# Game of Thrones "Winterfell" 8.01 4/14/19 **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [April 14, 2019, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-winterfell-8-01-4-14-19/832542 "2019-04-14T18:41:10Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2019, 7:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-winterfell-8-01-4-14-19/832542/121 "2019-04-15T19:22:24Z")
Why do people assume that Cersei wouldn’t drink if she were pregnant? Perhaps no one in this society understands that you should not do so. ---
**Author:** ![Bone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bone/32/407_2.png) [@Bone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bone)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2019, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-winterfell-8-01-4-14-19/832542/122 "2019-04-15T19:30:16Z")
> [@Shakester](#): > > First two around 60 mins. Last four around 80 mins. If you exclude the title sequence and the credits, this ep was about 54 min. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2019, 7:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-winterfell-8-01-4-14-19/832542/123 "2019-04-15T19:33:53Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > Why do people assume that Cersei wouldn’t drink if she were pregnant? Perhaps no one in this society understands that you should not do so. That’s the conclusion Tyrion jumped to when he observed she uncharacteristically wasn’t drinking. ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2019, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-winterfell-8-01-4-14-19/832542/124 "2019-04-15T19:36:07Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > The movements of the Army of the Dead seem to operate on Heisenbergian principles. They were first seen at the Fist of the First Men in Season Two. Then in Season Five they are at Hardhome, which is way to the east. Then in Season Six they are at the Cave of the Three-Eyed Raven, which is presumably much farther north. They finally reach the Wall at the end of Season Seven. So it is impossible to determine both their speed and location at the same time. 😉 > [@SenorBeef](#): > > I think people have a notion that the army of the dead is heading right for the wall but took 7 years to get there. That’s obviously not true. The army of the dead can’t move south until winter came. So they were wandering every which way around the area north of the wall, killing wildlings and adding to their army, waiting for the time to come to move south. I wanna know what the hell that White Walker was doing just outside the Wall way back in Episode 1. ---
**Author:** ![aurora\_maire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aurora_maire/32/328_2.png) [@aurora\_maire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aurora_maire)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2019, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-winterfell-8-01-4-14-19/832542/125 "2019-04-15T19:43:43Z")
> [@StarvingButStrong](#): > > Cersei hiring Bron to kill Tyrion and Jaime: will Bron remember Tyrion telling him that whatever anyone offered to pay Bron for killing Tyrion, Tyrion would pay double? > > Of course, Bron may not think Tyrion is in any position to keep that promise, while Cersei handed over chests of gold on the barrel head. In any normal TV show, it would look like Bronn was going to betray his buddies but he would pull a fast one in the end to save them. But here, I’m expecting Bronn to do something horrific to one or both. Or maybe something horrific to one that saves the other. ---
**Author:** ![snoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/43a26b/32.png) [@snoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snoe)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2019, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-winterfell-8-01-4-14-19/832542/126 "2019-04-15T19:54:24Z")
> [@AlsoNamedBort](#): > > I wanna know what the hell that White Walker was doing just outside the Wall way back in Episode 1. I thought that attack happened on the, er, north side of the Wall, and the survivor was captured by the Night’s Watch over there, then brought south to Winterfell. But I could be remembering wrong. ---
**Author:** ![shantih](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f6c823/32.png) [@shantih](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/shantih)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2019, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-winterfell-8-01-4-14-19/832542/127 "2019-04-15T20:00:04Z")
What I still don’t understand is why the truth about Jon’s parentage should make any difference at all to anyone except Jon and possibly his previously believed to be siblings now known to be cousins. Surely one of the largest themes in the story was expressed by Varys to Ned once: power resides where men believe it resides. So Jon turns out not to be Ned’s bastard son at all but the legitimate son of Rhaegar Targaryan and Lyanna Stark; so what? Ooo, he’s the true heir to the throne – but for quite a while Viserys Targaryon was thought to be that, and that didn’t do him any good in the end, did it? For that matter, and I realize I could just look it up to pin down the timeframe, who died first, the Mad King or Rhaegar? Because Rhaegar was never crowned king, so surely either way Dany would have a strong claim to being the next one in succession as the Mad King’s daughter over the son of the uncrowned heir apparent. Or have I gotten my rules of succession twisted up? In any case, Dany’s real claim to the throne is that she has dragons and armies. Without those, her bloodline wouldn’t sway a single person in Westeros into supporting her, so why would Jon’s? ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2019, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-winterfell-8-01-4-14-19/832542/128 "2019-04-15T20:00:52Z")
> [@snoe](#): > > I thought that attack happened on the, er, north side of the Wall, and the survivor was captured by the Night’s Watch over there, then brought south to Winterfell. > > But I could be remembering wrong. It was on the North Side, but just north. Like a short walk from the wall. South of The Fist of the First Men and Hardhome. ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2019, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-winterfell-8-01-4-14-19/832542/129 "2019-04-15T20:02:34Z")
> [@AlsoNamedBort](#): > > It was on the North Side, but just north. Like a short walk from the wall. South of The Fist of the First Men and Hardhome. We have no idea how far they were north of the Wall. It’s not like there is a continuous shot from them leaving the Wall until they found the dead Wildlings. ---
**Author:** ![ISiddiqui](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/97f17d/32.png) [@ISiddiqui](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ISiddiqui)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2019, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-winterfell-8-01-4-14-19/832542/130 "2019-04-15T20:11:35Z")
> [@shantih](#): > > For that matter, and I realize I could just look it up to pin down the timeframe, who died first, the Mad King or Rhaegar? Because Rhaegar was never crowned king, so surely either way Dany would have a strong claim to being the next one in succession as the Mad King’s daughter over the son of the uncrowned heir apparent. Or have I gotten my rules of succession twisted up? In terms of primogeniture (on Earth anyways) a son of a male heir would be next in line, regardless of whether the male heir perished before his father. ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2019, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-winterfell-8-01-4-14-19/832542/131 "2019-04-15T20:27:09Z")
> [@shantih](#): > > For that matter, and I realize I could just look it up to pin down the timeframe, who died first, the Mad King or Rhaegar? Because Rhaegar was never crowned king, so surely either way Dany would have a strong claim to being the next one in succession as the Mad King’s daughter over the son of the uncrowned heir apparent. Or have I gotten my rules of succession twisted up? I believe Rhaegar died first, but weren’t Dany and Jon both born after the King died anyway? Viserys (remember him?) was next in line. ---
**Author:** ![DrCube](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a3d4f5/32.png) [@DrCube](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrCube)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2019, 8:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-winterfell-8-01-4-14-19/832542/132 "2019-04-15T20:41:30Z")
> [@shantih](#): > > What I still don’t understand is why the truth about Jon’s parentage should make any difference at all to anyone except Jon and possibly his previously believed to be siblings now known to be cousins. Surely one of the largest themes in the story was expressed by Varys to Ned once: power resides where men believe it resides. It won’t make a difference, and you’re right. Jon’s parentage is nothing but a curiosity at this point in the game as far as human politics are concerned, even if nobody doubted it. His bloodline will be _very_ important for magical/prophetic reasons though. It’s how the world will be saved from the White Walkers and the long night/winter they bring. ---
**Author:** ![Red\_Wiggler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/red_wiggler/32/13190_2.png) [@Red\_Wiggler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Red_Wiggler)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2019, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-winterfell-8-01-4-14-19/832542/133 "2019-04-15T20:51:48Z")
> [@Quimby](#): > > But then again, it one thing to hate your father and another to find out your best friend’s girlfriend burned him alive. ♫ My best friend’s girrrrllllllffriend, my best friend’s girrrrllllllffriend, she used to be mine! ♫ ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2019, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-winterfell-8-01-4-14-19/832542/134 "2019-04-15T20:58:21Z")
