# Game of Thrones "Winterfell" 8.01 4/14/19 **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [April 14, 2019, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-winterfell-8-01-4-14-19/832542 "2019-04-14T18:41:10Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Bruce\_Wayne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bruce\_Wayne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bruce_Wayne)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2019, 2:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-winterfell-8-01-4-14-19/832542/81 "2019-04-15T14:00:34Z")
> [@Snarky\_Kong](#): > > **Bruce Wayne** , Euron killed two of the three sandsnakes in episode 1 of season 7. The third was murdered by Cersei in a dungeon beneath the Red Keep. The third presumably died but Ellaria her mother wasn’t poisoned and she could still rally Dornish reinforcements. > [@clairobscur](#): > > If I remember correctly, in the show, Edmure died when the Tully’s castle was taken. Blackfish died not Edmure. Edmure was the guy who married the attractive Frey girl and was dragged out for the bedding ceremony right before the massacre started at the red wedding. He betrayed his uncle(Blackfish) in season 6 by handing over Riverrun to the Lannisters. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2019, 2:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-winterfell-8-01-4-14-19/832542/82 "2019-04-15T14:24:09Z")
Perhaps the reason the Northerners are seemingly more concerned with Jon not being King in the North than the threat of the White Walkers is that most of them have never seen the White Walkers up close? For them, it’s still a myth? ---
**Author:** ![DrCube](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a3d4f5/32.png) [@DrCube](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrCube)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2019, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-winterfell-8-01-4-14-19/832542/83 "2019-04-15T15:04:38Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > Perhaps the reason the Northerners are seemingly more concerned with Jon not being King in the North than the threat of the White Walkers is that most of them have never seen the White Walkers up close? For them, it’s still a myth? That’s still a big theme. Jon got a lot of allies and united the North, but most of them still think he’s being dramatic when he talks about the Army of the Dead and the End of the World coming any day now. The remaining Wildlings and Night’s Watchmen know the truth, and Dany and the Lord of Light crew have seen them, but the rest of the Westerosi aristocracy still think it’s a fairy tale. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2019, 3:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-winterfell-8-01-4-14-19/832542/84 "2019-04-15T15:09:30Z")
So is there a deliberate or not deliberate metaphor about climate change deniers going on here? ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2019, 3:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-winterfell-8-01-4-14-19/832542/85 "2019-04-15T15:26:16Z")
There’s a pretty good screen cap of the drawing Arya handed to Gendry in [this Tweet](https://twitter.com/peppergingercat/status/1117679435614830593). The one word is “dragonglass”. Some kind of detachable spear head thing? There’s no indication of scale and Gendry didn’t ask. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2019, 3:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-winterfell-8-01-4-14-19/832542/86 "2019-04-15T15:27:58Z")
Looks like a dagger with a detachable tip, shrug. ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2019, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-winterfell-8-01-4-14-19/832542/87 "2019-04-15T15:31:37Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > Looks like a dagger with a detachable tip, shrug. It looks pretty simple, but there is zero chance that it is not important down the road. “Can you make this?” “A pointy thing? Yeah, I know how to make pointy things.” ---
**Author:** ![Bijou\_Drains](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bijou_drains/32/2814_2.png) [@Bijou\_Drains](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bijou_Drains)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2019, 3:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-winterfell-8-01-4-14-19/832542/88 "2019-04-15T15:33:18Z")
seems like this is not the type of show where one of the main characters "wins " the iron throne. That’s way too old fashioned ---
