# Game of Thrones: Speculate of Season 7 \[spoilers for Season 6 allowed\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [July 5, 2016, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-speculate-of-season-7-spoilers-for-season-6-allowed/759147 "2016-07-05T17:45:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![TroutMan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/troutman/32/6721_2.png) [@TroutMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TroutMan)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2016, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-speculate-of-season-7-spoilers-for-season-6-allowed/759147/41 "2016-07-06T18:29:40Z")
AccuWeather is predicting some pretty [harsh conditions](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3FcX_00UxVY) in Season 7. **R** ain + **L** ow pressure = **J** et stream. ---
**Author:** ![Rigamarole](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/77aa72/32.png) [@Rigamarole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rigamarole)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2016, 6:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-speculate-of-season-7-spoilers-for-season-6-allowed/759147/42 "2016-07-06T18:46:00Z")
Ugh, they just announced [season 7 will be pushed back](http://www.nme.com/filmandtv/news/-game-of-thrones-season-seven-has-been-delayed/411403), and will start airing in “later 2017” rather than April. And only 7 episodes to boot. Guess D&D are getting Martinitis. Fuck them. ---
**Author:** ![Peremensoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ce7236/32.png) [@Peremensoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peremensoe)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2016, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-speculate-of-season-7-spoilers-for-season-6-allowed/759147/43 "2016-07-06T18:47:18Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > As far as I can recall, the TV show hasn’t indicated that silver hair is a dominant trait for Targaryens over any other hair color. I think it has. All four depicted Targaryens have had the silver hair. References to the appearances of other Targaryens have been consistent, as when Olenna described her youth, when “marrying a Targaryen was all the rage,” but she did not care for their “ludicrous silver hair.” Lannisters and Baratheons (but not other houses) have been similarly recognized as having consistent hair, apparently always transmitted through the male line. > [@Colibri](#): > > It’s been stated that Cersei’s stillborn child by Robert had dark hair like its father, rather than being blond like the Lannisters. Exactly… if we believe Cersei’s story; some think that child never existed. But yes, Baratheons are “black” (dark) of hair. If you were thinking of Orys Baratheon maybe being a long-ago Targaryen offspring, I don’t think the show has addressed that. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2016, 6:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-speculate-of-season-7-spoilers-for-season-6-allowed/759147/44 "2016-07-06T18:56:30Z")
> [@Sir\_T-Cups](#): > > Nope, not kidding. I believe she was a one (well, two) off character who just happened to get noticed because of good casting/acting/her age etc. > > Like I said, any expanded role of hers will be a reaction to her acceptance and not something originally planned. It isn’t necessarily a bad thing if that does happen because it happens a lot in TV, I’m just standing pat that it won’t be planned that way. That is not what you said. You said the “internet” and “feminists/Buzzfeed/millennials” went crazy over her not that the audience in general did because of “good casting/acting/her age.” Your two posts have drastically different points of view. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2016, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-speculate-of-season-7-spoilers-for-season-6-allowed/759147/45 "2016-07-06T19:43:07Z")
> [@Peremensoe](#): > > I think it has. All four depicted Targaryens have had the silver hair. References to the appearances of other Targaryens have been consistent, as when Olenna described her youth, when “marrying a Targaryen was all the rage,” but she did not care for their “ludicrous silver hair.” None of them depicted the offspring of a marriage with a dark-haired partner. As I said, we have not actually seen what Rhaegar and Elia Martell’s children looked like, nor have we been told what their hair color was. Rhaegar, Viserys, and Daenerys are all the product of incest, Aerys’ wife being his sister Rhaella. > [@](#): > > Lannisters and Baratheons (but not other houses) have been similarly recognized as having consistent hair, apparently always transmitted through the male line. If this were generally recognized, then Cersei’s blonde children should have aroused suspicion long before Jon Arryn and Ned Stark figured it out. Apparently no one thought it at all amiss that dark-haired Robert produced blonde children with Cersei until more than a decade after Joffrey’s birth. We really don’t have enough information to assume that the offspring of a Targaryen and a dark-haired person would necessarily have silver hair. We especially lack evidence that people would think that dark hair would preclude being a Targaryen. Certain hair colors may run in families but we don’t know how consistent it is. (All though much was made of the dark hair of the Baratheons, Robert, Stannis, and Renly all had medium brown hair rather than black hair, and [Shireen’s](http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/gameofthrones/images/1/10/Davos_and_Shireen_The_Dance_of_Dragons.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20150604205451) was actually rather light.) ---
