# Game of Thrones season 8 open show/book discussion thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [April 14, 2019, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-8-open-show-book-discussion-thread/832543 "2019-04-14T18:44:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Emiliana](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f0a364/32.png) [@Emiliana](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Emiliana)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2019, 11:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-8-open-show-book-discussion-thread/832543/61 "2019-04-17T23:37:36Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > I think show Dany is resistant to fire, but has the capability under rare circumstances to use fire/death magic, and exchange death by fire (of others) for temporary special powers – hatching dragon eggs, surviving flames, etc. We’ve only seen her survive flames at times in which she deliberately “sacrificed” others to the fire. In the first season, she picks up a dragon egg that has been sitting in the fire and isn’t burned, in contrast to the servant who grabs the egg from her and gets blistered hands. Not quite “surviving flames” but more than a hot bath. I like your idea overall, though. Really significant flame-related magic requires human sacrifice. ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2019, 1:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-8-open-show-book-discussion-thread/832543/62 "2019-04-18T01:25:57Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > Is the undead dragon shooting fire? It seems to me to be some sort of magical undead opposite to fire. I could easily fanwank that Daeneris’s immunity to fire might actually make her extra susceptible to whatever it is the undead dragon is spewing, I figured the same at first, but if it had cold/ice breath like a white dragon, it wouldn’t have brought down the wall. ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2019, 2:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-8-open-show-book-discussion-thread/832543/63 "2019-04-18T02:00:45Z")
I don’t know that magical dragon breath has to follow those rules. What does it take to bring down the wall? It was warded by magic, maybe it takes magic breath to bring it down. If they just wanted to show it being bog-standard dragon fire, they could have just used the same color. Okay, actually I looked up ‘dragon fire’ in the GoT Wiki, and it turns out that every dragon has its own color, with some dragons actually having black ‘dragon fire’, or red tinged with green, or whatever. So I guess an undead dragon can have blue fire and still be normal dragon fire. ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2019, 3:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-8-open-show-book-discussion-thread/832543/64 "2019-04-18T03:50:36Z")
> [@EllisDee](#): > > You make a compelling case in terms of the books. By contrast, the show has shown her having complete immunity to heat and fire in a half a dozen scenes, and one of her names is the “Unburnt.” > > In the show, she’s clearly immune to fire. If ever they represent her as being in danger from fire, they will need to provide some kind of on-screen explanation before or after it. > > EDIT: I would not go so far as to say that she’s immune to dragon fire, though. I could see the undead dragon cooking her, but I could also see her surviving such a thing. Yeah, I never said she wasn’t fireproof in the show because she is obviously fireproof in the show. She has the same nickname in the books, btw. I think surviving a pyre once is enough for that to stick, don’t need the repeat performance in Vaes Dothrak. ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2019, 10:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-8-open-show-book-discussion-thread/832543/65 "2019-04-18T10:46:24Z")
> [@Snarky\_Kong](#): > > She has the same nickname in the books, btw. I think surviving a pyre once is enough for that to stick, don’t need the repeat performance in Vaes Dothrak. Ha! I have to give you that one. Jesus walked on water! Yeah, but only once… EDIT: Reading back over our posts on this tangent, is the only time Dani has been burnt in the books when she gets hit in the face with dragon fire? If so, I wouldn’t say that’s clear evidence that she isn’t fireproof. GRRM saying so is proof, of course. But if he hadn’t said anything, if that was the only time it happened, I could see dragon fire being supernatural and thus hurting someone who is immune to normal human fire. ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2019, 11:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-8-open-show-book-discussion-thread/832543/66 "2019-04-18T11:31:52Z")
> [@EllisDee](#): > > EDIT: Reading back over our posts on this tangent, is the only time Dani has been burnt in the books when she gets hit in the face with dragon fire? If so, I wouldn’t say that’s clear evidence that she isn’t fireproof. GRRM saying so is proof, of course. But if he hadn’t said anything, if that was the only time it happened, I could see dragon fire being supernatural and thus hurting someone who is immune to normal human fire. She wasn’t hit in the face though. She was in the arena with Drogon while he was roasting people, and she was close enough for her hair to be burned. If she was engulfed in dragon fire and survived I’d probably have a different opinion on the matter. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2019, 11:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-8-open-show-book-discussion-thread/832543/67 "2019-04-21T23:15:50Z")
[8.02 thread](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=874396) ---
**Author:** ![DrCube](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a3d4f5/32.png) [@DrCube](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrCube)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2019, 8:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-8-open-show-book-discussion-thread/832543/68 "2019-04-24T20:33:01Z")
So in the show thread, we’re running up against a few facts people remember, that whoops, actually come from the books, not the show. Specifically, the term “greenseer” was used, and the fact that Baratheons are vaguely related to the Targaryens somehow. Now I’m almost certain the latter fact was mentioned back in the beginning, as part of the reason Ned didn’t become king after the rebellion and Robert did. And I thought Jojen mentioned he was a greenseer way back when. But having read the books, I could be getting them confused with the show. I tried to check on the GoT wiki (as opposed to the ASoIaF wiki), and unfortunately there was a lot of book-only info on there, and many of the non-book sources were things like special features from the DVDs, and I’m not sure if they’re strictly cannon for the purposes of the show-only thread. Does anybody know of a way to verify if a piece of info is from the show or the books or elsewhere? A quick google didn’t turn up any searchable databases of GoT scripts or anything. It sure would be nice to type “greenseer” in and either come up with a hit – “It was used back in season 3 episode 6 by whomever” – or not come up with a hit and know the info wasn’t from the show. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2019, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-8-open-show-book-discussion-thread/832543/69 "2019-04-24T20:42:38Z")
