# Game of Thrones, The Wolf and the Lion, 5/15/11 **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [May 15, 2011, 11:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-the-wolf-and-the-lion-5-15-11/582039 "2011-05-15T23:59:16Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Simplicio](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c37758/32.png) [@Simplicio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Simplicio)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2011, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-the-wolf-and-the-lion-5-15-11/582039/61 "2011-05-16T20:10:08Z")
I think Jamie got freaked when one of his men stabbed Ned. Presumably Robert might not care if Ned got locked up for a while, but he’s still probably not going to turn the other way when he gets stabbed. And its not like Robert is super-fond of Jamie in the first place. So once Ned was injured, Jamie decided not to dig himself a deeper hole by hauling him off to captivity. ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2011, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-the-wolf-and-the-lion-5-15-11/582039/62 "2011-05-16T20:13:00Z")
> [@Boyo\_Jim](#): > > On a related question – by what legal authority did Cat have Tyrion arrested? Pretty much everyone in that pub seemed to think she had sufficient authority and drew their swords to back her up. > > Also,I don’t think the king would see a big difference between killing all of Ned’s men and taking him prisoner, as opposed to killing all his men and stabbing him and leaving him bleeding in the street. But maybe that’s just me. 😛 Honestly, the difference in the two is that in one situation the important guy is Jaime’s hostage and in the other he’s still free and alive. As for Cat, her legal authority was because she is a daughter of the head of one powerful noble house and the wife of the lord of another. She had enough swords around of people sworn to her. If she can prove her accusations (or “prove” them) things might be unpleasant, but under control. She fails to, and well… -Joe ---
**Author:** ![Lantern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/d26b3c/32.png) [@Lantern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lantern)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2011, 9:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-the-wolf-and-the-lion-5-15-11/582039/63 "2011-05-16T21:03:01Z")
> [@Simplicio](#): > > I think Jamie got freaked when one of his men stabbed Ned. BTW did Jaime kill that man or did he just punch him? I am guessing the latter but it was hard to tell. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2011, 9:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-the-wolf-and-the-lion-5-15-11/582039/64 "2011-05-16T21:08:28Z")
It was a punch. ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2011, 9:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-the-wolf-and-the-lion-5-15-11/582039/65 "2011-05-16T21:16:43Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > It was a punch. Yeah, it was definitely a punch. I was actually expecting otherwise and was a bit surprised by the punch. -Joe ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2011, 9:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-the-wolf-and-the-lion-5-15-11/582039/66 "2011-05-16T21:25:17Z")
Technically, I think he hit him with the hilt of his sword. Pummeled him with his pommel. And Jaime wouldn’t kill his own man for that - he’s not a cartoon villain. Administering discipline is fine, but lords can’t expect loyalty from their troops if they start killing them out of hand. ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2011, 9:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-the-wolf-and-the-lion-5-15-11/582039/67 "2011-05-16T21:30:02Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > Technically, I think he hit him with the hilt of his sword. Pummeled him with his pommel. > > And Jaime wouldn’t kill his own man for that - he’s not a cartoon villain. Administering discipline is fine, but lords can’t expect loyalty from their troops if they start killing them out of hand. I agree. However, Jaime is a hothead - say the kind that would go pick a fight in the street with the lord of one of the big seven noble houses. In front of another member of the Council. And a big time friend of the king. Jaime isn’t a cartoon villain, but he still doesn’t think things through. -Joe ---
**Author:** ![Ura-Maru](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/51bf81/32.png) [@Ura-Maru](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ura-Maru)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2011, 10:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-the-wolf-and-the-lion-5-15-11/582039/68 "2011-05-16T22:30:11Z")
I think Jamie was mostly pissed at at the leg-stabber because he’d obviously **wanted** that fight, badly, for a long time. He’d been implying as much since his first appearance. Having him call the guard a “kill-stealing fucktard!1!” probably would have been inappropriate, though. I suspect Theon’s highly visible kraken was probably the result of which actors were willing to show it, and which weren’t. Brutus from _ **Rome** _ did the same, while none of the other main characters did, despite the fact that Mark Anthony’s and Titus Pullo’s both saw much more use. – I feel kinda bad for him. Everyone’s giving him crap. At least he was provoking the redhead. This time. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Peyote\_Coyote](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/5f8ce5/32.png) [@The\_Peyote\_Coyote](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Peyote_Coyote)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2011, 11:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-the-wolf-and-the-lion-5-15-11/582039/69 "2011-05-16T23:42:36Z")
