# Game of Thrones, The Kingsroad, 4/24/11 **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [April 24, 2011, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-the-kingsroad-4-24-11/579563 "2011-04-24T16:27:39Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2011, 9:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-the-kingsroad-4-24-11/579563/81 "2011-04-25T21:43:46Z")
I’ll just leave this here. [http://ewtvrecaps.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/tyrion\_250\_1303738859.gif](http://ewtvrecaps.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/tyrion_250_1303738859.gif) (no spoiler, don’t worry) ---
**Author:** ![G0sp3l](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/c68b51/32.png) [@G0sp3l](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/G0sp3l)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2011, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-the-kingsroad-4-24-11/579563/82 "2011-04-25T21:52:56Z")
> [@Snarky\_Kong](#): > > I’ll just leave this here. > > [http://ewtvrecaps.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/tyrion\_250\_1303738859.gif](http://ewtvrecaps.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/tyrion_250_1303738859.gif) (no spoiler, don’t worry) Look at the Hound 😃 He is so totally indifferent. Warms my heart 😃 ---
**Author:** ![mr.jp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/48db29/32.png) [@mr.jp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mr.jp)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2011, 9:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-the-kingsroad-4-24-11/579563/83 "2011-04-25T21:56:06Z")
> [@Eleanor\_of\_Aquitaine](#): > > Dany and Drogo’s wedding night was very tender, but for the next few weeks there is no romance. Dany is horribly sore because she isn’t used to riding a horse all day. If you know what I mean… It wasn’t just horse riding that made her sore, also sex. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2011, 10:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-the-kingsroad-4-24-11/579563/84 "2011-04-25T22:04:27Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > The seven kingdoms are well, seven actual kingdoms that were united when the Targaryens conquered them. There is one king but each kingdom has a ruler from the old ancient families that used to be kings. They are The North ruled by the Starks of Winterfell, The Iron Islands ruled by the Greyjoys (their heir lives in Winterfell with the Starks as a hostage), The Westernlands ruled by the Lannisters of Casterly Rock, The Riverlands ruled by the Tullys of Riverrun (Cat was a Tully before marrying Eddard), The Vale of Arryn ruled by the Arryn’s of the Eyrie (Jon Arryn died on the first episode, they are currently ruled by Cat’s sister Liza and her 8 yo boy, she’s the one who sends the message warning the Starks about the Lannisters), The Reach ruled by House Tyrell of Highgarden, The Stormlands ruled by House Baratheon of Storm’s End (Roberts House), and Dorne ruled by House Martell. > > Bastards from the seven kingdoms don’t receive their fathers last name but a generic last name depending from what kingdom they are from. Hence “Jon Snow” from the snowy north. So far we’ve only been exposed to the Starks, Lannisters and Robert Baratheon, but every kingdom plays a larger part as the story goes on. Actually Theon Greyjoy, the heir of the Iron Islands is also in Winterfell so i guess they count too. I don’t think there are any spoilers in this post, if anyone catches something that shouldn’t be here let me know. Hey, thanks! That helps a lot, especially with the correction by **Allesan**. I never would have counted. ---
**Author:** ![flickster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/7bcc69/32.png) [@flickster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/flickster)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2011, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-the-kingsroad-4-24-11/579563/85 "2011-04-25T22:06:48Z")
> [@mr.jp](#): > > If you know what I mean… > > It wasn’t just horse riding that made her sore, also sex. Drogo = hung like horse Dany = Horse riding 24/7 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2011, 10:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-the-kingsroad-4-24-11/579563/86 "2011-04-25T22:20:06Z")
> [@HazelNutCoffee](#): > > I cried at Lady’s execution scene, but in hindsight I felt like they didn’t really show that much of a bond between her and Sansa. I think the show has missed something in not expanding on the bond the kids have with their wolves. Sure they “show” it but you never really get a sense of how central the animals are to their humans. First show it was like, “Oooh…wolf puppies! You each get one!” In the next show it was like one scene walking with her wolf then crying over the wolf’s demise. Even Bran’s rescue by his wolf really felt like a Deus Ex moment (on TV…not in the book). I am disappointed in the show on this count (although enjoying it overall). ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2011, 10:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-the-kingsroad-4-24-11/579563/87 "2011-04-25T22:27:13Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > That’s \*eight \*kingdoms you counted there. > > (the Iron Islands aren’t one of the Seven Kingdoms). You are absolutely right, the mistake lies in that the Riverlands and the Iron Islands used to be one kingdom but since they sided with the wrong side during the conquest they lost most of their land. ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2011, 10:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-the-kingsroad-4-24-11/579563/88 "2011-04-25T22:45:49Z")
Ah, “The Hound” is a person. I was trying to remember a royal dog last night. A stupid question but I’ll ask anyway: Ned calls the mute executioner “a butcher” (saying the wolf deserves better than a butcher). The kid Joffrey attacked was “the butcher’s son”. Was this kid the child of the executioner or just a chance using of the word butcher more than once? (If it _was_ the executioner’s son I’m guessing that will cause some problems.) ---