> [@DrCube](#): > > I tried to check on the GoT wiki (as opposed to the ASoIaF wiki), and unfortunately there was a lot of book-only info on there, and many of the non-book sources were things like special features from the DVDs, and I’m not sure if they’re strictly cannon for the purposes of the show-only thread. I have the same problem with that Wiki. While they have a separate section on “In the books,” there’s info in the main accounts that’s not from the show, especially background information. I’ve never read the books, but I know from the Wiki that Robert has a claim to the throne through Targaryen ancestry. I can’t remember that ever being mentioned in the show, although it might have been. ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2019, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-8-open-show-book-discussion-thread/832543/70 "2019-04-24T20:44:41Z")
Not sure about a book vs show database, but I’m pretty sure that Baratheons and Targaryens having a marriage back in the day was not in the show. Less sure about Jojen mentioning greenseers. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2019, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-8-open-show-book-discussion-thread/832543/71 "2019-04-24T20:51:42Z")
It’s VERY hard to keep shit straight at this point. Haven’t read the books since before the last book came out and the show is going on ten years now. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2019, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-8-open-show-book-discussion-thread/832543/72 "2019-04-24T21:12:02Z")
> [@Snarky\_Kong](#): > > Less sure about Jojen mentioning greenseers. I found a clip where Jojen is explaining to Bran about having “the Sight.” But he didn’t call it greensight or mention greenseers. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2019, 9:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-8-open-show-book-discussion-thread/832543/73 "2019-04-24T21:26:07Z")
Robert Baratheon having a claim due to Targaryen ancestry is never mentioned in the show. Jaime even points out that Ned could’ve had the Iron Throne off he wanted it. Succession isn’t mentioned as a factor. I’m about 70% sure the word greenseer is never used in the show. Jojen refers to “the sight” a few times. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2019, 10:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-8-open-show-book-discussion-thread/832543/74 "2019-04-25T22:44:47Z")
Please stop groping Daniel Portman (Podrick Payne): ['Game Of Thrones' Star Daniel Portman Says 'So Many' Podrick Fans Have Groped Him | HuffPost Entertainment](https://www.huffpost.com/entry/game-of-thrones-daniel-portman-podrick-fans-grope-him_n_5cc1c069e4b0ad77ff80e786) ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2019, 3:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-8-open-show-book-discussion-thread/832543/75 "2019-04-29T03:29:45Z")
Well, I don’t think that “nobody dies and they win just by stabbing the Night King” was much of a popular fan theory. Hm. ---
**Author:** ![ISiddiqui](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/97f17d/32.png) [@ISiddiqui](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ISiddiqui)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2019, 4:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-8-open-show-book-discussion-thread/832543/76 "2019-04-29T04:58:17Z")
> [@Snarky\_Kong](#): > > Well, I don’t think that “nobody dies and they win just by stabbing the Night King” was much of a popular fan theory. Hm. LOL Yeah, seems very un-Martinesque. So who was the Prince that was Promised? I guess it can be either Arya for killing the Night King, or Jon or Dany under the theory that Arya would never have been in the position to do so if Jon and Dany hadn’t led or fought as they did. ---
**Author:** ![ISiddiqui](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/97f17d/32.png) [@ISiddiqui](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ISiddiqui)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2019, 5:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-8-open-show-book-discussion-thread/832543/77 "2019-04-29T05:22:13Z")
**Colibri** , from our discussion in the show thread, here is Melissandre speaking to Stannis in Storm of Swords, Ch. 63, Davos 6: > [@](#): > > You are he who must stand against the Other. The one whose coming was prophesied five thousand years ago. The red comet was your herald. You are the prince that was promised, and if you fail the world fails with you. I think it indicates that Melissandre came over to Westeros not because she had this notion of Stannis on the Iron Throne, but because she felt Stannis would be the one to defeat the darkness and the “the Other”. The Prince That Was Promised is to push back the darkness and defend the world of light. Therefore, when the Other was defeated, her purpose in still living was over and, hence, decided to die - well I guess she prophecied she would before the dawn. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2019, 5:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-8-open-show-book-discussion-thread/832543/78 "2019-04-29T05:38:07Z")
> [@ISiddiqui](#): > > **Colibri** , from our discussion in the show thread, here is Melissandre speaking to Stannis in Storm of Swords, Ch. 63, Davos 6: > > I think it indicates that Melissandre came over to Westeros not because she had this notion of Stannis on the Iron Throne, but because she felt Stannis would be the one to defeat the darkness and the “the Other”. The Prince That Was Promised is to push back the darkness and defend the world of light. Therefore, when the Other was defeated, her purpose in still living was over and, hence, decided to die - well I guess she prophecied she would before the dawn. “The Great Other” is a god, the antithesis to the Lord of Light. The Night King is very powerful, but he’s by no means a god. I’m not at all convinced. ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2019, 5:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-8-open-show-book-discussion-thread/832543/79 "2019-04-29T05:41:58Z")
So… Was Melisandre the Lightbringer? ---
**Author:** ![magnusblitz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b4bc9f/32.png) [@magnusblitz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magnusblitz)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2019, 5:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-8-open-show-book-discussion-thread/832543/80 "2019-04-29T05:49:07Z")
> [@Snarky\_Kong](#): > > Well, I don’t think that “nobody dies and they win just by stabbing the Night King” was much of a popular fan theory. Hm. We’ll probably never get the book but I 100% refuse to believe that’s how it (would) go down. Talk about anti-climatic. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-8-open-show-book-discussion-thread/832543.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-season-8-open-show-book-discussion-thread/832543.md?page=5)