---
**Author:** ![Dale\_Sams](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/779978/32.png) [@Dale\_Sams](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dale_Sams)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2016, 6:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-6-open-show-book-discussion-thread-spoilers/753058/365 "2016-05-24T18:06:33Z")
I just thought of a crazy theory. Bran enters the Tower of Joy…discovers the truth…and wargs into the baby to communicate the news to Jon. Either by some kind of mental connection or Jon/Bran tells someone. Jon: “you’re right. I am a bastard Stark. But not the one you think.” (Jon wanders off…realizes he forgot his keys like he did after being resurrected and comes back) ---
**Author:** ![Rigamarole](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/77aa72/32.png) [@Rigamarole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rigamarole)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2016, 9:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-6-open-show-book-discussion-thread-spoilers/753058/366 "2016-05-24T21:16:49Z")
> [@Biggirl](#): > > Here’s a thought-- checks to make sure in the right thread-- what if Brienne and Pod, on there way to The Riverlands run into those peaceniks in the Saltpans. Maybe we’ll see The Hound again. Of course it was never confirmed that The Hound became one of those monks but there were enough hints that it was. That would be cool. > [@Biggirl](#): > > I’m telling you, Brienne and Pod are going over to the Saltpans. He’s gonna be that wandering monk who will “raise” The Hound from the dead, so to speak. At least, that’s what I’m hoping. Of course that’s happening - I’ve been saying it forever. It’s what needs to happen so we can get Cleganebowl. > [@Biggirl](#): > > The show has totally skipped over how insane Euron is. I was telling that to my husband as we watched. If I were a TV viewer I’d be all “Who the hell is this guy? Where’d he come from? Why does anyone care what he has to say?” > [@Sterling\_Archer](#): > > The 4th book has the kingsmoot stuff. The timeline is so different though, since Theon is still captive and it isn’t until after it goes against Asha/Yara she realizes she needs Theon to challenge Euron. Yeah, last season some people were discussing how they seemed to skip over most of the Iron Islands story, and some thought they were going to cut it from the show completely. Although I’m glad that they’re finally getting it in, it feels a little shoehorned, since they never bothered to previously establish Euron (or Victarion for that matter, who does seem to be cut from the show). In the books wasn’t it _Victarion_ who pledges to win over Dany with his fleet? And Euron just stays home to rule, right? And obviously Asha and Theon don’t take over his ships. So who knows where this is going. ---
**Author:** ![Sterling\_Archer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f1d935/32.png) [@Sterling\_Archer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sterling_Archer)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2016, 12:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-6-open-show-book-discussion-thread-spoilers/753058/367 "2016-05-25T00:21:49Z")
No, Euron was the one who pledge to get Dany. Remember he had the big dragon horn? Victarion’s speech was “more of what Balon gave you”. ---
**Author:** ![Rigamarole](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/77aa72/32.png) [@Rigamarole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rigamarole)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2016, 12:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-6-open-show-book-discussion-thread-spoilers/753058/368 "2016-05-25T00:39:18Z")
> [@Sterling\_Archer](#): > > No, Euron was the one who pledge to get Dany. Remember he had the big dragon horn? Victarion’s speech was “more of what Balon gave you”. Right, but Victarion is the one who actually goes to Mereen to get her with his fleet. ---
**Author:** ![thelurkinghorror](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7c8e57/32.png) [@thelurkinghorror](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thelurkinghorror)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2016, 12:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-6-open-show-book-discussion-thread-spoilers/753058/369 "2016-05-25T00:42:56Z")
Euron wants to marry Daenerys, so he sends Victarion to retrieve her, I guess he can’t be arsed to. Victarion goes but decides to marry her and claim the dragons himself. ---
**Author:** ![Rigamarole](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/77aa72/32.png) [@Rigamarole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rigamarole)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2016, 1:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-6-open-show-book-discussion-thread-spoilers/753058/370 "2016-05-25T01:10:56Z")
> [@thelurkinghorror](#): > > Euron wants to marry Daenerys, so he sends Victarion to retrieve her, I guess he can’t be arsed to. Victarion goes but decides to marry her and claim the dragons himself. Yeah, that’s how I remember it. The show is cutting out the middle man. So he’s probably not going to be that important to the plot later, either. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2016, 2:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-6-open-show-book-discussion-thread-spoilers/753058/371 "2016-05-25T02:13:18Z")
For those who liked the actor who played Stannis: [The Tunnel: PBS Debuts British-French Crime Series in June - canceled + renewed TV shows - TV Series Finale](http://tvseriesfinale.com/tv-show/tunnel-pbs-debuts-crime-series-june/) ---
