# Game of Thrones Season 6 open show/book discussion thread \[spoilers\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [April 25, 2016, 2:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-6-open-show-book-discussion-thread-spoilers/753058 "2016-04-25T02:16:12Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Bijou\_Drains](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bijou_drains/32/2814_2.png) [@Bijou\_Drains](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bijou_Drains)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2016, 11:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-6-open-show-book-discussion-thread-spoilers/753058/61 "2016-05-01T23:41:39Z")
I would think the hounds headed back to Winterfell . They should be smart enough to find their way. ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2016, 2:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-6-open-show-book-discussion-thread-spoilers/753058/62 "2016-05-02T02:04:06Z")
Holy shit Bran is old. Really distracting. I found Ramsay getting the drop on Roose like that to be unlikely. Meh. Roose would have had to expect that. Maybe I’m just upset since I find Roose to be more interesting than Ramsay. ---
**Author:** ![Emiliana](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f0a364/32.png) [@Emiliana](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Emiliana)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2016, 2:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-6-open-show-book-discussion-thread-spoilers/753058/63 "2016-05-02T02:10:16Z")
> [@Snarky\_Kong](#): > > Holy shit Bran is old. Really distracting. > > I found Ramsay getting the drop on Roose like that to be unlikely. Meh. Roose would have had to expect that. Maybe I’m just upset since I find Roose to be more interesting than Ramsay. Especially since Roose had essentially just taunted Ramsay about losing his place to the new child. ---
**Author:** ![Emily\_Litella](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/emily_litella/32/3370_2.png) [@Emily\_Litella](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Emily_Litella)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2016, 2:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-6-open-show-book-discussion-thread-spoilers/753058/64 "2016-05-02T02:17:06Z")
I don’t know how I know this but I’m pretty sure only people killed by white walkers come back as wights. Other folks are raised from the dead by priests or priestesses of the God Rholor. Oh, hey Jon, welcome back. ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2016, 2:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-6-open-show-book-discussion-thread-spoilers/753058/65 "2016-05-02T02:27:29Z")
> [@Emily\_Litella](#): > > I don’t know how I know this but I’m pretty sure only people killed by white walkers come back as wights. Other folks are raised from the dead by priests or priestesses of the God Rholor. > > Oh, hey Jon, welcome back. The wildlings burn all the corpses of everyone no matter who they’re killed by. ---
**Author:** ![TruCelt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/trucelt/32/523_2.png) [@TruCelt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TruCelt)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2016, 2:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-6-open-show-book-discussion-thread-spoilers/753058/66 "2016-05-02T02:31:43Z")
I don’t usually play this game, but: Called. It. First. [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=15025931&postcount=40](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=15025931&postcount=40) Ramsey can’t die soon enough for me. He gives me the straight willies, and I hope Sansa or Theon stab him with their own hands. Poor Theon. Jebus. And poor Walda. I didn’t see the change in Arya that made the man decide she’d learned her lesson. As much as I hated it, that needed to go on for a bit longer. . . ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2016, 2:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-6-open-show-book-discussion-thread-spoilers/753058/67 "2016-05-02T02:43:22Z")
So we’re getting the Tower of Joy next week. I’ve been waiting for 15 years to see that, I hope it lives up to it, but I’ll probably be annoyed that Dayne’s not wielding Dawn or wearing the Kingsguard armor. ---
**Author:** ![Snupzilla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/54ee81/32.png) [@Snupzilla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snupzilla)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2016, 4:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-6-open-show-book-discussion-thread-spoilers/753058/68 "2016-05-02T04:50:09Z")
I felt the Walda scene was a complete waste of two minutes that could have been better spent on some actual plot point or at least interesting visuals. Any reasonably intellegent person who has been following the show knew exactly what “bring me Walda and the baby” meant and there was no need to spell it out immediatly in all the gory details. Ramsey is an absolute deranged psychopath and the show has already gone to great lengths to remind us that dozens of times before. Why force us to watch another unpleasent example when subtlety would have been just as effective and probably creepier? ---
