# Game of Thrones Season 6 open show/book discussion thread \[spoilers\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [April 25, 2016, 2:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-6-open-show-book-discussion-thread-spoilers/753058 "2016-04-25T02:16:12Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 14\ **Page:** 29
**Author:** ![thelurkinghorror](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7c8e57/32.png) [@thelurkinghorror](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thelurkinghorror)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2016, 9:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-6-open-show-book-discussion-thread-spoilers/753058/561 "2016-06-27T21:51:40Z")
I really did not like the Frey pie scene. It makes no sense. Arya travelled halfway around the world, she kills two of them, manages to grind them by hand in short order without being discovered (not a fun task without a motor). Then she brings the pie to Walder, and confronts him before he even eats it (or maybe he had a small bite?). Compare that to just visiting and killing the three of them quickly. She is even allowed the same death quip, which is not relevant to the making of pies. It didn’t have to be Manderley to do it, but the original scene was much better, as it highlighted that is was okay to betray allies and murder them, but betraying guest right, as Walder did, was beyond the pale. They could’ve even had Arya kill him in a later scene if they wanted. Are we supposed to assume that Unella was left to be raped by Gregor? I kind of assumed his equipment would’ve stopped working by this point. I was watching on a small screen; was there anything special we could see when he removed his helmet besides ugly? The books make it seem like he doesn’t have a head at all. ---
**Author:** ![Ambrosio\_Spinola](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9de0a6/32.png) [@Ambrosio\_Spinola](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ambrosio_Spinola)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2016, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-6-open-show-book-discussion-thread-spoilers/753058/562 "2016-06-27T22:06:07Z")
> [@thelurkinghorror](#): > > The Lannisters do have a Baratheon ancestor, and [it is suggested that the Lannisters have the next best claim](http://mashable.com/2016/05/03/game-thrones-heir/#7dr5yS2RLuqA) (feel free to dispute their claims, I didn’t do this research). Jaime can’t inherit and Tyrion is persona non grata so Cersei it is. Females can inherit after males, [although the exact order varies depending on which system they’re currently using](https://www.reddit.com/r/asoiaf/comments/16mqp1/spoilers_all_complete_guide_to_westerosi/). The show doesn’t really get into all that, but either way her claim is pretty weak/murky, but someone will have to dispute it first. Interesting - although it also points out that since Tommen kicked Jaime out of the Kingsguard, he should technically be back in the line of succession now, and as a man he’d come before Cersei despite being the younger twin. He would also have been ahead of his uncle Kevan as head of the House, but doesn’t appear to have been interested in asserting that. > [@](#): > > Seems like many Iron Islanders \*\*did \*\*have a problem with Euron, considering they sailed off with a woman and a cripple. However, Euron’s supporters greatly outnumber the dissatisfied Ironborn, by about 10:1 if he ends up having 1,000 ships to their hundred. > [@](#): > > Ramsay claimed his dad was poisoned, and the only witnesses aren’t going to dispute that, through fear or self-interest. If Smalljon Umber’s reaction was any indication, no one in the North actually believed this story, and I guess he didn’t really have any enthusiastic allies, so maybe that part is more plausible after all. ---
**Author:** ![JSexton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/96bed5/32.png) [@JSexton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JSexton)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2016, 10:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-6-open-show-book-discussion-thread-spoilers/753058/563 "2016-06-27T22:07:40Z")
> [@MaxTheVool](#): > > I like your version a lot better also. I just can’t imagine why, if that’s what the showrunners actually had in mind, they were steadfastly refuse to actually demonstrate that. I think it’s not uncommon for creators to assume that the viewers/readers will arrive at the right conclusion, even if it turns out they left out some crucial pieces of dialogue or left important film on the cutting room floor. There’s not much downtime, so they might not have the luxury of showing the rough cuts to a virgin audience and asking them what they thought just happened, and making changes based on that. ---
**Author:** ![JSexton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/96bed5/32.png) [@JSexton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JSexton)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2016, 10:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-6-open-show-book-discussion-thread-spoilers/753058/564 "2016-06-27T22:09:02Z")
> [@thelurkinghorror](#): > > Are we supposed to assume that Unella was left to be raped by Gregor? I kind of assumed his equipment would’ve stopped working by this point. That was my assumption. Rape need not be with a working equipment, if one is sadistic enough. And we know that Gregor is a sadist. ---
**Author:** ![thelurkinghorror](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7c8e57/32.png) [@thelurkinghorror](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thelurkinghorror)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2016, 12:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-6-open-show-book-discussion-thread-spoilers/753058/565 "2016-06-28T00:09:41Z")
> [@Ambrosio\_Spinola](#): > > However, Euron’s supporters greatly outnumber the dissatisfied Ironborn, by about 10:1 if he ends up having 1,000 ships to their hundred. Those numbers sound right, but as of now: I might be misremembering, but wasn’t Euron’s plan basically: 1. Get elected 2. ??? 3. Profit! He won with empty promises about what he was capable of, and that he would build ships, but no, he didn’t actually have many ships at the time. > [@JSexton](#): > > That was my assumption. Rape need not be with a working equipment, if one is sadistic enough. And we know that Gregor is a sadist. Yeah, it might’ve been creepier though to give her the Falyse Stokeworth treatment. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2016, 1:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-6-open-show-book-discussion-thread-spoilers/753058/566 "2016-06-28T01:47:49Z")
