# Game of Thrones Season 6 open show/book discussion thread \[spoilers\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [April 25, 2016, 2:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-6-open-show-book-discussion-thread-spoilers/753058 "2016-04-25T02:16:12Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Sterling\_Archer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f1d935/32.png) [@Sterling\_Archer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sterling_Archer)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2016, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-6-open-show-book-discussion-thread-spoilers/753058/121 "2016-05-09T16:54:57Z")
> [@Biggirl](#): > > The show got rid of the switching Gilly’s baby plotline, right? Because that’s what I thought when she said that thing about "your son"and then the baby close-up. I thought, it isn’t his or your son either, Gilly. > > Maybe it was a bone thrown to the book readers. I took it as “we will act like you’re the father from now on” ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2016, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-6-open-show-book-discussion-thread-spoilers/753058/122 "2016-05-09T18:19:32Z")
> [@Biggirl](#): > > [Found this gallery of book vs TV characters fun and interesting.](http://www.telegraph.co.uk/tv/2016/04/06/game-of-thrones-how-characters-look-in-the-show-vs-how-they-look)… Cool - thanks! > [@Waltzes\_with\_Cacti](#): > > After they emerge from the frozen river into the forest, Reek and Sansa take refuge under the fallen tree trunk. …Brienne and Podrick, ride in and save the day. > > All the soldiers are dead. Hurrah! Only, _what has become of the hounds?_… Don’t go there: [Kick the Dog - TV Tropes](http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/KickTheDog) > [@magnusblitz](#): > > …Yeah, I had to watch that preview three times before realizing WTF it was supposed to be. No Kingsguard armor??.. The helmets were the same as worn by the Kingsguard we’ve seen before, and they had the Targaryen three-headed-dragon crest on their breastplates (appropriate, since their liege would be Mad King Aerys), but no white cloaks. > [@coremelt](#): > > Does anyone else think that the Dragons reaction to Tyrion is potentially some additional evidence for the “Tyrion is a secret Targaryen” theory? Eh, not necessarily. The dragons are smart and know, or can figure out, that Tyrion (a) couldn’t hurt them if he tried, and (b) is actually there to do them a solid. > [@Sterling\_Archer](#): > > I was a little annoyed Ned wasn’t fighting with his greatsword Ice in the tower of joy scene. Not to mention the great-swordsman-fights-with-two-swords silliness. I wondered about that. Ned picked up Dayne’s sword and took it with him into the tower - is that what becomes Ice? > [@SenorBeef](#): > > So does the smalljon (I assume that’s who that was) fill the Manderly role? He gets ahold of Rickon, and then possibly enacts some sort of revenge/retaking of the North with him? > > It would be a nice detail if Umber is an honorable and loyal guy to the Starks, and that’s why he refused to bow to Ramsay - not for the reasons he gave, but because he intends to betray him and doesn’t want to break an oath. > > It sure would be nice for The North Remembers to manifest in some sort of righteous vengeance. I like the cut of your jib, **SenorBeef**. > [@Sterling\_Archer](#): > > I took it as “we will act like you’re the father from now on” As did I. ---
**Author:** ![ISiddiqui](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/97f17d/32.png) [@ISiddiqui](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ISiddiqui)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2016, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-6-open-show-book-discussion-thread-spoilers/753058/123 "2016-05-09T18:31:57Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > I wondered about that. Ned picked up Dayne’s sword and took it with him into the tower - is that what becomes Ice? Hope not. Ice is supposed to be the ancestral Valyrian blade of House Stark. Not Dayne’s sword reforged (and Dayne’s sword, Dawn, is pale milkglass colored, which they decided not to show). ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2016, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-6-open-show-book-discussion-thread-spoilers/753058/124 "2016-05-09T18:37:44Z")
> [@ISiddiqui](#): > > Hope not. Ice is supposed to be the ancestral Valyrian blade of House Stark. Not Dayne’s sword reforged (and Dayne’s sword, Dawn, is pale milkglass colored, which they decided not to show). Since this is the book thread, I can tell you that Ned later returned Dayne’s sword Dawn to the remaining Daynes, in their homeland far to the south. ---
**Author:** ![thelurkinghorror](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7c8e57/32.png) [@thelurkinghorror](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thelurkinghorror)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2016, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-6-open-show-book-discussion-thread-spoilers/753058/125 "2016-05-09T18:48:36Z")
> [@Snarky\_Kong](#): > > I do think we’ll get some sort of human pie this season, if not Frey, then Bolton. Makes no sense as Bolton. There needs to be a pie-r and a pie-ee or else it’s just a person eating someone they don’t care about. They could’ve done it if dear old dad were still alive, and he ate Ramsay (although neither would get _too_ bothered by human meat). Looks like they have people cast for Black Walder and Lothar Frey, so there’s a possibility it will still happen. I think they were background characters before whose names you wouldn’t know without reading supplementary material, though. Ian McShane is still “unknown role.” ---