**Author:** ![magnusblitz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b4bc9f/32.png) [@magnusblitz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magnusblitz)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2016, 6:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-6-open-show-book-discussion-thread-spoilers/753058/69 "2016-05-02T06:16:49Z")
Really surprised to see Euron suddenly turn up, I kinda thought they were just gonna skip over the Iron Islands plot (or really truncate it, like having Asha/Yara take Victarion’s place by bringing the armada to Dany). Yay, Kingsmoot! They are really ripping through the plot elsewhere, though… two episodes and we’ve already had Doran and Roose killed off, much quicker and with much less build up/drama than I’d expect from the books. > [@Snarky\_Kong](#): > > So we’re getting the Tower of Joy next week. I’ve been waiting for 15 years to see that, I hope it lives up to it, but I’ll probably be annoyed that Dayne’s not wielding Dawn or wearing the Kingsguard armor. Yeah, I had to watch that preview three times before realizing WTF it was supposed to be. No Kingsguard armor?? (I’m also secretly still hoping for High Septon = Howland Reed theory… I suppose if Howland isn’t played by the Septon in the flashback, that doesn’t complete kill the theory for the books, but it isn’t good) ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2016, 7:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-6-open-show-book-discussion-thread-spoilers/753058/70 "2016-05-02T07:32:52Z")
> [@Snarky\_Kong](#): > > I found Ramsay getting the drop on Roose like that to be unlikely. Meh. Roose would have had to expect that. Maybe I’m just upset since I find Roose to be more interesting than Ramsay. I mean, he’s lived with him his whole life. What is he going to do, have him frisked when he comes to dinner? Ramsay has always been desperate to seek his approval and as far as we’ve seen obedient and loyal. > [@TruCelt](#): > > I don’t usually play this game, but: Called. It. First. > > [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=15025931&postcount=40](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=15025931&postcount=40) Called what? The most obvious plot point in history? All the pieces were in place and it wasn’t even really a plot twist, it was really just putting 2 and 2 together. The only thing surprising about it was that there wasn’t some twist to subvert the expectation that we all had for that happening. ---
**Author:** ![Rigamarole](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/77aa72/32.png) [@Rigamarole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rigamarole)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2016, 7:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-6-open-show-book-discussion-thread-spoilers/753058/71 "2016-05-02T07:44:11Z")
> [@Snarky\_Kong](#): > > I found Ramsay getting the drop on Roose like that to be unlikely. Meh. Roose would have had to expect that. Maybe I’m just upset since I find Roose to be more interesting than Ramsay. Would have had to expect being murdered by his son? I mean, he’s aware that Ramsay’s a piece of shit, but I don’t think anyone ever really expects _that_. > [@TruCelt](#): > > I don’t usually play this game, but: Called. It. First. > > [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=15025931&postcount=40](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=15025931&postcount=40) > [@SenorBeef](#): > > Called what? The most obvious plot point in history? Well, we were all expecting it since last season’s finale, but **TruCelt** did at least get it in 2012. 😛 BTW folks, it’s Ramsay, not “Ramsey”. ---
**Author:** ![thelurkinghorror](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7c8e57/32.png) [@thelurkinghorror](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thelurkinghorror)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2016, 8:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-6-open-show-book-discussion-thread-spoilers/753058/72 "2016-05-02T08:30:36Z")
> [@Snarky\_Kong](#): > > So we’re getting the Tower of Joy next week. I’ve been waiting for 15 years to see that, I hope it lives up to it, but I’ll probably be annoyed that Dayne’s not wielding Dawn or wearing the Kingsguard armor. How could you tell, wrong rune on the hilt or something? But someone in the “coming up next” segment looked like NPH. Could’ve been Ned for all I know. > [@SenorBeef](#): > > I mean, he’s lived with him his whole life. What is he going to do, have him frisked when he comes to dinner? Ramsay has always been desperate to seek his approval and as far as we’ve seen obedient and loyal Looks like “by the book(s)”, they didn’t really meet until 13 or so, and didn’t “hang out” until Ramsay was basically an adult. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2016, 12:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-6-open-show-book-discussion-thread-spoilers/753058/73 "2016-05-02T12:02:49Z")
