# Game of Thrones TV show speculation thread. Spoilers, of course. **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [June 25, 2017, 7:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-tv-show-speculation-thread-spoilers-of-course/789858 "2017-06-25T19:58:12Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2017, 6:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-tv-show-speculation-thread-spoilers-of-course/789858/21 "2017-07-02T18:54:23Z")
> [@wintertime](#): > > 1. Bran closes the time-loop. The same story will play out again, and again, and again. 1. Until Ser Adama breaks the loop and they all go die on an island somewhere. ---
**Author:** ![Biggirl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biggirl/32/3294_2.png) [@Biggirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biggirl)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2017, 10:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-tv-show-speculation-thread-spoilers-of-course/789858/22 "2017-07-02T22:24:28Z")
> [@Uosdwis\_R.Dewoh](#): > > It is interesting that speculation of the ending, in this thread and around the Web, rarely takes this scenario into account. Like the characters of GOT we all kinda assume the iron throne is forever. > > I think Littlefinger has to die at the hands of the White walkers. It makes thematic sense that he would die of the one thing his endless scheming couldn’t prepare for: fucking ice Zombies. Well, Dany keeps saying she isn’t going to join the wheel of succession, she’s going to break it. Martin has been saying all along that if you think there’s going to be a happy ending, you haven’t been paying attention. This makes me both nervous and excited. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2017, 11:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-tv-show-speculation-thread-spoilers-of-course/789858/23 "2017-07-02T23:09:38Z")
You don’t put a giant undead horde behind a magic wall and \*not \*have them break through at some point. You also don’t have fire-breathing dragon sand ice demons in the same story without having them fight each other. Otherwise, what’s the point? Maybe it’s because I’m a book reader from way back, but I can’t forget that the actual name of the series is “A Song of Ice and Fire”. All that game of thrones stuff is fun, but it’s not the main event. ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2017, 3:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-tv-show-speculation-thread-spoilers-of-course/789858/24 "2017-07-03T03:45:23Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > You don’t put a giant undead horde behind a magic wall and \*not \*have them break through at some point. You also don’t have fire-breathing dragon sand ice demons in the same story without having them fight each other. Otherwise, what’s the point? > > Maybe it’s because I’m a book reader from way back, but I can’t forget that the actual name of the series is “A Song of Ice and Fire”. All that game of thrones stuff is fun, but it’s not the main event. I’d agree with some of that, but Martin specifically set out to smash tropes. I could possible see dragons not fight the undead. The song of ice and fire could just be Jon. Martin’s said the ending will be bittersweet, so I think the status quo is going away one way or another. ---
**Author:** ![Sterling\_Archer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f1d935/32.png) [@Sterling\_Archer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sterling_Archer)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2017, 5:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-tv-show-speculation-thread-spoilers-of-course/789858/25 "2017-07-03T05:06:02Z")
Some guesses: 1. Jon’s parentage is never revealed to Westeros 2. Jon and Dany end up on opposite sides of the central conflict 3. Jaime kills Cersei 4. The white walkers bring down the wall and wage war on the north. Bran hijacks a dragon to save the day. 5. Kings Landing is utterly destroyed by the dragons, but Dany is ultimately defeated by Bran and the United remaining lords of the seven kingdoms. Might be a return to 7 separate kingdoms at the end, or possibly an oligarchy – a Lord’s council with no king. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2017, 6:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-tv-show-speculation-thread-spoilers-of-course/789858/26 "2017-07-03T06:14:45Z")
> [@Snarky\_Kong](#): > > I’d agree with some of that, but Martin specifically set out to smash tropes. I disagree with that. Martin’s no Joe Abercrombie or China Miéville, out to smash tropes just because they’re tropes. He has (or had) a story he wants to tell, and he’ll ignore conventional wisdom if it stands in his way, but at the end, he’s still a classicist. Unlike them, he doesn’t think he’s too cool to be a geek. ---
**Author:** ![AK84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85e7bf/32.png) [@AK84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AK84)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2017, 6:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-tv-show-speculation-thread-spoilers-of-course/789858/27 "2017-07-03T06:44:52Z")
How many _alive_ people do know of Jon’s parentage? Bran… and? ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2017, 7:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-tv-show-speculation-thread-spoilers-of-course/789858/28 "2017-07-03T07:15:45Z")