**Author:** ![ISiddiqui](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/97f17d/32.png) [@ISiddiqui](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ISiddiqui)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2016, 6:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-6-open-show-book-discussion-thread-spoilers/753058/126 "2016-05-09T18:54:12Z")
I thought McShane was heavily rumored to be Septon Meribald. ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2016, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-6-open-show-book-discussion-thread-spoilers/753058/127 "2016-05-09T20:20:51Z")
> [@ISiddiqui](#): > > I thought McShane was heavily rumored to be Septon Meribald. He his. He’s talked about the role in interviews. ---
**Author:** ![Rigamarole](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/77aa72/32.png) [@Rigamarole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rigamarole)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2016, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-6-open-show-book-discussion-thread-spoilers/753058/128 "2016-05-09T20:26:54Z")
> [@Snarky\_Kong](#): > > He his. He’s talked about the role in interviews. It’s all just tits and dragons to him, though. ---
**Author:** ![Sterling\_Archer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f1d935/32.png) [@Sterling\_Archer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sterling_Archer)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2016, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-6-open-show-book-discussion-thread-spoilers/753058/129 "2016-05-09T22:01:11Z")
Smalljon and Greatjon Umber were both killed at the Red Wedding. Not sure about the show, but in the book, Smalljon even threw a table down in a last ditch effort to shield Robb from the crossbows. I assumed the guy meeting with Ramsey was another brother – SmallerJon perhaps? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2016, 10:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-6-open-show-book-discussion-thread-spoilers/753058/130 "2016-05-09T22:05:42Z")
> [@Sterling\_Archer](#): > > Smalljon and Greatjon Umber were both killed at the Red Wedding. Not sure about the show, but in the book, Smalljon even threw a table down in a last ditch effort to shield Robb from the crossbows. > > I assumed the guy meeting with Ramsey was another brother – SmallerJon perhaps? In the books, Greatjon was captured and Smalljon was killed. In the show, Greatjon died of natural causes and we saw the Smalljon in the latest episode. ---
**Author:** ![magnusblitz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b4bc9f/32.png) [@magnusblitz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magnusblitz)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2016, 11:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-6-open-show-book-discussion-thread-spoilers/753058/131 "2016-05-09T23:44:10Z")
> [@Sterling\_Archer](#): > > I was a little annoyed Ned wasn’t fighting with his greatsword Ice in the tower of joy scene. Not to mention the great-swordsman-fights-with-two-swords silliness. > [@ISiddiqui](#): > > Indeed, not to mention cheapening out on not including Dawn. Though the fight was all sorts of fantastic otherwise. I was actually disappointed all the way around. Why no Gerold Hightower? No white cloaks or Kingsguard armor? The two swords thing was silly (and the whole fight to me looked a lot like the “swing at their swords” mistake that a lot of movies/shows make). Personally, I also kinda always assumed that Reed won through some sort of poison or other trickery, not just stabbing a dude in the back. So that’s a bit of a letdown (though of course the books could fix this). I’m also hoping that perhaps Gerold is up in the actual Tower… maybe the writers thought Ned needed someone to talk to (AKA exposit) in the scene where he actually reaches Lyanna. ---
**Author:** ![magnusblitz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b4bc9f/32.png) [@magnusblitz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magnusblitz)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2016, 11:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-6-open-show-book-discussion-thread-spoilers/753058/132 "2016-05-09T23:47:54Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > The helmets were the same as worn by the Kingsguard we’ve seen before, and they had the Targaryen three-headed-dragon crest on their breastplates (appropriate, since their liege would be Mad King Aerys), but no white cloaks. The helmets match (though they look oddly beaten up for some reason), but the Targ armor doesn’t ring true for me… the current-day Kingsguard all have a crown logo on their breastplates, not a stag or stag/lion or anything like that. They’re also much more gold, versus the silvery Targ ones. That, plus the lack of white capes, makes it look like the guys defending the Tower of Joy are just Targaryen bannermen, not Kingsguard. ---
**Author:** ![Biggirl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biggirl/32/3294_2.png) [@Biggirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biggirl)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2016, 11:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-6-open-show-book-discussion-thread-spoilers/753058/133 "2016-05-09T23:58:38Z")
I totally disagree about the two swords being silly. That was a well choreographed fight were I believed one man could beat six-- without that stupid ‘attack one at a time’ crap. I don’t think that would have been possible or believable with one sword. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2016, 12:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-6-open-show-book-discussion-thread-spoilers/753058/134 "2016-05-10T00:02:23Z")
