# Game of Thrones Season 6 open show/book discussion thread \[spoilers\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [April 25, 2016, 2:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-6-open-show-book-discussion-thread-spoilers/753058 "2016-04-25T02:16:12Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 20
**Author:** ![Barrett\_Bonden](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/5e9695/32.png) [@Barrett\_Bonden](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Barrett_Bonden)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2016, 2:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-6-open-show-book-discussion-thread-spoilers/753058/381 "2016-05-30T14:06:44Z")
So Benjen is undead-ish, Jon is resurrected, and in the books, Catelyn Stark is back from the dead. The Stark family have an impressive Not Dead Yet / Been Killed Once ratio. ---
**Author:** ![StarvingButStrong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/starvingbutstrong/32/335_2.png) [@StarvingButStrong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/StarvingButStrong)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2016, 2:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-6-open-show-book-discussion-thread-spoilers/753058/382 "2016-05-30T14:33:46Z")
How many named/noteworthy characters still have any potential storyline from the published books left? Allowing for characters being merged/renamed is okay. Like, Euron might possibly get some of the events from Victarian’s journey, that counts. Sam could have some of his events at Maester U. What else? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2016, 2:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-6-open-show-book-discussion-thread-spoilers/753058/383 "2016-05-30T14:40:48Z")
> [@StarvingButStrong](#): > > How many named/noteworthy characters still have any potential storyline from the published books left? > > Allowing for characters being merged/renamed is okay. Like, Euron might possibly get some of the events from Victarian’s journey, that counts. > > Sam could have some of his events at Maester U. > > What else? Jaime and Brienne and Blackfish at Riverrun. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2016, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-6-open-show-book-discussion-thread-spoilers/753058/384 "2016-05-30T17:29:40Z")
> [@clairobscur](#): > > Stannis wouldn’t accept that, and he would want to die at this point, anyway. > > I believe he’s indeed dead, but this pisses me off, because it was a big, long, complex and important story arc that suddenly went poof along with most characters involved in two episodes. I feel cheated and I’m extremely disapointed with this. Cheer up. We still have Davos :). And Stannis’ arc was over, really. He’d been beaten once, refused to admit it, tried again and went as far as burning his own bloody daughter to realize his ambitions. He’d made questionable choices before, but that was really far beyond the moral event horizon. At that point he can no longer claim to be the honourable choice, nor to have never compromised his principles for nobody. When even his wife (who hated Shireen) realized how truly, debauchedly fucked up what they’d done was, he did too and was broken. The loss of half his army confirmed he’d made the wrong move. After that, killing him off is just mopping up and tying off loose ends - he wouldn’t have amounted to anything any more, even had he survived. An object lesson on how really really wanting something doesn’t mean shit in this world. RIP The Mannis. ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2016, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-6-open-show-book-discussion-thread-spoilers/753058/385 "2016-05-30T19:00:29Z")
> [@StarvingButStrong](#): > > How many named/noteworthy characters still have any potential storyline from the published books left? > > Allowing for characters being merged/renamed is okay. Like, Euron might possibly get some of the events from Victarian’s journey, that counts. > > Sam could have some of his events at Maester U. > > What else? Sam’s storyline is changed. In the books he went to Maester U while Arya was still a faceless man in Braavos. And he didn’t have Gilly and the baby with him. That plotline in the book didn’t go anywhere anyway. He can’t be a Maester now, as that would require giving up his family for the Citadel, and he already said he will never do that. I think Sam is going to try to get back up north now - perhaps just in time to hit the Riverlands when everyone else does. Or maybe he’ll try to find sanctuary for his family somewhere in the south where the White Walkers can’t get to them, and wind up involved in the storyline with Varys/Tyrion, or with Daeneris or Arya. ---
