# Game of Thrones, The Pointy End, 6/5/11 **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [June 5, 2011, 10:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-the-pointy-end-6-5-11/584450 "2011-06-05T22:35:43Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2011, 2:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-the-pointy-end-6-5-11/584450/81 "2011-06-07T02:26:08Z")
At least we were spared Mirri maz durr rape action. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2011, 2:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-the-pointy-end-6-5-11/584450/82 "2011-06-07T02:35:15Z")
The Dothraki dudes were just pushing those Lamb Women around. Could’ve gotten a lot more graphic than that, if they’d wanted to, before the _kahleesi_ put her pretty little foot down. ---
**Author:** ![Kamino\_Neko](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kamino_neko/32/34_2.png) [@Kamino\_Neko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kamino_Neko)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2011, 2:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-the-pointy-end-6-5-11/584450/83 "2011-06-07T02:40:13Z")
Yeah, the lack of Jason Momoa Full Monty is a disappointment. … Perhaps he’s…not so hung? :eek: And y’all are forgetting Li’l Theon’s brief cameo. ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2011, 2:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-the-pointy-end-6-5-11/584450/84 "2011-06-07T02:52:30Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > Honestly, as far as nit picks go this has got to be one of the silliest ones. Almost the very first words out of that characters mouth are that HE DOESN’T FIGHT LIKE THAT. Right, this was right before he said how he fought with 6 inches of broken wood. If he didn’t have his fake wooden sword which is actually shaped like a broadsword, then he should have fought barehanded because a sword that’s the same style as the practice one he uses but slightly heavier would be worse than lying on the ground with your hands tied. ---
**Author:** ![UncleRojelio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/unclerojelio/32/3160_2.png) [@UncleRojelio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UncleRojelio)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2011, 3:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-the-pointy-end-6-5-11/584450/85 "2011-06-07T03:11:56Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > And he was doing just fine with the stick. A thick, strong, hard stick has been an effective weapon for quite a long time. That’s what she said. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2011, 3:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-the-pointy-end-6-5-11/584450/86 "2011-06-07T03:28:35Z")
I heard someone suggest that Cersei planned Robert’s death, but I can’t buy that any halfway sane person would think that he or she could plan for someone to be gored by a wild boar while hunting. ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2011, 3:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-the-pointy-end-6-5-11/584450/87 "2011-06-07T03:53:29Z")
> [@Acsenray](#): > > I heard someone suggest that Cersei planned Robert’s death, but I can’t buy that any halfway sane person would think that he or she could plan for someone to be gored by a wild boar while hunting. I don’t think planning and ensuring are the same thing. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Captor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f17d59/32.png) [@Evil\_Captor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Captor)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2011, 4:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-the-pointy-end-6-5-11/584450/88 "2011-06-07T04:15:23Z")
> [@Taomist](#): > > I missed the second one \, but you’re totally right! We have wholly nekkid women running around, ALL hot, and we’re supposed to be happy with Hodor? I want my hung-like-a-horselord!!! Speaking as a straight male, I’d like to add some dignity to this discussion by saying: Neener! Neener! Neener! 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Annie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/858c86/32.png) [@Annie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Annie)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2011, 4:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-the-pointy-end-6-5-11/584450/89 "2011-06-07T04:24:44Z")
So what was the narrative purpose of Hod running his chalky white self buck naked through the woods anyhow? HBO have a full frontal minimum to maintain? ---
