# Game of Thrones, The Kingsroad, 4/24/11 **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [April 24, 2011, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-the-kingsroad-4-24-11/579563 "2011-04-24T16:27:39Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![tarragon918](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/d26b3c/32.png) [@tarragon918](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tarragon918)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2011, 1:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-the-kingsroad-4-24-11/579563/101 "2011-04-26T01:40:26Z")
Well, I’m still hanging in there and actually enjoying watching the show. My main problem is with the timeline that seems to jump all over the place. It confused me because first it showed Ned going with Robert, then Cat decides she has to go tell Ned something, but then all of a sudden, Ned is back at Winterfell. Huh?! Thanks for all the links and especially the discussion, it has helped a lot to try to understand. I don’t know if I’ll ever pick up the series and read the actual books, but at least I am thinking about it. In the mean time, I’ll enjoy the wild ride of the show during it’s run. ---
**Author:** ![Revenant\_Threshold](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f1d935/32.png) [@Revenant\_Threshold](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revenant_Threshold)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2011, 1:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-the-kingsroad-4-24-11/579563/102 "2011-04-26T01:50:19Z")
> [@Ura-Maru](#): > > There’s also King’s Landing and the surrounding area, which isn’t considered one of the Seven Kingdoms either, dispite being pretty large. King’s Landing and the surrounding area is basically the royal desmesne. Whereas the entire Seven Kingdoms are the King’s (or whoever in power) through the subservience of the various sub-rulers of those lands, King’s Landing is the direct seat of the royal family and under the King’s personal control. It’s basically another of those practices arising from the series being based on medieval British history. **tarragon918** - Ned doesn’t go back to Winterfell after he leaves with Robert. What parts are you thinking of? ---
**Author:** ![Palo\_Verde](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/65b543/32.png) [@Palo\_Verde](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Palo_Verde)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2011, 1:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-the-kingsroad-4-24-11/579563/103 "2011-04-26T01:52:20Z")
Is there any way for a person without HBO to see it? I’m not talking about anything illegal, but is there a pay per episode available? ---
**Author:** ![AuntiePam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f19dbf/32.png) [@AuntiePam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AuntiePam)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2011, 1:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-the-kingsroad-4-24-11/579563/104 "2011-04-26T01:54:35Z")
> [@tarragon918](#): > > Well, I’m still hanging in there and actually enjoying watching the show. My main problem is with the timeline that seems to jump all over the place. It confused me because first it showed Ned going with Robert, then Cat decides she has to go tell Ned something, but then all of a sudden, Ned is back at Winterfell. Huh?! Ned isn’t back at Winterfell – he’s still at King’s Landing at the end of the second episode. There’s nothing much to differentiate the interiors, so it’s easy to get lost, in time and space. Same with the clothes, as mentioned upthread. No wardrobe changes from one day to the next, not in this universe (with the men, anyway). ---
**Author:** ![Kamino\_Neko](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kamino_neko/32/34_2.png) [@Kamino\_Neko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kamino_Neko)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2011, 2:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-the-kingsroad-4-24-11/579563/105 "2011-04-26T02:01:41Z")
I wish the sound were mixed better…it was easier to hear the skin-on-skin noises during Drogo and Dany’s first sex scene than the dialogue through most of the show. And, oddly, despite that, I’ve had no problem following the show at all… I’m kind of wondering if the Greyjoys are related to the Lannisters in some way, since Alfie Allen looks so much more like Peter Dinklage than any of the actors playing Tyrion’s relatives that I’m having a hard time crediting it as accidental casting… ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2011, 2:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-the-kingsroad-4-24-11/579563/106 "2011-04-26T02:14:03Z")
> [@AuntiePam](#): > > Ned isn’t back at Winterfell – he’s still at King’s Landing at the end of the second episode. > > There’s nothing much to differentiate the interiors, so it’s easy to get lost, in time and space. Same with the clothes, as mentioned upthread. No wardrobe changes from one day to the next, not in this universe (with the men, anyway). No, he’s at the inn at the crossroads. The river that the fight takes place at is the Trident. I imagine they make it all the way to King’s Landing next episode. \*\* Palo Verde\*\*, nope. Not that I’m aware of. ---