**Author:** ![Rigamarole](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/77aa72/32.png) [@Rigamarole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rigamarole)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2016, 11:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-6-open-show-book-discussion-thread-spoilers/753058/386 "2016-05-30T23:39:49Z")
> [@StarvingButStrong](#): > > How many named/noteworthy characters still have any potential storyline from the published books left? I still think it’s not completely out of the realm of possibility for LSH and/or Young Aegon to make a late-game appearance. Especially with Aegon, his story was really just getting started toward the end of the last book, so there’s no way of knowing how important he’ll be in the end. So we didn’t see him crossing Essos in a wagon and meeting Tyrion that way, big deal. I think if he’s meant to have any importance in the books, which he seems to be, then he’ll show up eventually in the show. LSH is pretty unlikely at this point, but I don’t think it’s impossible. ---
**Author:** ![ISiddiqui](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/97f17d/32.png) [@ISiddiqui](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ISiddiqui)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2016, 3:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-6-open-show-book-discussion-thread-spoilers/753058/387 "2016-05-31T15:55:06Z")
It appears they are just fucking with us book readers in the Riverlands: Brienne AND Jamie heading to the Riverlands. Lord Frey referencing the Red Wedding AND the Brotherhood without Banners? Bran flashing back to Cat? Should we resume the Lady Stoneheart watch and risk heartbreak? Oh, why not… ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2016, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-6-open-show-book-discussion-thread-spoilers/753058/388 "2016-05-31T16:56:16Z")
Michelle Fairely was in Northern Ireland last year. I’m not sure where the Riverlands scenes were shot though. I’d be surprised, but not shocked if LSH was in the show. There’s not a chance in hell that Aegon appears, IMO. His appearance in the books was way too abrupt, they haven’t laid any groundwork for him yet, and he’s almost certainly not a Targaryen that Dany will expose. I don’t see any reason for it unless they really need to pad the remaining episodes in the series. ---
**Author:** ![Rigamarole](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/77aa72/32.png) [@Rigamarole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rigamarole)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2016, 10:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-6-open-show-book-discussion-thread-spoilers/753058/389 "2016-05-31T22:13:10Z")
> [@Snarky\_Kong](#): > > There’s not a chance in hell that Aegon appears, IMO. His appearance in the books was way too abrupt, Exactly why we have no idea what GRRM has in store for him yet. He could end up being the key to everything, in which case of course he’ll be in the show. We don’t know. > [@Snarky\_Kong](#): > > they haven’t laid any groundwork for him yet, In the books, it amounts to Tyrion riding in a wagon with him and gradually noticing his Targaryen features. You could have that happen in a different setting, with a different character, and it would take about 2 minutes to establish. There’s a couple seasons left still, no reason that can’t happen. > [@Snarky\_Kong](#): > > and he’s almost certainly not a Targaryen that Dany will expose. I don’t see any reason for it unless they really need to pad the remaining episodes in the series. Not sure about whether he’s really Targ or not, but you (and everyone else) has no idea what’s in store for him so of course we’re not in a position to decide whether there’s a “reason” for it or not. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2016, 10:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-6-open-show-book-discussion-thread-spoilers/753058/390 "2016-05-31T22:31:29Z")
Would Sam’s father just have a Valyrian sword hanging there like that? Aren’t they like mithril vests from Lord of the Rings, where they are ludicrously valuable? ---
**Author:** ![Rigamarole](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/77aa72/32.png) [@Rigamarole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rigamarole)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2016, 10:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-6-open-show-book-discussion-thread-spoilers/753058/391 "2016-05-31T22:46:42Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > Would Sam’s father just have a Valyrian sword hanging there like that? Aren’t they like mithril vests from Lord of the Rings, where they are ludicrously valuable? … in his home? Where he’d expect it to be reasonably secure? I mean, the only more secure place would be to put it in some kind of vault under lock and key. But vanity demands one display such things for others to see, or else what’s the point? ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2016, 11:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-6-open-show-book-discussion-thread-spoilers/753058/392 "2016-05-31T23:28:13Z")
Yeah, and Gendry might be TPTWP. “You don’t know 100% for sure so you can’t speculate” is an obnoxious thing to say. ---