Yeah, the easy and quick killing of Roose Bolton doesn’t serve that character at all. He’s supposed to have cunning, perhaps not as much as Tywin Lannister, but still—Ramsey just hug-stabs him like Kylo Ren? ---
**Author:** ![ISiddiqui](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/97f17d/32.png) [@ISiddiqui](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ISiddiqui)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2016, 2:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-6-open-show-book-discussion-thread-spoilers/753058/74 "2016-05-02T14:10:01Z")
It appears they’ve ramped up the pacing quite a bit this season (so far). The other side to that is that the showrunners feel they’ve done enough narrative and character development over 5 seasons and don’t really feel like they need to do anymore. The Arya plotline is an example of this… that Arya is now blind thing seems like a waste. You get beaten twice and then pass the easiest test ever and then you are in? Also there does seem to be a criminal waste of Tyrion and Varys in Meereen, because, as far as we know, nothing is really going on in Meereen, aside from burning the ships, so Tyrion and Varys are sitting around doing nothing, when you’d think they’d have to put down an open revolt, right? That’d actually be really interesting. I also agree that Roose would have been more on his toes about Ramsey doing something rash after the second son was born. Should have been a bit smarter about it. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2016, 2:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-6-open-show-book-discussion-thread-spoilers/753058/75 "2016-05-02T14:46:49Z")
> [@Snupzilla](#): > > I felt the Walda scene was a complete waste of two minutes that could have been better spent on some actual plot point or at least interesting visuals. I forgot to say I agree with this. Entirely gratuitous exposition. ---
**Author:** ![JSexton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/96bed5/32.png) [@JSexton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JSexton)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2016, 2:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-6-open-show-book-discussion-thread-spoilers/753058/76 "2016-05-02T14:58:14Z")
> [@magnusblitz](#): > > Yeah, I had to watch that preview three times before realizing WTF it was supposed to be. No Kingsguard armor?? > > (I’m also secretly still hoping for High Septon = Howland Reed theory… I suppose if Howland isn’t played by the Septon in the flashback, that doesn’t complete kill the theory for the books, but it isn’t good) Well, that wasn’t Sean Bean playing young Ned Stark, so why wouldn’t they also recast a young man as Howland? ---
**Author:** ![coremelt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/4491bb/32.png) [@coremelt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/coremelt)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2016, 3:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-6-open-show-book-discussion-thread-spoilers/753058/77 "2016-05-02T15:02:28Z")
Does anyone else think that the Dragons reaction to Tyrion is potentially some additional evidence for the “Tyrion is a secret Targaryen” theory? ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2016, 3:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-6-open-show-book-discussion-thread-spoilers/753058/78 "2016-05-02T15:05:06Z")
> [@coremelt](#): > > Does anyone else think that the Dragons reaction to Tyrion is potentially some additional evidence for the “Tyrion is a secret Targaryen” theory? Sure ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2016, 3:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-6-open-show-book-discussion-thread-spoilers/753058/79 "2016-05-02T15:14:38Z")
> [@Rigamarole](#): > > Would have had to expect being murdered by his son? I mean, he’s aware that Ramsay’s a piece of shit, but I don’t think anyone ever really expects _that_. Doesn’t Roose explicitly tell Reek that he expects Ramsay to try to kill him/his wife and child at some point? Of course you’d expect that of Ramsay. Hell, in Westeros you expect that of plenty of non psychopaths. Wear some chainmail if you plan on threatening him with death. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2016, 4:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-6-open-show-book-discussion-thread-spoilers/753058/80 "2016-05-02T16:44:15Z")
I fast-forwarded through the Walda/baby mauling – was anything important or interesting said? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-6-open-show-book-discussion-thread-spoilers/753058.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-6-open-show-book-discussion-thread-spoilers/753058.md?page=5)