**Author:** ![Sir\_T-Cups](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ed655f/32.png) [@Sir\_T-Cups](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sir_T-Cups)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2016, 8:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-speculate-of-season-7-spoilers-for-season-6-allowed/759147/46 "2016-07-06T20:47:25Z")
> [@Loach](#): > > That is not what you said. You said the “internet” and “feminists/Buzzfeed/millennials” went crazy over her not that the audience in general did because of “good casting/acting/her age.” Your two posts have drastically different points of view. Right. The things I listed in the second post are what made the people in the first post freak out about her. Everything except the fact that she acted really well. That’s just her being a kickass actor. But my point was that the internet/Buzzfeed/Millennials/feminists are talking about her because shes a young female queen of some sort. It’s not a bad thing. I’m not complaining or saying it’s not entirely warranted. But if the character was a boy, he would have literally not been noticed or given a second thought. She’s getting attention because the writers and/or showrunners decided that the young ruler should be a girl, they cast a great girl in the role, and now she’s the talk-of-the-town. ---
**Author:** ![wintertime](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/c68b51/32.png) [@wintertime](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wintertime)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2016, 9:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-speculate-of-season-7-spoilers-for-season-6-allowed/759147/47 "2016-07-06T21:01:26Z")
> [@Riemann](#): > > What’s going to happen with the dragons? I’ve speculated in another thread that wargs could be used against them, though I doubt the success. A couple of hundred years ago, the greater North (including the Ironborn) did not find a way to neutralize the dragons, and they likely knew more about Wargs back then - when magic was more present - than nowadays. However, no one might have had a Greenseer/Warg-Master on their side. > [@GargoyleWB](#): > > The final seasons also have to cram in a clips episode, a Cops or CSI parody episode, a ‘man on the streets sideline perspective’ episode, a ‘very special’ episode about drug abuse, a guest-directed Tarantino episode with lots of sunglasses and strutting to funk minstrels, and a vanity-project musician cameo in a dramatic role to drum up concurrently-released album (such as Ariana Grande as a 4th Sand Snake). What are you still doing here? Go to your job interview with D & D. 😃 > [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > - Sansa can be Lady of Winterfell while Jon is the King of the North. Lyanna Mormont is head of her clan, so there’s no reason why Sansa can’t be head of the Stark clan and heir to Winterfell. After all, Jon still is a bastard. He may be King, but there are still rules of inheritance and birthright that are followed pretty strictly in the North. I mostly agree with you, but the northern rules could be tricky for Sansa: King in the North or King of Winter is the old Stark title that proclaims their entitlement to rule over the entire north and all its Houses. It’s quite possible that you cannot be considered King in (of) the North and not a Stark - and those kings were also the Lords of Winterfell and the Heads of their Houses; unless exceptions are known (I couldn’t find any - but the show can do as it pleases), the proclamation as well as millenia-old customs and tradition might have made Jon a Stark already and everything else, even when Bran resurfaced. _If_ those titles are interlocked, Sansa might still be the Lady of Winterfell (since she is the oldest surviving Stark female), but only as long as Jon isn’t married - unless customs allow Jon to bestow that title upon Sansa permanently … which could/should also make her Queen in the North when Jon dies. Littlefinger would love that. ---
**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2016, 12:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-speculate-of-season-7-spoilers-for-season-6-allowed/759147/48 "2016-07-07T00:43:53Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > never mind, remembered Dorne. Although Doran had already sired an heir. Which is a very important point. We don’t know how complete Brann’s paralysis is; if he can’t father a child there isn’t really much point in trying to assert himself as Lord of Winterfell since Sansa (& her children) would eventually inherit anyway. In any event I don’t think Brann’s interested in claiming Winterfell anyway so it’s a moot point. ---
**Author:** ![treis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bc79bd/32.png) [@treis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/treis)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2016, 12:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-speculate-of-season-7-spoilers-for-season-6-allowed/759147/49 "2016-07-07T00:58:47Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > - What’s Littlefinger going to do? His path to the Iron Throne is looking awfully shaky right now. Actually, it’s rather clear. Marry Cersei and become King. Lannisters + Riverlands + Vale should be the strongest combined force and they would control the center of Westeros. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2016, 1:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-speculate-of-season-7-spoilers-for-season-6-allowed/759147/50 "2016-07-07T01:25:39Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > The only way Cersei doesn’t collapse within a few episodes that I can see is if she marries Euron Greyjoy, presenting somewhat of a strong “central Westeros” region in between Dany (who presumably will start from the South – Dorne and the Reach) and the North. > [@treis](#): > > Actually, it’s rather clear. Marry Cersei and become King. Lannisters + Riverlands + Vale should be the strongest combined force and they would control the center of Westeros. The problem with any scenario that involves marrying Cersei is that Cersei would never agree to it no matter how desperate she was. Even when Tywin was alive, she adamantly refused marriage to Loras even though the Lannisters needed the alliance with the Tyrells. And then Cersei destroyed the Tyrells even though they were the only allies she had left. Now that she’s a ruling Queen, it’s unimaginable that she would subject herself to another man. She would rather die (and she probably will). ---
**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2016, 2:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-speculate-of-season-7-spoilers-for-season-6-allowed/759147/51 "2016-07-07T02:35:20Z")
True, I just can’t see Cersei remarrying (or _anyone_ wanting to risk marrying her). Unless of course it’s quickie wedding _to Jaime_ when the dragons are firebombing the Red Keep (ala the Hitler-Braun affair), but even then I don’t really see him going along with that. ---
**Author:** ![Mighty\_Girl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7bcc69/32.png) [@Mighty\_Girl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mighty_Girl)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2016, 4:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-speculate-of-season-7-spoilers-for-season-6-allowed/759147/52 "2016-07-07T04:11:52Z")
> [@Peremensoe](#): > > Exactly… if we believe Cersei’s story; some think that child never existed. But yes, Baratheons are “black” (dark) of hair. > > If you were thinking of Orys Baratheon maybe being a long-ago Targaryen offspring, I don’t think the show has addressed that. My theory is that the baby did exist, and she killed him because it was Robert’s. ---
**Author:** ![Half\_Man\_Half\_Wit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/half_man_half_wit/32/21766_2.png) [@Half\_Man\_Half\_Wit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Half_Man_Half_Wit)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2016, 6:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-speculate-of-season-7-spoilers-for-season-6-allowed/759147/53 "2016-07-07T06:00:38Z")
A couple of ways I could see the story develop (FWIW): [ul] [li]I agree that Cersei’s probably not long for this world; but I don’t think it’ll be Jaime that kills her. Rather, I think his ultimate failure will be to be unable to bring himself to stop her when she decides to put the Mad King’s wildfire caches to use. I don’t think King’s Landing will end up getting burned down, so somebody (Arya?) will stop her, but I think losing the one thing that Jaime has to prop up his honor—saving the citizens of King’s Landing—would be a fitting conclusion to his tragic arc.[/li][li]I fear that Tyrion may not be long for this world, either. He’s twice now made a speech that typically presages a character’s death—the one with Missandei and Grey Worm where he basically says he wants to retire somewhere nice, and the one where he pledges himself to Danaerys, showing his true heart through his usual cynicism. It would be fitting dramatic irony to have him die, possibly via heroic sacrifice (maybe he’s the one to stop Cersei, then facing the wrath of his brother?).[/li][li]Tyrion’s death leaves Danaerys without a much needed advisor. We’ve seen time and again that she desperately needs good advisors beside her to keep her more extreme impulses in check, most recently with Tyrion suggesting an ‘alternative approach’ to returning the slavers’ cities to the dust. If that falls away, and she loses something dear to her—such as a dragon or two—I can see her entering full-on vengeance mode, burning cities and all.[/li][li]I don’t think, ultimately, that ‘fire’ is the side of the good in Game of Thrones. Remember, it’s originally titled ‘A Song of Ice and Fire’, and it’s only a song if both sides are in harmony; thus, a victory of fire over ice might be just as desastrous as the other way around. I mean, it’d sorta fit with the idea of their world being between the extremes of summer and winter—like a planet that must remain within the habitable zone, coming neither too close to its parent star, nor veering too far away. Too much heat is as bad as too little of it.