> [@thelurkinghorror](#): > > Then she brings the pie to Walder, and confronts him before he even eats it (or maybe he had a small bite?). It’s not conveyed very well, but he already ate a whole slice (it’s what he was finishing off when the scene started) and she was offering him a second piece. Matching the rat cook story. ---
**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2016, 2:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-6-open-show-book-discussion-thread-spoilers/753058/567 "2016-06-28T02:13:58Z")
> [@MaxTheVool](#): > > This would be a perfect ending for Littlefinger: He marries Dany, and they become reigning King and Queen, officially co-rulers. But instead of him being the real ruler and her just a figurehead, as he assumes, the opposite happens, and the series ends with him sitting on the Iron Throne, but with no actual power or influence, while Dany gets busy with Dario. Daenerys would take the big chair, Littlefinger would have a smaller throne beside hers. > [@Ambrosio\_Spinola](#): > > The last episode really brought home the point for me that this season we’ve shifted from feudalism to the Klingon Empire, where whoever kills the king becomes the king. By what possible theory has Cersei become Queen?.. Right of conquest; it just happens that he only thing she’s “conquered” is King’s Landing. ---
**Author:** ![Rigamarole](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/77aa72/32.png) [@Rigamarole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rigamarole)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2016, 3:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-6-open-show-book-discussion-thread-spoilers/753058/568 "2016-06-28T03:16:17Z")
> [@Ambrosio\_Spinola](#): > > By what possible theory has Cersei become Queen? The theory that she’s there, and there’s nobody around to stop her. It makes perfect sense that she would assume rule at this point in time when there’s no other legitimate claimant to the throne. There _will_ be people coming to contest her claim shortly, and that will lead us into the spectacular ending to the series. But _for now_, things in King’s Landing are progressing exactly as one would expect them to. > [@thelurkinghorror](#): > > Are we supposed to assume that Unella was left to be raped by Gregor? I kind of assumed his equipment would’ve stopped working by this point. He’s got rigor mortis on his side. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![ISiddiqui](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/97f17d/32.png) [@ISiddiqui](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ISiddiqui)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2016, 3:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-6-open-show-book-discussion-thread-spoilers/753058/569 "2016-06-28T15:33:49Z")
> [@thelurkinghorror](#): > > The Lannisters do have a Baratheon ancestor, and [it is suggested that the Lannisters have the next best claim](http://mashable.com/2016/05/03/game-thrones-heir/#7dr5yS2RLuqA) (feel free to dispute their claims, I didn’t do this research). Jaime can’t inherit and Tyrion is persona non grata so Cersei it is. Females can inherit after males, [although the exact order varies depending on which system they’re currently using](https://www.reddit.com/r/asoiaf/comments/16mqp1/spoilers_all_complete_guide_to_westerosi/). The show doesn’t really get into all that, but either way her claim is pretty weak/murky, but someone will have to dispute it first. It doesn’t seem that the claims are canon. The link the article points to for the Baratheon family tree is broken and the furthest official Baratheon family tree goes to the Baratheon (Ormond) who married Aegon V’s daughter (not counting people like Orys Baratheon, Aegon I’s bastard brother, who have been briefly named but never really connected to the whole… well, aside from I guess, Orys was the founder of the line). And as mentioned, Jamie can inherit now. But right now it’s power that controls. Cersei, if you think of it, is a new Usurper. But then again, no one knows who’d be next to inherit anyway. ---
**Author:** ![thelurkinghorror](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7c8e57/32.png) [@thelurkinghorror](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thelurkinghorror)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2016, 3:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-6-open-show-book-discussion-thread-spoilers/753058/570 "2016-06-28T15:56:51Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > It’s not conveyed very well, but he already ate a whole slice (it’s what he was finishing off when the scene started) and she was offering him a second piece. Matching the rat cook story. Thanks, really hard to tell when watching on a laptop through Xfinity. I only assumed he saw a finger. ---
**Author:** ![up\_the\_junction](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/f1d935/32.png) [@up\_the\_junction](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/up_the_junction)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2016, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-6-open-show-book-discussion-thread-spoilers/753058/571 "2016-06-28T19:30:22Z")
Straight choice for President Donald Trump or Lady Lyanna Mormont … ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2016, 9:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-6-open-show-book-discussion-thread-spoilers/753058/572 "2016-06-28T21:43:27Z")
> [@up\_the\_junction](#): > > Straight choice for President Donald Trump or Lady Lyanna Mormont … Is that even a question? ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2016, 1:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-6-open-show-book-discussion-thread-spoilers/753058/573 "2016-06-29T01:28:55Z")
Hell, I’m even willing to overlook that she’s underage and not a U.S. citizen! ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2016, 3:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-6-open-show-book-discussion-thread-spoilers/753058/574 "2016-06-29T15:42:18Z")
Where’s Gendry been all this time, anyway?: [http://img.ifcdn.com/images/2fdfb34ea3a0d9415e4ff9322234cf576fe7357a95862778efb9ddf42ec3468e\_1.jpg](http://img.ifcdn.com/images/2fdfb34ea3a0d9415e4ff9322234cf576fe7357a95862778efb9ddf42ec3468e_1.jpg) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-6-open-show-book-discussion-thread-spoilers/753058.md?page=28)