**Author:** ![Rigamarole](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/77aa72/32.png) [@Rigamarole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rigamarole)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2016, 11:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-6-open-show-book-discussion-thread-spoilers/753058/393 "2016-05-31T23:56:38Z")
> [@Snarky\_Kong](#): > > Yeah, and Gendry might be TPTWP. “You don’t know 100% for sure so you can’t speculate” is an obnoxious thing to say. But in this case you don’t know 90% for sure, 50% for sure, or even 10% for sure. The little Aegon storyline is still in relatively incipient stages in the books, and clearly GRRM has some plan for where it’s going. A plan which none of us know or can predict. So to say there’s “not a chance in hell” of it showing up is a tad premature, to say the least. It may in fact be cut but we don’t have enough information to make that strong of an assumption on it yet. ---
**Author:** ![thelurkinghorror](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7c8e57/32.png) [@thelurkinghorror](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thelurkinghorror)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2016, 3:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-6-open-show-book-discussion-thread-spoilers/753058/394 "2016-06-01T03:36:05Z")
> [@lisiate](#): > > Wasn’t there a passage that strongly suggests that Euron had abused him as a kid as well? > [@thelurkinghorror](#): > > Something about being in fear of a creaking door; pretty subtle so not everyone might interpret it the same. [According to this article](http://www.vulture.com/2016/05/winds-of-winter-new-chapter-what-we-learned.html) summarizing a chapter GRRM read at an event, yep, Euron is a sick fuck. [This is the text](https://angrygotfan.com/2016/05/29/the-winds-of-winter-the-damphair-part-1/). ---
**Author:** ![lisiate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f05b48/32.png) [@lisiate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lisiate)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2016, 6:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-6-open-show-book-discussion-thread-spoilers/753058/395 "2016-06-01T06:06:46Z")
Wow that chapter isn’t subtle at all. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2016, 11:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-6-open-show-book-discussion-thread-spoilers/753058/396 "2016-06-03T11:24:55Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > Would Sam’s father just have a Valyrian sword hanging there like that? Aren’t they like mithril vests from Lord of the Rings, where they are ludicrously valuable? You mean the mithril vest Bilbo loaned to a museum for public display? ---
**Author:** ![ISiddiqui](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/97f17d/32.png) [@ISiddiqui](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ISiddiqui)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2016, 3:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-6-open-show-book-discussion-thread-spoilers/753058/397 "2016-06-06T03:20:51Z")
So Lady Stoneheart is coming back, right? Why else would the Brotherhood without Banners turn bad? Also Arya isn’t dead yet, so I am guessing last second salvation. Also Septon Meribald we hardly knew ye. And unfortunately he didn’t get to give his fantastic speech. Oh well. Sent from my Nexus 6P using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![thelurkinghorror](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7c8e57/32.png) [@thelurkinghorror](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thelurkinghorror)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2016, 5:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-6-open-show-book-discussion-thread-spoilers/753058/398 "2016-06-06T05:56:20Z")
I take it the big bearded guy is Lemoncloak. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2016, 6:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-6-open-show-book-discussion-thread-spoilers/753058/399 "2016-06-06T06:25:39Z")
That was a waste of the septon character, assuming he was supposed to be Septon Meribald. Given the episode title is “The Broken Man”, and it seemed he was cast as Meribald, they missed a good chance for one of the best pieces of the entire series. ---
**Author:** ![Rigamarole](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/77aa72/32.png) [@Rigamarole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rigamarole)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2016, 9:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-6-open-show-book-discussion-thread-spoilers/753058/400 "2016-06-06T09:45:58Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > That was a waste of the septon character, assuming he was supposed to be Septon Meribald. Given the episode title is “The Broken Man”, and it seemed he was cast as Meribald, they missed a good chance for one of the best pieces of the entire series. You mean Brienne and Pod meeting him? I don’t remember him being very interesting in the books at all, only being a vehicle for dropping clues that Ser Sandor is still alive. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-6-open-show-book-discussion-thread-spoilers/753058.md?page=19) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-6-open-show-book-discussion-thread-spoilers/753058.md?page=21)