**Author:** ![Ura-Maru](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/51bf81/32.png) [@Ura-Maru](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ura-Maru)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2011, 10:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-the-kingsroad-4-24-11/579563/89 "2011-04-25T22:54:12Z")
To clairify: The Riverlands had been conquered by the Isles for a (relatively) brief time when the Dragons showed up. The Riverlands are kind of the Poland of Westeros, rich land but not very defensible, surrounded by other regions that are. There’s also King’s Landing and the surrounding area, which isn’t considered one of the Seven Kingdoms either, dispite being pretty large. [Nifty map](http://gameofthrones.net/resources/50-maps-of-westeros/399-map-of-the-political-boundaries.html) Yes, we know it looks like a giant England. Edit: No, it was an actual, non-political butchers son, not the executioner’s. No, it wasn’t a stupid question, either – Of course, since the first Tygarians unified all of Westeros except Dorne, (which has a more complicated history) they did actually conquer seven kingdoms. Just not THE Seven Kingdoms. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2011, 10:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-the-kingsroad-4-24-11/579563/90 "2011-04-25T22:54:55Z")
Ned was using butcher as an insult, in the north they take pride in that the person passing a death sentence carries out the deed. The kid was actually a real butchers son. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2011, 11:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-the-kingsroad-4-24-11/579563/91 "2011-04-25T23:08:52Z")
Was he referred to as “butcher’s son” or “butcher’s boy”? If the latter, it meant he was the butcher’s apprentice, not his necessarily his child. (Not important at all, but he was “boy” in the books, and I was wondering if they changed it) ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2011, 11:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-the-kingsroad-4-24-11/579563/92 "2011-04-25T23:29:17Z")
[QUOTE=Ura-Maru] [Nifty map](http://gameofthrones.net/resources/50-maps-of-westeros/399-map-of-the-political-boundaries.html) Yes, we know it looks like a giant England. [/QUOTE] Where are Khal Drogo’s lands on the map? ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2011, 11:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-the-kingsroad-4-24-11/579563/93 "2011-04-25T23:31:10Z")
> [@Sampiro](#): > > Where are Khal Drogo’s lands on the map? They’re not. They’re off to the east. He’s on a different continent. I’ll see if I can dig up a map. Westeros is supposed to be about the size of South America. For scale. ---
**Author:** ![G0sp3l](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/c68b51/32.png) [@G0sp3l](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/G0sp3l)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2011, 11:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-the-kingsroad-4-24-11/579563/94 "2011-04-25T23:40:12Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > Was he referred to as “butcher’s son” or “butcher’s boy”? If the latter, it meant he was the butcher’s apprentice, not his necessarily his child. > > (Not important at all, but he was “boy” in the books, and I was wondering if they changed it) I think he was both, I seem to recall the butcher being upset when they brought the body in a sack. He thought it was a meat animal. Brutal. ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2011, 11:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-the-kingsroad-4-24-11/579563/95 "2011-04-25T23:57:16Z")
Boxed spoiler requested: Is Jon Snow the black haired son that Cersei said she lost? ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2011, 12:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-the-kingsroad-4-24-11/579563/96 "2011-04-26T00:00:03Z")
> [@Sampiro](#): > > Boxed spoiler requested: > > Is Jon Snow the black haired son that Cersei said she lost? Almost certainly not. He looks _a lot_ like both Ned and Arya, he is without question a Stark. ---
**Author:** ![Simplicio](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c37758/32.png) [@Simplicio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Simplicio)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2011, 12:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-the-kingsroad-4-24-11/579563/97 "2011-04-26T00:11:18Z")
> [@NAF1138](#): > > Almost certainly not. He looks _a lot_ like both Ned and Arya, he is without question a Stark. Timeline doesn’t really work out either. Jon was born during the war, Robert and Cersi were married after it. ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Amazing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@Captain\_Amazing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Amazing)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2011, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-the-kingsroad-4-24-11/579563/98 "2011-04-26T00:25:25Z")
> [@Sampiro](#): > > A stupid question but I’ll ask anyway: Ned calls the mute executioner “a butcher” (saying the wolf deserves better than a butcher). In case you’re curious, the mute executioner is Ilyn Payne, a noble vassal of the Lannisters and the King’s Justice. ---
**Author:** ![HazelNutCoffee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ac91a4/32.png) [@HazelNutCoffee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HazelNutCoffee)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2011, 12:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-the-kingsroad-4-24-11/579563/99 "2011-04-26T00:26:40Z")
> [@G0sp3l](#): > > I think he was both, I seem to recall the butcher being upset when they brought the body in a sack. He thought it was a meat animal. Brutal. On the show? I don’t remember any scene like that. The only scene where we saw the body was when the Hound rode in with it and passed Ned Stark. ---
**Author:** ![tingbudong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tingbudong/32/520_2.png) [@tingbudong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tingbudong)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2011, 1:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-the-kingsroad-4-24-11/579563/100 "2011-04-26T01:21:13Z")
> [@friedo](#): > > Why does the queen hate that one guy who wants to be a knight? > > And is there a list of all the characters somewhere, with pictures? > > I’ve decided that if I can’t get a better handle on WTF is going on by episode 3, I’m giving up. Television shouldn’t require too much effort. > . HBO is running an excellent website (IMHO) in what is probably an effort to address viewer concerns regarding the complexities. [Here are the family trees of the major houses](http://viewers-guide.hbo.com/game-of-thrones/#!/guide/houses/), all linked to one another where appropriate. I suspect that portraits on the tree will fill out as actors/actresses are introduced throughout the series. [The interactive map](http://viewers-guide.hbo.com/game-of-thrones/#!/map/) is well done as well. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-the-kingsroad-4-24-11/579563.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-the-kingsroad-4-24-11/579563.md?page=6)