# Game of Thrones, Winter is Coming, 4/17/11 **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [April 18, 2011, 1:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-winter-is-coming-4-17-11/578781 "2011-04-18T01:17:09Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 7\ **Page:** 18
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2011, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-winter-is-coming-4-17-11/578781/341 "2011-04-27T20:06:29Z")
> [@Snarky\_Kong](#): > > Did you think that the rangers were killed by wildlings? I certainly wouldn’t blame someone who hadn’t read the books for thinking that. The prologue was pretty confusing, and it could just as well have been wights that killed them as actual Others. All we saw of the Others was a shadowy figure…didn’t look like any “White” Walker to me. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2011, 9:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-winter-is-coming-4-17-11/578781/342 "2011-04-27T21:38:45Z")
> [@Merijeek](#): > > Yet, unprompted, people in the thread for the very next episode wish for a sccne you deemed fan service and a waste of time. Obviously, we have a difference of opinion. > [@](#): > > And it’s not a difference of opinion. I can state as a fact that my view of what constitutes a significant or not significant character, scene, or relationship, and my view on such things is worth far more than yours. You know why? Because I KNOW what comes next and you don’t. Actually, that’s an opinion, too, not a fact. The value of any particular scene idea may be purely dependent on the parameters of that scene idea. I can apply my knowledge of stories and film in general, and, indeed, that’s exactly what people who state opinions about film do all the time. > [@](#): > > With complete ignorance of the themes, plot, and characters you declare that portraying a fairly significant set of relationships is “fan service” - a pretty insulting term, really. A non-existent scene can’t be insulted. Both because it’s an inanimate object, and also because it doesn’t exist. > [@](#): > > Based on absolutely nothing. Again, that’s your opinion. I have no problem with that, but your increasing hostility is remarkable. ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2011, 10:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-winter-is-coming-4-17-11/578781/343 "2011-04-27T22:52:58Z")
> [@Merijeek](#): > > And it’s not a difference of opinion. I can state as a fact that my view of what constitutes a significant or not significant character, scene, or relationship, and my view on such things is worth far more than yours. You know why? Because I KNOW what comes next and you don’t. You know what? Having read all four books, and also KNOWING what comes next, I have absolutely no problem with the TV show cutting down on the wolves. They’re not all that important, . . . _sigh_ minor spoiler: except for one. They’re being used for the purpose intended, to display the personalities of the Stark children, and that they are being downplayed in the show is merely an effect of HBO not wanting to film 50 episodes. It’s opinion. Get over it. And I won’t post any further wolf discussion here, but will use the open spoiler thread should I have anything else to say. ---
**Author:** ![voltaire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voltaire/32/313_2.png) [@voltaire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/voltaire)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2011, 11:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-winter-is-coming-4-17-11/578781/344 "2011-04-27T23:02:57Z")
> [@Bridget\_Burke](#): > > If your _interpretation_ of what was shown was influenced by the fact you seem to have made it through the first book in the series, why _not_ take it to the spoiler thread? > > [ul] > [li]Serious spoilers shouldn’t be here.[/li][li]Possibly-not-serious spoilers just make for an ugly thread.[/li][/ul] > > We have a whole thread in which to exhibit our in-depth knowledge! Agreed. And many of you book-readers have expressed interest in what those of who are not book-readers think about the story as it unfolds. So it’s nice for everyone to keep the book-reader and non book-reader threads separate and distinct, with as few intermingled spoilers as possible. ---
**Author:** ![Kamino\_Neko](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kamino_neko/32/34_2.png) [@Kamino\_Neko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kamino_Neko)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2011, 11:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-winter-is-coming-4-17-11/578781/345 "2011-04-27T23:14:02Z")
> [@jayjay](#): > > Okay, in for a penny…he DID claim to have seen them. We, however, really didn’t. Not clearly. Unless by White Walkers he’s talking about the wights, rather than the Others. I don’t think the fact that we didn’t see them well has much bearing…I knew which creatures he was talking about, when the White Walkers were mentioned. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2011, 11:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-winter-is-coming-4-17-11/578781/346 "2011-04-27T23:26:19Z")
> [@OpalCat](#): > > No, It’s not clear yet what the white walkers are. Hell it isn’t even clear yet in the books. What you said is by no means common knowledge at this point–it could easily be assumed that the undead ARE the white walkers and nothing has been shown to disprove that yet. It’s a long while in the books before that really becomes the understanding. I’m sorry but this is pretty silly, we were shown a dead human coming back to life and a monster. Clearing up something that already happened is not a spoiler even if you did not get it when you saw it. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2011, 1:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-winter-is-coming-4-17-11/578781/347 "2011-04-29T01:15:13Z")
Rewatching, I noticed that one of the women in the crowd at the Dothraki wedding was amazingly well endowed. I’m now hoping that we spend a lot of time learning about that noble race of nomadic horsemen. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-winter-is-coming-4-17-11/578781.md?page=17)