> [@Snarky\_Kong](#): > > We have no idea how far they were north of the Wall. It’s not like there is a continuous shot from them leaving the Wall until they found the dead Wildlings. Here’s the opening scene on Youtube: Sure looks to me like when the walk into the forest the Wall is still visible in the background. They might travel a ways into the forest but not far. ---
**Author:** ![Declan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ecae2f/32.png) [@Declan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Declan)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2019, 9:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-winterfell-8-01-4-14-19/832542/135 "2019-04-15T21:06:48Z")
> [@Sir\_Prize](#): > > Jamie and Bran were the last scene of the first episode of the first season so it makes a nice symmetry. > > What possible good could Jamie imagine would come from showing up at Winterfell without an army to support the fight? He knows that most important people there have a reason to mistrust and hate him. To give the bad news that help is not coming from the lannisters, secondly he is an accomplished military leader in his own right, one more sword might not make that much difference but one more general might. Next, I can see the war on the dead taking about two more episodes and then its on to kings landing, having Jaime as a wildcard might be worth it. ---
**Author:** ![Declan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ecae2f/32.png) [@Declan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Declan)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2019, 9:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-winterfell-8-01-4-14-19/832542/136 "2019-04-15T21:13:05Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > I saw an interview with Kit Harrington (aka Jon Snow) and he said his wife, Rose Leslie (who played Ygritte in GoT and was Jon Snow’s lover), guessed at all the possible endings she could think of and he said she did not guess what actually happens in the show. > > So, Gendry is probably not the winner. Neither is Jon or Danni or Cersei. > > I dunno…looking forward to finding out. The cast are told to lie by the producers and several different endings were filmed, till the final credits roll, I am not believing anything. And yes, I know that Rose does not work for GOT anymore ---
**Author:** ![Declan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ecae2f/32.png) [@Declan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Declan)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2019, 9:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-winterfell-8-01-4-14-19/832542/137 "2019-04-15T21:18:56Z")
> [@aurora\_maire](#): > > wish we had gotten a better reaction shot from the guys on the ground (holy shit Jon’s riding a dragon!). Nah, more like Yeah, king of da norf, goes down south, picks up some blone bint starts puttin on airs. Ridin the dragon that got my maeve, best goat in the north, like its an orse ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2019, 9:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-winterfell-8-01-4-14-19/832542/138 "2019-04-15T21:41:16Z")
> [@ISiddiqui](#): > > In terms of primogeniture (on Earth anyways) a son of a male heir would be next in line, regardless of whether the male heir perished before his father. Right. And Westeros (except for Dorne) practices male-preference primogeniture, so any male heir inherits before any female. (Not sure if this strictly applies to Targaryens, however, and in any case, as in medieval Europe, it could be cast aside for political considerations.) ---
**Author:** ![GreysonCarlisle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a87d85/32.png) [@GreysonCarlisle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GreysonCarlisle)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2019, 9:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-winterfell-8-01-4-14-19/832542/139 "2019-04-15T21:51:14Z")
Did we see Podrick this episode? I assume he’s back in Winterfell. ---
**Author:** ![Enderw24](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ba9def/32.png) [@Enderw24](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enderw24)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2019, 9:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-winterfell-8-01-4-14-19/832542/140 "2019-04-15T21:57:40Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > I saw an interview with Kit Harrington (aka Jon Snow) and he said his wife, Rose Leslie (who played Ygritte in GoT and was Jon Snow’s lover), guessed at all the possible endings she could think of and he said she did not guess what actually happens in the show. > > So, Gendry is probably not the winner. Neither is Jon or Danni or Cersei. > > I dunno…looking forward to finding out. My money’s on Ant-man flying into the Night King’s butt and then expanding. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-winterfell-8-01-4-14-19/832542.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-winterfell-8-01-4-14-19/832542.md?page=8)