**Author:** ![Telperion](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/telperion/32/509_2.png) [@Telperion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telperion)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2019, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-winterfell-8-01-4-14-19/832542/89 "2019-04-15T15:40:47Z")
> [@Lance\_Turbo](#): > > There’s a pretty good screen cap of the drawing Arya handed to Gendry in [this Tweet](https://twitter.com/peppergingercat/status/1117679435614830593). > > The one word is “dragonglass”. Some kind of detachable spear head thing? There’s no indication of scale and Gendry didn’t ask. It looks like a [ballistic knife](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ballistic_knife#/media/File:Ballistic_knife-01.jpg) to me. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2019, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-winterfell-8-01-4-14-19/832542/90 "2019-04-15T15:53:20Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > Is it being suggested Cersei is lying about it? Or maybe just Cersei making up her own reality, as is typical for her. However, her refraining from wine last season indicated to Tyrion she was actually concerned about a child. But in this episode she freely drinks wine with Euron. Knowing Cersei, she was probably making it up to manipulate Jaime and Tyrion. But she’s so crazy who knows. > [@aurora\_maire](#): > > Lord Royce (I had to look that up) from the Eyrie, who was in charge of Robin’s training, is at Winterfell so Robin may be around. Maybe we will see him later as a wight. Royce and the Knights of the Vale went to Winterfell under the command of Littlefinger but left Robin behind at Runestone (Royce’s castle). They now presumably are under the direct command of Sansa as Robin’s cousin. There would seem to be little point to bring an infantile adolescent to Winterfell where he would be completely useless and in danger. > [@](#): > > The reveal that Jon can ride a dragon didn’t happen the way I expected (in battle). That should add a little weight to the Sam/Bran claim since everyone thinks only Targaryens can ride them. Has this actually been stated in the show, either as a fact or a general belief? If so Danaerys evidently doesn’t believe it since she offered Jon a chance to ride a dragon. If it’s true, it should be an enormous reveal to her. Ironically, the dragon Jon gets to ride is Rhaegal, named after his real father. > [@Bruce\_Wayne](#): > > The third presumably died but Ellaria her mother wasn’t poisoned and she could still rally Dornish reinforcements. [Tyene was still alive](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4KviFXU_87A) when last seen but had been given a fatal poison (the same one that killed Myrcella). Like I said Ellaria might pop up again in some role but given how badly the Dorne subplot was received I doubt Dorne itself will play a part in the upcoming battles. For me, the best exchange in the episode was this: Tyrion: Last time we spoke was at Joffrey’s wedding. Miserable affair. Sansa (with a tiny hint of a smile): It had its moments. This is the first time I can recall Sansa joking, and it’s a good one. ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2019, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-winterfell-8-01-4-14-19/832542/91 "2019-04-15T16:32:49Z")
> [@Telperion](#): > > It looks like a [ballistic knife](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ballistic_knife#/media/File:Ballistic_knife-01.jpg) to me. Ballistic knife/[boar spear](https://www.museumreplicas.com/man-at-arms-european-boar-spear) maybe? ---
**Author:** ![aurora\_maire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aurora_maire/32/328_2.png) [@aurora\_maire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aurora_maire)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2019, 4:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-winterfell-8-01-4-14-19/832542/92 "2019-04-15T16:35:27Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > Royce and the Knights of the Vale went to Winterfell under the command of Littlefinger but left Robin behind at Runestone (Royce’s castle). They now presumably are under the direct command of Sansa as Robin’s cousin. There would seem to be little point to bring an infantile adolescent to Winterfell where he would be completely useless and in danger. I had to look up where Runestone is ([http://quartermaester.info/](http://quartermaester.info/)) and it’s far enough south that he should be safe for now. I was thinking about Sansa saying all the houses in the north needed to come to Winterfell for safety. > [@](#): > > Has this actually been stated in the show, either as a fact or a general belief? If so Danaerys evidently doesn’t believe it since she offered Jon a chance to ride a dragon. If it’s true, it should be an enormous reveal to her. > > Ironically, the dragon Jon gets to ride is Rhaegal, named after his real father. I don’t know if anyone ever actually stated it as fact. I’m just assuming this from the stories that Arya and Shireen told about the dragons. The only people ever mentioned riding them were Targaryens. That led me to believe they were the only ones that could. But you are right, it looks like Danaerys does know that it’s not true since she wasn’t surprised. Maybe she never said anything about it because she doesn’t know what stories were told in Westeros. ---
**Author:** ![Quimby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/22d042/32.png) [@Quimby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quimby)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2019, 4:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-winterfell-8-01-4-14-19/832542/93 "2019-04-15T16:35:43Z")
I really liked this episode. I expected the internet to hate it because they usually hate table setting episodes so the generally positive response has been a pleasant surprise. This felt like the first of a couple of deep breaths before all hell breaks loose. I liked all the reunions and the mixing and matching of characters. It is a testament t well made long running shows that they can generate good scenes just by putting characters who never met together. I really liked the parallels between this episode and the pilot. Beginning with a royal procession into Winterfell. Ending with a confrontation between Jaime and Bran. Some of the humor felt a little forced to me. Very quipy and modern sounding. I think Cersei mentioning the Elephants once was enough. Not sure what to make of Strickland. Even his name sounds like the Boss in a sitcom and not a sellsword from Essos. I am torn about the wedge between Sam and Jon. In the moment I felt Sam was too sad regarding the news about his Father. His father hated him and wanted him dead. The brother, yes, they seemed t like each other, but not the father. But then again, it one thing to hate your father and another to find out your best friend’s girlfriend burned him alive. It might be more that I like the Sam and Jon friendship and don’t want to see it end which is actually good drama. Something else: I thought I had read that while this season was very short but each episode would be 80 minutes or so. This one was just over 60. ---
**Author:** ![Skammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skammer/32/143_2.png) [@Skammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skammer)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2019, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-winterfell-8-01-4-14-19/832542/94 "2019-04-15T16:56:32Z")
I liked the Sansa “It had its moments” line. Also Bronn’s alarmed “Which one?” to Maester Q. ---
**Author:** ![Shakester](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shakester/32/437_2.png) [@Shakester](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shakester)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2019, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-winterfell-8-01-4-14-19/832542/95 "2019-04-15T16:59:18Z")
> [@Quimby](#): > > Something else: I thought I had read that while this season was very short but each episode would be 80 minutes or so. This one was just over 60. First two around 60 mins. Last four around 80 mins. ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2019, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-winterfell-8-01-4-14-19/832542/96 "2019-04-15T17:03:52Z")
Also this… Hound: You left me to die. Arya: I robbed you first. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2019, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-winterfell-8-01-4-14-19/832542/97 "2019-04-15T17:14:31Z")
> [@aurora\_maire](#): > > I had to look up where Runestone is ([http://quartermaester.info/](http://quartermaester.info/)) and it’s far enough south that he should be safe for now. I was thinking about Sansa saying all the houses in the north needed to come to Winterfell for safety. Runestone is in the Vale and even more off the beaten track than the Eyrie. It’s not on the route between Winterfell and Kings Landing, so it’s one of the safest places to be unless the Army of the Dead overruns all of Westeros. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2019, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-winterfell-8-01-4-14-19/832542/98 "2019-04-15T17:16:37Z")
> [@Lance\_Turbo](#): > > Also this… > > Hound: You left me to die. > Arya: I robbed you first. That was another good one. However, at the time he was mad at her because she refused to mercy kill him as he begged her to do, rather than mad that she didn’t help him. ---
**Author:** ![GreysonCarlisle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a87d85/32.png) [@GreysonCarlisle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GreysonCarlisle)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2019, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-winterfell-8-01-4-14-19/832542/99 "2019-04-15T17:19:41Z")
“We could stay here a thousand years…” == “We should have stayed in that cave.” RIP Daenerys. ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2019, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-winterfell-8-01-4-14-19/832542/100 "2019-04-15T17:25:16Z")
> [@GreysonCarlisle](#): > > “We could stay here a thousand years…” == “We should have stayed in that cave.” > > RIP Daenerys. Good point. They also established that Dani is not the only one who the Dragon’s will respond to. That’s a big part of her plot armor. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-winterfell-8-01-4-14-19/832542.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-winterfell-8-01-4-14-19/832542.md?page=6)