Taomist Guest Join Date: Jul 2009 > [@](#): > > Something that I don’t really get: Why is everyone concerned with Dany’s baby? Son or not, it’s Viserys who’s the contestant for the crown, and it’s because of that the Dothraki took Dany to wife. I know the Targaryens often wedded brother to sister, but this isn’t the case, so…what hold does any kid of Dany’s have for the throne unless Viserys is dead? Why aren’t they worried more about VISERYS? (P.S. I _have_ read the books; didn’t get it there, either) My best guess, Taomist, is that the Westeros lords know Viserys is alone and incompetent and not a threat. However, Dany wed the ruler of a large body of horsemen and her child will grow up to command them (I think). You are threat when you"ve got an army. ---
**Author:** ![ouryL](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ouryl/32/6067_2.png) [@ouryL](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ouryL)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2011, 12:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-the-wolf-and-the-lion-5-15-11/582039/70 "2011-05-17T00:04:34Z")
> [@Taomist](#): > > Something that I don’t really get: Why is everyone concerned with Dany’s baby? Son or not, it’s Viserys who’s the contestant for the crown, and it’s because of that the Dothraki took Dany to wife. I know the Targaryens often wedded brother to sister, but this isn’t the case, so…what hold does any kid of Dany’s have for the throne unless Viserys is dead? Why aren’t they worried more about VISERYS? (P.S. I _have_ read the books; didn’t get it there, either) Doesn’t Viserys get crowned in the next episode. That’s what suggested by the preview. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2011, 12:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-the-wolf-and-the-lion-5-15-11/582039/71 "2011-05-17T00:11:29Z")
> [@ouryL](#): > > Doesn’t Viserys get crowned in the next episode. That’s what suggested by the preview. Are you speaking as someone who hasn’t read the books or someone who has? Because if the latter, this isn’t the thread. ---
**Author:** ![Biggirl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biggirl/32/3294_2.png) [@Biggirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biggirl)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2011, 12:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-the-wolf-and-the-lion-5-15-11/582039/72 "2011-05-17T00:21:33Z")
> [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > I read it. But this is the first time I’ve read a AGoT thread. It’s helpful. I haven’t read the books, and I’m having trouble keeping everyone straight. What he said. Thanks for the effort. ---
**Author:** ![Feyrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/fbc32d/32.png) [@Feyrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Feyrat)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2011, 12:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-the-wolf-and-the-lion-5-15-11/582039/73 "2011-05-17T00:37:13Z")
> [@jayjay](#): > > Are you speaking as someone who hasn’t read the books or someone who has? Because if the latter, this isn’t the thread. Well, the next episode is titled “A Golden Crown,” and the previews are fairly suggestive. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2011, 12:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-the-wolf-and-the-lion-5-15-11/582039/74 "2011-05-17T00:53:37Z")
The title would seem to suggest it has to be the episode where Viserys gets his crown. One of the highlights of the book. That’s all I’ll say outside the spoiler thread. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2011, 1:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-the-wolf-and-the-lion-5-15-11/582039/75 "2011-05-17T01:41:19Z")
Okay, gotcha. I forgot that was the title. ---
**Author:** ![gallows\_fodder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/8c91f0/32.png) [@gallows\_fodder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gallows_fodder)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2011, 1:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-the-wolf-and-the-lion-5-15-11/582039/76 "2011-05-17T01:59:12Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > Question for the ladies: Did you think Loras was extremely hot? Nope, not even a little bit hot. (Sorry, guy who plays Loras.) Sean Bean is impressing me more and more as each episode goes by…he’s pitch-perfect in every scene. I wish I could say the same as Lena Headey as Cersei. She seems to have two facial expressions: blank and frowny. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2011, 2:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-the-wolf-and-the-lion-5-15-11/582039/77 "2011-05-17T02:09:29Z")
Agreed on Sean Bean. He’s everything Ned should be. The casting, for the most part, has been spot on. ---
**Author:** ![HazelNutCoffee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ac91a4/32.png) [@HazelNutCoffee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HazelNutCoffee)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2011, 2:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-the-wolf-and-the-lion-5-15-11/582039/78 "2011-05-17T02:24:49Z")
Cersei always looks like she’s swallowed something that doesn’t agree with her. Loras wasn’t hot, in my opinion. That last scene, with Jaime and Ned fighting, had me holding my breath. Lots more gore in this particular episode. I liked it. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2011, 2:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-the-wolf-and-the-lion-5-15-11/582039/79 "2011-05-17T02:47:03Z")
> [@gallows\_fodder](#): > > Nope, not even a little bit hot. (Sorry, guy who plays Loras.) > [@HazelNutCoffee](#): > > Loras wasn’t hot, in my opinion. Thanks, i thought the casting was way off too but i didn’t know if my hetero male opinion on the hotness of a particular man was right. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2011, 4:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-the-wolf-and-the-lion-5-15-11/582039/80 "2011-05-17T04:50:22Z")
Loras’s sex appeal is supposed to work best on young teenage girls; he’s basically the Lance Bass of the Westeros jousting circuit. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-the-wolf-and-the-lion-5-15-11/582039.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-the-wolf-and-the-lion-5-15-11/582039.md?page=5)