# Game of Thrones "Winterfell" 8.01 4/14/19 **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [April 14, 2019, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-winterfell-8-01-4-14-19/832542 "2019-04-14T18:41:10Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 14
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2019, 11:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-winterfell-8-01-4-14-19/832542/261 "2019-04-18T23:21:44Z")
> [@TruCelt](#): > > Ghost found the dragonglass weapons on the Fist of the First Men. Sam ended up with one, and it was at hand when he needed to stop a White Walker. That’s how they found out that dragonglass kills them. Let’s say they haven’t played any essential role in the plot so far that depends on them being supernatural protectors of the Starks. For example, the dragonglass could have been found by anyone or by some other method. Starks and others have been rescued by them on occasion, but that role could have been played by some other character including an ordinary human. The dragons, in contrast, have been absolutely indispensable to Dany’s entire storyline. Without them, and specifically their magical qualities, she couldn’t have achieved any of her conquests and would have been dead several times over. Dany would be nothing without the dragons, while the direwolves are a sidelight that could have been eliminated from the story without making any real difference. ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2019, 11:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-winterfell-8-01-4-14-19/832542/262 "2019-04-18T23:32:07Z")
So where is Meera Reed? Shouldn’t she be hanging around Bran and Winterfell? ---
**Author:** ![Telperion](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/telperion/32/509_2.png) [@Telperion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telperion)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2019, 12:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-winterfell-8-01-4-14-19/832542/263 "2019-04-19T00:38:27Z")
> [@Saint\_Cad](#): > > So where is Meera Reed? Shouldn’t she be hanging around Bran and Winterfell? I think she went home to wherever it is the Reeds live. It’s weird that we have never seen Howland Reed other than in the Tower of Joy flashback though, he’s a Stark bannerman so he probably should have mustered some units to their cause at some point. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2019, 12:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-winterfell-8-01-4-14-19/832542/264 "2019-04-19T00:51:44Z")
Given that he has known all along about Jon’s true parentage, it’s no wonder the show made him a non-person. ---
**Author:** ![Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/qadgop_the_mercotan/32/83_2.png) [@Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qadgop_the_Mercotan)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2019, 1:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-winterfell-8-01-4-14-19/832542/265 "2019-04-19T01:04:02Z")
That conversation about “the ginger who got his eyelids burned off” was referring to the Lannister soldier/singer whom Arya met last season, no? ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2019, 1:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-winterfell-8-01-4-14-19/832542/266 "2019-04-19T01:07:47Z")
> [@Telperion](#): > > I think she went home to wherever it is the Reeds live. Yeah, she went back to the swamp (Greywater Watch, on the Neck) where the Reeds live to be with her family when the Walkers come. She got upset with Bran when all he said was “Thanks” when she said she was going to leave. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2019, 1:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-winterfell-8-01-4-14-19/832542/267 "2019-04-19T01:13:35Z")
> [@Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](#): > > That conversation about “the ginger who got his eyelids burned off” was referring to the Lannister soldier/singer whom Arya met last season, no? Yeah, it referred to the cameo by Ed Sheeran. Sheeran apparently Instagrammed, [“Thanks, I knew I was a survivor.”](https://www.huffpost.com/entry/game-of-thrones-season-8-ed-sheeran_n_5cb0f05ae4b0ffefe3b06817) I’m sure burning him up was a wink at all the criticism the cameo got. ---
**Author:** ![dasmoocher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/dbc845/32.png) [@dasmoocher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dasmoocher)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2019, 5:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-winterfell-8-01-4-14-19/832542/268 "2019-04-19T05:28:19Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > Predators don’t usually eat other predators for a reason: they’re too rare to make it worthwhile to hunt them. The dragons would have to expend more energy looking for bears and wolves than they would gain by eating them. Off topic, but this showed up in my newsfeed today: [Killer whales feast on the livers of great white sharks — just one orca sighting can keep the sharks away for a year](https://www.thisisinsider.com/great-white-sharks-afraid-of-orca-whales-2019-4) I assume the dragons could eat the deer, moose, or whatever the bears and wolves eat in the North. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2019, 5:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-winterfell-8-01-4-14-19/832542/269 "2019-04-19T05:48:08Z")
> [@dasmoocher](#): > > I assume the dragons could eat the deer, moose, or whatever the bears and wolves eat in the North. Another consideration is that if the dragons have to go out ranging far and wide to hunt they may not be available when the Army of the Dead arrives. Remember Drogon was gone for months at one point. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2019, 3:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-winterfell-8-01-4-14-19/832542/270 "2019-04-19T15:58:29Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > Just that if I had a supernatural giant wolf protector I would want it to be at least as effective as Snowy. 😉 … And hopefully less likely to be distracted by bones. > [@Colibri](#): > > Littlefinger’s Valyrian steel dagger (unnamed) is now in the possession of Arya… You know what kind of people name weapons. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2019, 4:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-winterfell-8-01-4-14-19/832542/271 "2019-04-19T16:20:51Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > You know what kind of people name weapons. [Yes I do.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ItKF3xyci8)🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2019, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-winterfell-8-01-4-14-19/832542/272 "2019-04-19T16:45:29Z")
Heh. I knew you did. ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2019, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-winterfell-8-01-4-14-19/832542/273 "2019-04-19T16:54:52Z")
Too bad Gendry didn’t name the Hound’s weapon for him. ---
**Author:** ![robby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robby/32/11048_2.png) [@robby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/robby)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2019, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-winterfell-8-01-4-14-19/832542/274 "2019-04-19T17:01:51Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > …You know what kind of people name weapons. > [@Colibri](#): > > [Yes I do.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ItKF3xyci8)🙂 [Heh, I thought of something completely different.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nkGIxGdZoYY) 🙂 Hartman: “Tonight, you pukes will sleep with your rifles. You will give your rifle a girl’s name.” ---
**Author:** ![Biggirl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biggirl/32/3294_2.png) [@Biggirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biggirl)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2019, 5:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-winterfell-8-01-4-14-19/832542/275 "2019-04-19T17:02:42Z")
> [@AlsoNamedBort](#): > > Too bad Gendry didn’t name the Hound’s weapon for him. Cunt would have been perfect. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2019, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-winterfell-8-01-4-14-19/832542/276 "2019-04-19T17:11:46Z")
> [@Biggirl](#): > > Cunt would have been perfect. I was going to suggest “Cuntsmiter.” ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2019, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-winterfell-8-01-4-14-19/832542/277 "2019-04-19T17:21:18Z")
Definitely not “Buttlicker.” [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/1QQBB3cwNM0/maxresdefault.jpg "'OUR PRICES HAVE NEVER BEEN LOWER!' - The Office US") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1QQBB3cwNM0) ---
**Author:** ![Emiliana](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f0a364/32.png) [@Emiliana](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Emiliana)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2019, 5:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-winterfell-8-01-4-14-19/832542/278 "2019-04-19T17:22:42Z")
In season one, Ned tells Arya that one she’ll one day be a great lady, etc. etc. and she responds “That’s not me.” When she encounters her wolf in a later season, she says “That’s not you,” meaning that reuniting with Arya wasn’t the life the wolf was meant to live. Didn’t realize the parallel until I rewatched episodes from season one last week. ---
**Author:** ![msmith537](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d9b06d/32.png) [@msmith537](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/msmith537)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2019, 10:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-winterfell-8-01-4-14-19/832542/279 "2019-04-19T22:32:23Z")
Has no one mentioned how awful Jon Snow’s plan actually was? Aside from turning the North into a province of Dany’s new Targaryen empire (which no one seems super jazzed up about), all he’s managed to do is lose a dragon to the Night King, essentially delivering to him a method of breaching The Wall. Cersei is no more on board with helping than she was before, except now she a) knows their plans and b) knows they are short one dragon. At best, all Jon has done is inspire Jaime Lannister to come north where he will be lucky to not be killed by every character he’s fucked over for the past seven seasons. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2019, 10:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-winterfell-8-01-4-14-19/832542/280 "2019-04-19T22:50:03Z")
> [@msmith537](#): > > Has no one mentioned how awful Jon Snow’s plan actually was? The stupidity of the whole Wight Hunt plot device was discussed at considerable length last season, even before the fact that the dead dragon would be used to breach the Wall was known. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-winterfell-8-01-4-14-19/832542.md?page=13) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-winterfell-8-01-4-14-19/832542.md?page=15)