**Author:** ![Kamino\_Neko](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kamino_neko/32/34_2.png) [@Kamino\_Neko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kamino_Neko)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2011, 2:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-the-kingsroad-4-24-11/579563/107 "2011-04-26T02:17:25Z")
Well…ONE thing I’m having a hard time with… I can’t tell Sansa and Myrcella apart. The men and boys, no problem. Adult women, no issue whatever. Arya? Don’t mistake her for anyone. But the two teenage girls… It was only watching this week’s episode a second time that I realized everyone at the breakfast table were actual Lannisters, and it wasn’t Sansa invited to join them as Joffrey’s betrothed. To be fair, that may be mostly due to the fact that Myrcella’s done nothing of substance so far but express a bit of concern for Bran. ---
**Author:** ![OpalCat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/8edcca/32.png) [@OpalCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OpalCat)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2011, 2:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-the-kingsroad-4-24-11/579563/108 "2011-04-26T02:27:30Z")
The scene where Arya had to chase Nymeria away was longer and sadder in the book, but still poignant here. Lady’s death was heartbreaking. Did they make it obvious enough to non-book-viewers that the butcher’s boy had been killed, not just captured? It’s hard for me to tell since I know the story. Overall I’m liking the show. ---
**Author:** ![OpalCat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/8edcca/32.png) [@OpalCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OpalCat)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2011, 2:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-the-kingsroad-4-24-11/579563/109 "2011-04-26T02:35:27Z")
> [@Drain\_Bead](#): > > Rewatching it now. I think there might be a split-second of the Little Khal during that “Tonight I would look upon your face” scene. There is? At what point? I may have to rewatch that ;D ---
**Author:** ![G0sp3l](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/c68b51/32.png) [@G0sp3l](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/G0sp3l)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2011, 2:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-the-kingsroad-4-24-11/579563/110 "2011-04-26T02:35:49Z")
> [@HazelNutCoffee](#): > > On the show? I don’t remember any scene like that. The only scene where we saw the body was when the Hound rode in with it and passed Ned Stark. No. Sorry I didn’t make that clear. I was referencing the novels. ---
**Author:** ![tarragon918](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/d26b3c/32.png) [@tarragon918](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tarragon918)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2011, 2:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-the-kingsroad-4-24-11/579563/111 "2011-04-26T02:41:42Z")
LOL Okay, see, I’m confused, I tell you! So did the children, save Bran of course, go with Ned and Robert? I was under the impression that the family was all back at Winterfell. I’m with **Opal** , I may have to go back and see if I can catch that glimpse of “Little Khal” 🙂 And ftr, I understood that the butcher’s son had been killed. Too bad about Lady. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2011, 2:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-the-kingsroad-4-24-11/579563/112 "2011-04-26T02:43:48Z")
> [@tarragon918](#): > > LOL Okay, see, I’m confused, I tell you! So did the children, save Bran of course, go with Ned and Robert? I was under the impression that the family was all back at Winterfell. > > I’m with **Opal** , I may have to go back and see if I can catch that glimpse of “Little Khal” 🙂 > > And ftr, I understood that the butcher’s son had been killed. Too bad about Lady. ☹ Sansa and Arya went with Ned. Sansa because she’s engaged to Joffrey and Arya to try to make her more lady like. ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2011, 2:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-the-kingsroad-4-24-11/579563/113 "2011-04-26T02:49:47Z")
> [@Snarky\_Kong](#): > > Sansa and Arya went with Ned. Sansa because she’s engaged to Joffrey and Arya to try to make her more lady like. and to finish the list… Jon went to the Wall to join the Night’s Watch. Robb had to stay behind so that there would still be a Stark at Winterfell - he’s also starting to (as demonstrated in this episode) starting to take up his heir-ly duties and begin to help with the running of the place. Bran is napping. Rickon is at Winterfell following Robb around - clinging to his leg, as he said. And I don’t see how anyone could possibly mix up blonde Myrcella with redhead Sansa. Besides being the same gender and age there’s really no similarities between them. -Joe ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2011, 3:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-the-kingsroad-4-24-11/579563/114 "2011-04-26T03:06:17Z")