**Author:** ![tim314](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tim314/32/3468_2.png) [@tim314](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tim314)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2016, 7:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-6-open-show-book-discussion-thread-spoilers/753058/372 "2016-05-26T19:50:46Z")
> [@G0sp3l](#): > > I think I’m being whooshed. Hodor’s book birth name is Walder, I always took the hodoring as an attempt at his name. In the bit after the show, the show runners were suggesting that “Hold the Door” came from GRRM. Something like “we couldn’t believe it when George told us!” I imagine “Walder” being similar to “Hodor” was deliberate as well, but as a red herring. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2016, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-6-open-show-book-discussion-thread-spoilers/753058/373 "2016-05-26T19:53:40Z")
> [@G0sp3l](#): > > I think I’m being whooshed. Hodor’s book birth name is Walder, I always took the hodoring as an attempt at his name. Nope. No whooshing. ---
**Author:** ![Push\_You\_Down](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/push_you_down/32/9095_2.png) [@Push\_You\_Down](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Push_You_Down)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2016, 12:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-6-open-show-book-discussion-thread-spoilers/753058/374 "2016-05-27T00:01:07Z")
> [@tim314](#): > > In the bit after the show, the show runners were suggesting that “Hold the Door” came from GRRM. Something like “we couldn’t believe it when George told us!” > > I imagine “Walder” being similar to “Hodor” was deliberate as well, but as a red herring. The other reason people are thinking this is straight from the upcoming book is someone telling GRRM a funny version of the Hold the Door elevator operator theory…and GRRM saying “You have no idea how close you are!” ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2016, 1:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-6-open-show-book-discussion-thread-spoilers/753058/375 "2016-05-27T01:35:27Z")
> [@tim314](#): > > …I imagine “Walder” being similar to “Hodor” was deliberate as well, but as a red herring. It’s a somewhat common name in Westeros: > **[Walder Frey](http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Walder_Frey)** > > Walder Frey is the Lord of the Crossing and head of House Frey. Though almost ninety years old and infirm, he still maintains an active hand in the running of his house at the Twins.\[8\] > **[Walder Brax](http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Walder_Brax)** > > Walder Brax is the second son of Ser Flement Brax and Morya Frey.\[2\] ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2016, 2:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-6-open-show-book-discussion-thread-spoilers/753058/376 "2016-05-30T02:03:29Z")
I liked that Benjen’s hands were black as a Coldhands shoutout. Really didn’t like episode 6 though. ---
**Author:** ![magnusblitz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b4bc9f/32.png) [@magnusblitz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magnusblitz)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2016, 5:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-6-open-show-book-discussion-thread-spoilers/753058/377 "2016-05-30T05:21:22Z")
I’d still wager that Book Coldhands isn’t Benjen, and this is just a case of combining characters for the TV show. Pretty cool that Sam is taking Heartsbane. It always seemed like it existed to be his, given that it’s one of the few remaining Valyrian steel blades and just happens to be the ancestral sword of Sam the Slayer’s family… ---
**Author:** ![Biggirl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biggirl/32/3294_2.png) [@Biggirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biggirl)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2016, 6:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-6-open-show-book-discussion-thread-spoilers/753058/378 "2016-05-30T06:08:00Z")
Now the TV show is sorta where the books are with Jaime. He’s going north with an army-- except he hasn’t been rejected by Cersei and isn’t pissed at her. The Riverlands is where we last saw Jaime bookwise, yes? ---
**Author:** ![Rigamarole](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/77aa72/32.png) [@Rigamarole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rigamarole)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2016, 6:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-6-open-show-book-discussion-thread-spoilers/753058/379 "2016-05-30T06:28:56Z")
> [@Snarky\_Kong](#): > > I liked that Benjen’s hands were black as a Coldhands shoutout. > [@magnusblitz](#): > > I’d still wager that Book Coldhands isn’t Benjen, and this is just a case of combining characters for the TV show. Yeah, GRRM has said Coldhands isn’t Benjen. But when this character showed up he definitely had a Coldhands vibe about him. Also with the facial covering, and he even said he started to become wightified but the CotF reversed it. ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2016, 6:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-6-open-show-book-discussion-thread-spoilers/753058/380 "2016-05-30T06:45:55Z")
> [@Biggirl](#): > > Now the TV show is sorta where the books are with Jaime. He’s going north with an army-- except he hasn’t been rejected by Cersei and isn’t pissed at her. The Riverlands is where we last saw Jaime bookwise, yes? Brienne took him to see Lady Stoneheart. I believe he was mediating the Blackwood/Bracken squabble at the time? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-6-open-show-book-discussion-thread-spoilers/753058.md?page=18) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-6-open-show-book-discussion-thread-spoilers/753058.md?page=20)