> [@AK84](#): > > How many _alive_ people do know of Jon’s parentage? > > Bran… and? The Reed kids’ father, who was the only other guy, besides Ned Stark, to survive that fight against the three Kingsguard knights at the Tower of Joy. ---
**Author:** ![AK84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85e7bf/32.png) [@AK84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AK84)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2017, 7:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-tv-show-speculation-thread-spoilers-of-course/789858/29 "2017-07-03T07:24:57Z")
Is he alive in the Show’s continuty? ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2017, 8:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-tv-show-speculation-thread-spoilers-of-course/789858/30 "2017-07-03T08:14:47Z")
> [@AK84](#): > > Is he alive in the Show’s continuty? He hasn’t been mentioned either way. We saw him survive the fight, though, in Bran’s vision - he’s the one who stabbed Arthur Dayne (two-sword guy) in the back. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2017, 9:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-tv-show-speculation-thread-spoilers-of-course/789858/31 "2017-07-03T09:41:34Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > I disagree with that. Martin’s no Joe Abercrombie or China Miéville, out to smash tropes\*\* just because they’re tropes\*\*. I don’t know about Abercrombie, but that bit I’ve bolded is, IMO, a terrible misreading of Miéville… > [@](#): > > […] Unlike them, he doesn’t think he’s too cool to be a geek. …who is also [quite openly a geek](http://www.believermag.com/issues/200504/?read=interview_mieville): “Yeah,\*\* I am completely a geek\*\*.[…] But yes,\*\* I feel fantastically geeky\*\*. I’m not one of those people who’s enormously proud of being a geek, but\*\* nor am I particularly ashamed of it.\*\* […] **I’m a science fiction and fantasy geek**. I love this stuff. And when I write my novels, I’m not writing them to make political points. I’m writing them because I passionately love monsters and the weird and horror stories and strange situations and surrealism, and what I want to do is communicate that.” ---
**Author:** ![ryan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/a8b319/32.png) [@ryan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ryan)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2017, 11:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-tv-show-speculation-thread-spoilers-of-course/789858/32 "2017-07-03T11:33:10Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > The Reed kids’ father, who was the only other guy, besides Ned Stark, to survive that fight against the three Kingsguard knights at the Tower of Joy. There were only two Kingsguard at the Tower Of Joy. One, not named onscreen but, behind-the-screen info names as Lord Commander Gerold Hightower and the other Ser Arthur Dayne The Sword of the Morning. There were three in the books. > [@Alessan](#): > > He hasn’t been mentioned either way. We saw him survive the fight, though, in Bran’s vision - he’s the one who stabbed Arthur Dayne (two-sword guy) in the back. Jojen talks to Bran about telling his father of his vision of Neds death during their journey through The Gift. He says it is the only time he ever saw his father cry. So we know Howland Reed was alive sometime after Ned Starks execution. ---
**Author:** ![Smid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/838e76/32.png) [@Smid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smid)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2017, 1:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-tv-show-speculation-thread-spoilers-of-course/789858/33 "2017-07-03T13:19:09Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > The Reed kids’ father, who was the only other guy, besides Ned Stark, to survive that fight against the three Kingsguard knights at the Tower of Joy. I always suspected Barristan knew too, but he was ‘stannised’ in the series… ---
**Author:** ![Smid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/838e76/32.png) [@Smid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smid)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2017, 1:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-tv-show-speculation-thread-spoilers-of-course/789858/34 "2017-07-03T13:27:46Z")
> [@ryan](#): > > Jojen talks to Bran about telling his father of his vision of Neds death during their journey through The Gift. He says it is the only time he ever saw his father cry. So we know Howland Reed was alive sometime after Ned Starks execution. Like a few people, I reckon Howland Reed is in the asoiaf books somewhere, and GRRM does like to hide such twists in plain sight (like Barriston in the books, but that doesn’t work in a visual medium). I think Howland will be in there, and I don’t think it’s the high sparrow like a bunch of theories based on him having a similar hairstyle as Howland… I very much doubt he’s in the TV show though. ---