> [@brocks](#): > > She’d marry one of the wolves if it made her the future queen. But not because she’s after power. Just because being a queen and marrying a king is the _dreamiest_ thing that could ever happen to a girl. _Sigh_. Some people say she’s sympathetic, some people go with pathetic. -Joe, pathetic ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2011, 3:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-the-kingsroad-4-24-11/579563/115 "2011-04-26T03:10:12Z")
> [@Sampiro](#): > > Boxed spoiler requested: > > Is Jon Snow the black haired son that Cersei said she lost? [Spoiler]No, in the book Cersei basically used something called “moon tea” to cause an abortion when she realized she was pregnant. The “had a son die” was for the sake of the show. Or, come to think of it, was total BS she was feeding Cat since she hadn’t heard it before. [/spoiler] -Joe ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2011, 3:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-the-kingsroad-4-24-11/579563/116 "2011-04-26T03:13:14Z")
> [@Merijeek](#): > > [Spoiler]No, in the book Cersei basically used something called “moon tea” to cause an abortion when she realized she was pregnant. The “had a son die” was for the sake of the show. > > Or, come to think of it, was total BS she was feeding Cat since she hadn’t heard it before. > > [/spoiler] > > -Joe I think you’re flirting with being more spoilery than **Sampiro** was looking for. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2011, 3:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-the-kingsroad-4-24-11/579563/117 "2011-04-26T03:20:27Z")
> [@Snarky\_Kong](#): > > I think you’re flirting with being more spoilery than **Sampiro** was looking for. Yeah, I think so too. ---
**Author:** ![Kylede](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/a6a055/32.png) [@Kylede](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kylede)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2011, 5:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-the-kingsroad-4-24-11/579563/118 "2011-04-26T05:37:14Z")
> [@G0sp3l](#): > > And no detail on Jon and Arya relationship? If they don’t start filling in some of the details I think they are going to lose viewers. If I hadn’t read the books I’d be lost. I like all the actors so far playing the kids, but I think something from the book needs to be stressed here…In the looks department, Jon and Arya are quite clearly Starks…Longer more rectangular faces, and brown flat colored hair. Arya mentions she looks much more like Jon then any other of her siblings, who all take after their mother, round or heart shaped faces (Great job picking the cast for Robb, Sansa, and Bran) and glossy red hair. You can clearly tell the actor playing rob has had red/auburn highlights added, so I don’t understand why they didn’t do this with Bran?? But just one question, have they even mention the name of the character who tell Robb “If it comes to war, I will stand with you” in the godswood?? I mean, I know his name, but has it been mentioned? ---
**Author:** ![AuntiePam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f19dbf/32.png) [@AuntiePam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AuntiePam)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2011, 6:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-the-kingsroad-4-24-11/579563/119 "2011-04-26T06:01:50Z")
> [@Snarky\_Kong](#): > > No, he’s at the inn at the crossroads. The river that the fight takes place at is the Trident. I imagine they make it all the way to King’s Landing next episode. Oops. Dammit. I just re-read the book and I **still** can’t keep things straight. I should just stop trying to answer questions. 🙂 Bran sleeping looks like a very young John Cusack. Cute kid. ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2011, 11:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-the-kingsroad-4-24-11/579563/120 "2011-04-26T11:50:47Z")
> [@](#): > > But just one question, have they even mention the name of the character who tell Robb “If it comes to war, I will stand with you” in the godswood?? I mean, I know his name, but has it been mentioned? Don’t think so, which kind of makes that bit look less like House Greyjoy stands behind Robb and more like ’ one of Robb’s entourage like totally supports him’. For those who don’t know, he was Theon, heir of House Greyjoy, which rules the Iron Islands. The Iron Islanders are kind of like the Vikings, but lees touchy-feely and even less mentally stable. So, Theon being on your side, particularly during an open war, is actually pretty significant. -Joe [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-the-kingsroad-4-24-11/579563.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-the-kingsroad-4-24-11/579563.md?page=7)