# Game of Thrones, The Wolf and the Lion, 5/15/11 **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [May 15, 2011, 11:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-the-wolf-and-the-lion-5-15-11/582039 "2011-05-15T23:59:16Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 9\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![Feyrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/fbc32d/32.png) [@Feyrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Feyrat)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2011, 4:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-the-wolf-and-the-lion-5-15-11/582039/201 "2011-05-22T04:30:07Z")
> [@Declan](#): > > Two things > > One would each of the principalities have a standing force, or do they simply keep enough for cadre and city watch and leave the rest to militia call ups. > > Second, the opening credits with the clockwork cities, there is always this one tree in winterfell, I believe, is there any significance to this. > > Declan Actually, they DO show the tree. Ned Stark is sitting under it cleaning his sword after he beheads the deserter from the Night’s Watch, before the King arrives. That’s why you see it in the opening credits. ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2011, 4:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-the-wolf-and-the-lion-5-15-11/582039/202 "2011-05-22T04:52:50Z")
In case anyone is interested, [I started a thread in ATMB](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=13828013#post13828013) about rules about the use of spoiler boxes and whether the OP should be about to set them for a giveen thread. ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2011, 4:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-the-wolf-and-the-lion-5-15-11/582039/203 "2011-05-22T04:58:38Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > Whatever rules are fine, but it’s the constant cavilling about the rules that’s getting up my nose. (And yes, I’m doing it too, now, because basically this thread’s already a trainwreck; maybe pointing out that whining about whether the rules are exactly followed ruins the thread far more than diverging from the thread rules does will prevent this from happening next time). I do apologize for the for the tone of that post, and it’s because I too am irked that the thread is going off track – which is why I went and started the ATMB thread. ---
**Author:** ![quixotic78](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/3ab097/32.png) [@quixotic78](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/quixotic78)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2011, 5:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-the-wolf-and-the-lion-5-15-11/582039/204 "2011-05-22T05:08:06Z")
> [@Boyo\_Jim](#): > > Yup, IMO that’s the real problem. You can unwittingly read the contents of the spoiler box in your email notification of the latest response. If email notification doesn’t show spoiler boxes, isn’t the obvious solution to _stop email notification in a thread you don’t want spoiled_, rather than forbid spoiler boxes and take a Sarah-Palin-level-stupid stance on what constitutes a spoiler? Not to single you out, **Boyo Jim** , but for Buddha’s sake, at what point do the spoilerbabies take some responsibility for avoiding spoilers? ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2011, 5:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-the-wolf-and-the-lion-5-15-11/582039/205 "2011-05-22T05:16:56Z")
> [@quixotic78](#): > > If email notification doesn’t show spoiler boxes, isn’t the obvious solution to _stop email notification in a thread you don’t want spoiled_, rather than forbid spoiler boxes and take a Sarah-Palin-level-stupid stance on what constitutes a spoiler? Not to single you out, **Boyo Jim** , but for Buddha’s sake, at what point do the spoilerbabies take some responsibility for avoiding spoilers? How about the idea of showing some courtesy to the OP and abiding by the rules set? And not all of us spend every minute on the boards, and unsubscribing to a thread makes it too easy to lose track of it. I do not want to be hopping back and forth between threads, hoping to remember the ones I’m interested in, looking to see whether someone has added something. I’m done discussing this here, and I apologize to the OP for being part of a derailment. I suggest, **quixotic78** , that if you have further arguments to make you do so in the ATMB thread, ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2011, 6:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-the-wolf-and-the-lion-5-15-11/582039/206 "2011-05-22T06:28:07Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > Whatever rules are fine, but it’s the constant cavilling about the rules that’s getting up my nose. (And yes, I’m doing it too, now, because basically this thread’s already a trainwreck; maybe pointing out that whining about whether the rules are exactly followed ruins the thread far more than diverging from the thread rules does will prevent this from happening next time). When this thread was started the “other information that’s not in the HBO series, but isn’t strickly spoilers” thread hadn’t started yet. Tomorrow, two episodes are available. I’ll see how they go, then try to evaluate based on that. I think that with three threads for any given episode everyone should have something for them, but I guess we’ll see. ---
**Author:** ![Gukumatz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/74df32/32.png) [@Gukumatz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gukumatz)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2011, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-the-wolf-and-the-lion-5-15-11/582039/207 "2011-05-22T20:17:05Z")
**Moderation**. On a moderation note, I have talked with **Twickster** and the other Café Society mods. Since I’ve both read the books and am following the show, reported posts from these threads will be forwarded to me for arbitration. I intend to follow whatever policy the OP sets for the thread of the week, meaning it will probably get progressively better as soon as they are agreed upon. You can of course PM me directly if there is anything you want resolved or looked at and I am willing to either spoiler-box or remove the spoiling content. Mistakes happen, of course, and I will try to be tolerant of that while fixing the errors, but please remember that while the OP’s rules are not the equivalent of the board Rules, breaking them deliberately may constitute threadshitting or eventually failure to follow moderator instructions. If anyone has a problem with the rules, I suggest either using the current ATMB thread or PMing the OP to discuss them. - Gukumatz Game [of Thrones] Room Moderator ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2011, 10:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-the-wolf-and-the-lion-5-15-11/582039/208 "2011-05-22T22:10:55Z")
Thanks, **Gukumatz**. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2011, 11:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-the-wolf-and-the-lion-5-15-11/582039/209 "2011-05-23T23:02:15Z")
I’m glad to see that the system seems to be working so far in the new threads so I didn’t want to clutter that one up with this. Is like to thank our volunteer special moderator for taking on this task. I’ll also note that one of ghe points of contention in this thread – the slanting floor of the sky cell – was indeed revealed in the next episode. That’s the kind of thing that spoiler honed like me would prefer to learn in the hands of the producer and we were right to leave it in their hands. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-the-wolf-and-the-lion-5-15-11/582039.md?page=10)