**Author:** ![Taomist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@Taomist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Taomist)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2011, 4:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-the-pointy-end-6-5-11/584450/90 "2011-06-07T04:32:44Z")
> [@Annie](#): > > So what was the narrative purpose of Hod running his chalky white self buck naked through the woods anyhow? HBO have a full frontal minimum to maintain? Entirely possible. If I tell you that that scene is straight out of the book, is that a spoiler? It definitely wasn’t added, though I imagine some folk are wondering why it wasn’t taken away. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Kamino\_Neko](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kamino_neko/32/34_2.png) [@Kamino\_Neko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kamino_Neko)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2011, 4:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-the-pointy-end-6-5-11/584450/91 "2011-06-07T04:38:00Z")
I’m not complaining about the naked Hodor so much (not like anyone’s clamouring to see me naked, either), but it IS odd, since there was no establishment of his presence or that he was bathing, so it ended up as ‘BAM, random Hodor-cock!’ ---
**Author:** ![Omniscient](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omniscient/32/3290_2.png) [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2011, 5:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-the-pointy-end-6-5-11/584450/92 "2011-06-07T05:24:23Z")
Hodor’s definitely a shower. I fully support this, for every monster tardcock we have to suffer through there will be another long, hot gratuitous lesbian ass fingering tossed in there. That’s a trade off I’m willing to make. > [@DigitalC](#): > > It’s good to see some of the other kingsguard, even if Barristan does not hold them in very high regard. I’m figuring Baristan will end up riding north to aid the Starks. That dude is a hardass and the Lannister’s will regret that. Actually now that I think about it, Barristan is probably going to spring Ned from the clink post haste. > [@voltaire](#): > > BUT… It kind of irked me that he didn’t pick up one of those real swords after downing those men. If he winds up dead because of that, I’m gonna be upset. Still, it was my favorite scene of the episode. He’s so cool, and so badass, please let him stay alive! > > Just say “NOT TODAY” to death, Syrio! I’m betting he’s still alive. The groan and the sound of metal hitting the floor was probably the goldcloak going down. Has this show yet missed an opportunity to have a gratuitous death scene? No way Syrio dies off camera. > [@artemis](#): > > The balance of a rapier is totally different from that of a broadsword, and the fighting styles used with the two weapons are also completely different. I don’t see how picking up a weapon he’s never trained with and doesn’t know how to use properly would have helped Syrio much. Sadly, I think the fellow was destined to be toast as soon as he decided to cover Arya’s escape. But at least he got to go out with style! Syrio is an all-purpose badass. He might be a snob about his weapons but I’m pretty sure he’s capable of sticking the pointy end of any old sword into someones jugular. I suspect the off-camera action was Syrio either disarming the goldcloak and/or scooping up a new weapon and taking it to him. Syrio is obviously awesome. ---
**Author:** ![voltaire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voltaire/32/313_2.png) [@voltaire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/voltaire)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2011, 6:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-the-pointy-end-6-5-11/584450/93 "2011-06-07T06:08:37Z")
> [@Tengu](#): > > I’m not complaining about the naked Hodor so much (not like anyone’s clamouring to see me naked, either), but it IS odd, since there was no establishment of his presence or that he was bathing, so it ended up as ‘BAM, random Hodor-cock!’ There actually was slightly insinuated establishment. When I saw Bran sitting out in the woods by himself, the first thing I wondered was how he got out there. Then the next thing to come to mind was that the big oaf must’ve carried him out there. So when Hodor appeared, I was satisfied to see that my guess was right and they established how Bran got out there. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2011, 7:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-the-pointy-end-6-5-11/584450/94 "2011-06-07T07:48:24Z")
I’d just like to say that “the Monster Tardcocks” would be an awesome name for a band. ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2011, 10:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-the-pointy-end-6-5-11/584450/95 "2011-06-07T10:53:25Z")
> [@Omniscient](#): > > Hodor’s definitely a shower. I fully support this, for every monster tardcock we have to suffer through there will be another long, hot gratuitous lesbian ass fingering tossed in there. That’s a trade off I’m willing to make. > > I’m figuring Baristan will end up riding north to aid the Starks. That dude is a hardass and the Lannister’s will regret that. Actually now that I think about it, Barristan is probably going to spring Ned from the clink post haste. > > I’m betting he’s still alive. The groan and the sound of metal hitting the floor was probably the goldcloak going down. Has this show yet missed an opportunity to have a gratuitous death scene? No way Syrio dies off camera. > > Syrio is an all-purpose badass. He might be a snob about his weapons but I’m pretty sure he’s capable of sticking the pointy end of any old sword into someones jugular. I suspect the off-camera action was Syrio either disarming the goldcloak and/or scooping up a new weapon and taking it to him. Syrio is obviously awesome. Just a nit-pick, the guy Syrio was fighting wasn’t a goldcloak, but a member of the kingsguard. Goldcloaks are the city guard in King’s Landing and the kingsguard are… the guys that guard the king, Jaime and Barristan being the two names ones so far. ---