**Author:** ![Smid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/838e76/32.png) [@Smid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smid)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2017, 1:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-tv-show-speculation-thread-spoilers-of-course/789858/35 "2017-07-03T13:32:52Z")
> [@Biggirl](#): > > Maybe something with the two remaining direwolves (there are just two still alive, right? Or did they kill Ghost when they killed John? I’m not remembering). I was going to say three, but I must have blocked out Summer, Brans wolf, getting killed in the TV series… Nymeria, Arya’s is still around riverlands but not sure how much referenced on the show, and Ghost didn’t make the Battle of the Bastards because they only have money for the CGI giant… ---
**Author:** ![Push\_You\_Down](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/push_you_down/32/9095_2.png) [@Push\_You\_Down](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Push_You_Down)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2017, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-tv-show-speculation-thread-spoilers-of-course/789858/36 "2017-07-03T16:34:52Z")
I still like my ending of Tyrion living in Essos and making a meager living in a sideshow but not as a dwarf but as ‘the last Westerosi.’ He warns the crowd about the continent of ice and the undead who dwell there and how they best pray to the gods, the old and the new, that they never learn to build ships. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2017, 8:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-tv-show-speculation-thread-spoilers-of-course/789858/37 "2017-07-03T20:16:48Z")
> [@alphaboi867](#): > > Regardless of Jon Snow/Stark’s (I’m assuming he takes the Stark name now that he’s the King in the North) legitimacy or House Targaryen’s succession laws (which seem to be similar to Semi-salic law) Daenerys has armies, fleets, and most importantly dragons which Jon doesn’t have. The Iron Throne belongs to whoever can take & hold it be force; everything else is just window dressing. That being said I think Jon & Daenerys will enter into a marriage of state. It would solidify her claim to the Iron Throne, bring the North back into the Seven Kingdoms peacefully, and even if he’s nominally her co-ruler he’ll likely be content to spend most of his time in Winterfell and leave Daenerys to her own devices in King’s Landing. Also if Daenerys is barren as people are assuming they could revive Targaryen polygyny and he course sire heirs via a secondary wife or concubine. Makes sense to me. > [@Uosdwis\_R.Dewoh](#): > > …I think Littlefinger has to die at the hands of the White walkers. It makes thematic sense that he would die of the one thing his endless scheming couldn’t prepare for: fucking ice Zombies. Much as I enjoy his conniving and scheming, that does seem poetic justice. > [@wintertime](#): > > …4. The Night King rules Westeros and sits on the Iron Throne. Everyone we have come to know is undead. In the final shot, we see the oceans ice over and the dead march toward other continents… Wow! Not gonna happen, but it’d certainly be a memorable image to end on. > [@Snarky\_Kong](#): > > …Martin’s said the ending will be bittersweet, so I think the status quo is going away one way or another. Definitely worth remembering. ---
**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2017, 12:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-tv-show-speculation-thread-spoilers-of-course/789858/38 "2017-07-04T00:56:41Z")
Speaking of Sansa & Littlefinger; I know he was positioning her to marry her cousin Robin before he married her off to Ramsey Bolton, but I think now he’ll end up marrying her himself. Sansa will then end up _Dowager_ Lady Baelish; possibly, but not directly by her own action. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2017, 1:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-tv-show-speculation-thread-spoilers-of-course/789858/39 "2017-07-04T01:55:24Z")
$20 says she has him beheaded before that can happen. ---
**Author:** ![Smid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/838e76/32.png) [@Smid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smid)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2017, 8:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-tv-show-speculation-thread-spoilers-of-course/789858/40 "2017-07-04T08:45:34Z")
Ok, so Jon has finally got to be king of the north. Now his troubles, as they were originally, are with the White walkers so back to reinforcing the wall… That might be what isolates and gets Littlefinger killed. He’s got no interest in that, unless he can harness that chaos to his own ends, which might lead him to the chop. Danerys’s campaign won’t quite be as successful as expected. Not sure how some threads will tie in, such as Sams. The maesters might have been behind the fall of the last dragons. So he could be on that side of things, Oldtown being as far away as can be from the North. Euron will be the big bad of the series. Like GRRM intends for his vapourbooks, but I think GRRM is changing the books now to be different from the show, which means Euron maybe won’t feature. Does he have the dragonhorn in the series? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-tv-show-speculation-thread-spoilers-of-course/789858.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-tv-show-speculation-thread-spoilers-of-course/789858.md?page=3)