Yeah, whoever they got to the choreography for that fight needs to be involved in every single fight. ---
**Author:** ![thelurkinghorror](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7c8e57/32.png) [@thelurkinghorror](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thelurkinghorror)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2016, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-6-open-show-book-discussion-thread-spoilers/753058/135 "2016-05-10T00:25:12Z")
> [@ISiddiqui](#): > > I thought McShane was heavily rumored to be Septon Meribald. Thanks, didn’t see that. No official announcement, but it’s like 99%. > [@magnusblitz](#): > > I was actually disappointed all the way around. Why no Gerold Hightower? No white cloaks or Kingsguard armor? The two swords thing was silly (and the whole fight to me looked a lot like the “swing at their swords” mistake that a lot of movies/shows make). > > Personally, I also kinda always assumed that Reed won through some sort of poison or other trickery, not just stabbing a dude in the back. So that’s a bit of a letdown (though of course the books could fix this). I’m also hoping that perhaps Gerold is up in the actual Tower… maybe the writers thought Ned needed someone to talk to (AKA exposit) in the scene where he actually reaches Lyanna. [Supposedly he was one of the guys there](http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/Gerold_Hightower), but I don’t recall him being named. ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2016, 12:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-6-open-show-book-discussion-thread-spoilers/753058/136 "2016-05-10T00:50:20Z")
> [@thelurkinghorror](#): > > Thanks, didn’t see that. No official announcement, but it’s like 99%. > > [Supposedly he was one of the guys there](http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/Gerold_Hightower), but I don’t recall him being named. Huh, apparently Season 4 mentioned Oswell Whent at the Tower of Joy. So unless he’s up in the tower there’s a continuity error. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2016, 2:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-6-open-show-book-discussion-thread-spoilers/753058/137 "2016-05-10T02:43:21Z")
> [@Biggirl](#): > > I totally disagree about the two swords being silly. That was a well choreographed fight were I believed one man could beat six-- without that stupid ‘attack one at a time’ crap… Except when Dayne killed (I think it was) the next-to-last guy other than Ned and Howland, and lingered over the throat-cutting for several seconds. That would’ve been the perfect time for either of the two good-guy survivors to dart in and jab him. ---
**Author:** ![mistymage](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mistymage/32/459_2.png) [@mistymage](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mistymage)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2016, 4:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-6-open-show-book-discussion-thread-spoilers/753058/138 "2016-05-10T04:58:46Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > Except when Dayne killed (I think it was) the next-to-last guy other than Ned and Howland, and lingered over the throat-cutting for several seconds. That would’ve been the perfect time for either of the two good-guy survivors to dart in and jab him. They would have had to do it from the front and then he would have lifted one of his swords and then we would have had another 10 minutes of sword-play. Jabbing him from the side or back “isn’t done” with those who follow knightly things. :rolleyes: I’m glad the show is mostly up to date with the books so I can stop going “but that wasn’t in the books/by the books/not in the books” and can watch the show for itself. But I still want to read what the books will be. My imagination is strong. ---
**Author:** ![clairobscur](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/839c29/32.png) [@clairobscur](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/clairobscur)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2016, 9:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-6-open-show-book-discussion-thread-spoilers/753058/139 "2016-05-10T09:55:27Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > Yeah, whoever they got to the choreography for that fight needs to be involved in every single fight. I’m pretty sure there’s a featurette about this guy on the the official Game of thrones youtube channel. ---
**Author:** ![Algernon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a183cd/32.png) [@Algernon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Algernon)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2016, 1:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-6-open-show-book-discussion-thread-spoilers/753058/140 "2016-05-10T13:53:15Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > Yeah, whoever they got to the choreography for that fight needs to be involved in every single fight. Especially if the Sand Snakes appear in a future fight. Though I secretly hope the entire Dorne subplot would simply and quietly disappear with no further mention. Well, not so secretly I guess. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-6-open-show-book-discussion-thread-spoilers/753058.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-6-open-show-book-discussion-thread-spoilers/753058.md?page=8)