**Author:** ![fusoya](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ecccb3/32.png) [@fusoya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fusoya)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2011, 10:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-the-pointy-end-6-5-11/584450/96 "2011-06-07T10:55:31Z")
I find it funny that nobody is concerned about Septa’s life/death status, since that was left open to speculation as well. Then again, she wasn’t portrayed nearly as bitchy in the TV adaption. This show was the first time I really got to show off my new Sony Bravia TV. I’m tempted to go back and watch the entire series in beautiful HD glory. The Hodor scene was just to establish that the guy is retarded, and as such hasn’t learned modesty. The same thing happened at my middle school with one of the “special-ed” students, except in the lunchroom. ---
**Author:** ![Biggirl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biggirl/32/3294_2.png) [@Biggirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biggirl)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2011, 11:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-the-pointy-end-6-5-11/584450/97 "2011-06-07T11:02:55Z")
> [@fusoya](#): > > I find it funny that nobody is concerned about Septa’s life/death status, since that was left open to speculation as well. Then again, she wasn’t portrayed nearly as bitchy in the TV adaption. > > This show was the first time I really got to show off my new Sony Bravia TV. I’m tempted to go back and watch the entire series in beautiful HD glory. > > The Hodor scene was just to establish that the guy is retarded, and as such hasn’t learned modesty. The same thing happened at my middle school with one of the “special-ed” students, except in the lunchroom. I figured she was dead. But then, they didn’t kill Sensa so why would they kill Septa? I thought the reason for the Hodor scene was to show off his big pee pee. It seemed obvious to me that he wasn’t quite normal long before. Reminds me of the retarded vulture from Bugs Bunny. “I’ve got me a Bran and I’m gonna love him and squeeze him and call him George.” ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2011, 11:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-the-pointy-end-6-5-11/584450/98 "2011-06-07T11:33:53Z")
Nitpick: “Septa” isn’t her name, it’s her title, and she should thus be referred to as “the Septa”. I don’t remember if her actual name has been mentiond in the series. ---
**Author:** ![gonzoron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a6a055/32.png) [@gonzoron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzoron)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2011, 11:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-the-pointy-end-6-5-11/584450/99 "2011-06-07T11:58:04Z")
(not-so-) Little Hodor’s inclusion did give the opportunity for some development of Osha’s character and a glimpse behind the wall. She was no blushing maid upon seeing him, and the talk about giants was directly prompted by it. (yes, the same talk could have been based on his overall size, clothed, but it was funnier this way.) It does cement Hodor as not-all-there, but I think that was pretty clear from past appearances. When a character only speaks his own name and no other words, that’s a blinking neon sign something’s wrong with him. (see also: TIMMY!) ---
**Author:** ![Bridget\_Burke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7cd45c/32.png) [@Bridget\_Burke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bridget_Burke)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2011, 12:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-the-pointy-end-6-5-11/584450/100 "2011-06-07T12:04:26Z")
> [@Acsenray](#): > > I’m a little confused. I thought that when Ned resigned from the Handship, he immediately packed the girls off to Winterfell, and only after that was he attacked by Jaime and forced to unresign. So what were they still doing in King’s Landing? They were getting all packed up & ready to go when Littlefinger told Ned he really, really ought to take a minute to interview the mother of Robert’s latest bastard. Who just happened to live in one of his bordellos. Gosh, who would have expected that Jaime would happen to drop by? Later, we saw Arya find Needle in one of the packed trunks. The move North had been stopped when Ned was arrested… [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-the-pointy-end-6-5-11/584450.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-the-pointy-end-6-5-11/584450.md?page=6)