[/li][li]Thus, I don’t think Jon et al will join up with Danaerys; rather, they will remain a third force between the extremes, trying to restore the balance. (Of course, ‘balance’ is an as well-worn trope as the chosen one succeeding, and it might be that we’re—possibly through Littlefinger’s actions—are going to see a permanent upsetting of the balance instead.)[/li][li]There will be a big reunion between the Hound, Arya, the Red Woman and the Brotherhood without Banners—after all, Melisandre has predicted that she and Arya would meet again, and it’d be a logical way for her to go, towards the only other red priest in Westeros (that we know of, anyhow). [/li][li]The wall will fall—I mean, physially come down.[/li][/ul] So, now you know what’s probably _not_ gonna happen on the show, given my track record. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2016, 6:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-speculate-of-season-7-spoilers-for-season-6-allowed/759147/54 "2016-07-07T06:18:18Z")
> [@Loach](#): > > He didn’t think he should be king because he knows his sister would be better. …because she has more balls than he does 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Half\_Man\_Half\_Wit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/half_man_half_wit/32/21766_2.png) [@Half\_Man\_Half\_Wit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Half_Man_Half_Wit)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2016, 6:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-speculate-of-season-7-spoilers-for-season-6-allowed/759147/55 "2016-07-07T06:20:58Z")
One thing I’ve forgotten—I think we might see betrayal in Dany’s ranks, due to the Dornish: after all, they’ve shown themselves to be literal backstabbers, plus, they’re the only ones to know how to kill a dragon, as far as we’ve been told. Also, how did Ellaria and the sand snakes end up in power in Dorne anyway? After all they’re all bastards, so their claim is merely from murdering the prince. ---
**Author:** ![Rigamarole](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/77aa72/32.png) [@Rigamarole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rigamarole)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2016, 6:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-speculate-of-season-7-spoilers-for-season-6-allowed/759147/56 "2016-07-07T06:22:30Z")
> [@Half\_Man\_Half\_Wit](#): > > Also, how did Ellaria and the sand snakes end up in power in Dorne anyway? After all they’re all bastards, so their claim is merely from murdering the prince. Murdering everyone in power is a good way to take it for yourself, as we’ve just seen with Cersei. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2016, 6:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-speculate-of-season-7-spoilers-for-season-6-allowed/759147/57 "2016-07-07T06:26:17Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > If this were generally recognized, then Cersei’s blonde children should have aroused suspicion long before Jon Arryn and Ned Stark figured it out. Apparently no one thought it at all amiss that dark-haired Robert produced blonde children with Cersei until more than a decade after Joffrey’s birth. Wasn’t Jon Arryn checking that _all_ Robert’s bastards, like Gendry, were black-haired (even when the mom wasn’t, I assume) one of the initial confirmations for his investigation after first getting the clue from that Baratheon genealogy book? ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2016, 6:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-speculate-of-season-7-spoilers-for-season-6-allowed/759147/58 "2016-07-07T06:29:21Z")
> [@Half\_Man\_Half\_Wit](#): > > Also, how did Ellaria and the sand snakes end up in power in Dorne anyway? After all they’re all bastards, so their claim is merely from murdering the prince. It’s pretty clear the Dornish are openly … unconventional with relationships. I don’t see why that wouldn’t extend to inheritance matters. But that’s just my take on it. ---
**Author:** ![Half\_Man\_Half\_Wit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/half_man_half_wit/32/21766_2.png) [@Half\_Man\_Half\_Wit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Half_Man_Half_Wit)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2016, 7:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-speculate-of-season-7-spoilers-for-season-6-allowed/759147/59 "2016-07-07T07:15:02Z")
> [@Rigamarole](#): > > Murdering everyone in power is a good way to take it for yourself, as we’ve just seen with Cersei. Obtaining power that way, surely; but everyone’s predicting Cersei will have a hard time of defending it, while there seems to be less of an issue with the Sand’s rule of Dorne. ---
**Author:** ![Half\_Man\_Half\_Wit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/half_man_half_wit/32/21766_2.png) [@Half\_Man\_Half\_Wit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Half_Man_Half_Wit)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2016, 7:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-speculate-of-season-7-spoilers-for-season-6-allowed/759147/60 "2016-07-07T07:17:18Z")
And besides, Cersei didn’t murder the one (at least nominally) in power, i.e. Tommen, and she’s his last living relation as far as I know. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-speculate-of-season-7-spoilers-for-season-6-allowed/759147.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-speculate-of-season-7-spoilers-for-season-6-allowed/759147.md?page=4)