# Gamergate
**URL:** https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gamergate/697596
**Category:** The BBQ Pit
**Created:** [September 5, 2014, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gamergate/697596 "2014-09-05T17:43:47Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
**Page:** 32
### Author:  [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)
#### Post date: [September 25, 2014, 2:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gamergate/697596/622 "2014-09-25T02:05:10Z")
Ah, another giveaway.
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### Author:  [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)
#### Post date: [September 25, 2014, 2:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gamergate/697596/623 "2014-09-25T02:11:40Z")
> [@Ibanez](#):
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> That’s ok, the usual posters responding aren’t my target audience anyways since you’ve been drinking the kool-aid for too long.
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> Have a nice day m’lady.
> \*tips fedora.
Your “target audience”? What, you mean fellow dumbshits? Try somewhere else.
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### Author:  [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)
#### Post date: [September 25, 2014, 6:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gamergate/697596/624 "2014-09-25T06:10:23Z")
Well, ignorance fought on the subject of Dworkin, anyways. I guess I shouldn’t assume my friend Linda is all that representative of your average feminist. In retrospect this was kind of obvious, given that she takes the prize of “craziest person on MDI”, and there’s some fierce competition in that regards. I should keep talking about this - every time I open my mouth, I learn something new that I got wrong.
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### Author:  [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)
#### Post date: [September 25, 2014, 3:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gamergate/697596/625 "2014-09-25T15:56:56Z")
Cracked has done several articles on this issue —
7 Ways the GamerGate Debate Has Made the World Worse
> **[7 Reasons "Gamergate" Proves Humanity is Doomed](https://www.cracked.com/blog/7-ways-gamergate-debate-has-made-world-worse)**
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> These people claiming to represent gamers is like a cannibal claiming to represent eaters.
5 Things I Learned as the Internet’s Most Hated Person
> **[5 Things I Learned as the Internet's Most Hated Person](https://www.cracked.com/blog/5-things-i-learned-as-internets-most-hated-person)**
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> Hi. My name is Zoe Quinn. Long story short, the Internet spent the last month hating me.
4 Ways Gamers Still Suck at Dealing With Women
> **[4 Ways Gamers Still Suck at Dealing With Women](https://www.cracked.com/blog/4-ways-gamers-still-suck-at-dealing-with-women)**
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> I've noticed a few problem areas where us chronically underrepresented straight, white males could stand to improve -- or, at the very least, just recognize.
A 90-Second Guide to Determine if Your Internet Cause Is BS
> **[A 90-Second Guide to Determine if Your Internet Cause Is BS](https://www.cracked.com/quick-fixes/a-90-second-guide-to-determine-if-your-internet-cause-bs)**
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> We've put together a short questionnaire to help you figure out where your social media post stands. It shouldn't take much time!
6 Weird Things Everyone Misunderstands About Anger (See No. 1 — “#1. The Angry Are Easily Exploited”)
[http://www.cracked.com/blog/6-weird-things-everyone-misunderstands-about-anger\_p2/](http://www.cracked.com/blog/6-weird-things-everyone-misunderstands-about-anger_p2/)
The newest article makes this point:
> [@](#):
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> #2. The Alleged Corruption Never Happened
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> Did I mention that the corrupt game review, the one that is the alleged reason this blew up, never existed? I just did. And now I should mention again that the game review never existed. That’s something that should always be mentioned again, possibly with hovertext or an interstitial page every time anyone uses the #gamergate tag: this was started by total bullshit.
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> When that was revealed, the gaters decided to carry on anyway. It’s almost as if the original story was nothing but a thin veil over pre-existing hatred! They swore to expose corruption in the system, revealing that various gaming writers knew some indie developers. …
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> The alleged scandal is a pathetic fantasy. A woman bestowing sexual favors so that men will look at the video game she made? Hey, losers, when choosing an excuse to attack female developers, maybe don’t choose one that sounds like the letter you wrote when you thought the Game Boy was a spinoff from Playboy.
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### Author:  [@Mr.Miskatonic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Miskatonic)
#### Post date: [September 25, 2014, 4:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gamergate/697596/626 "2014-09-25T16:11:20Z")
Cracked really has it in for gamergate, which is a good thing.
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### Author:  [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)
#### Post date: [September 25, 2014, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gamergate/697596/627 "2014-09-25T17:26:46Z")
Cracked changed from a comedy website to a SJW-advocacy website so gradually, I hardly noticed!
(That’s not even really about Gamergate. It does seem as though Cracked spends more time trying to talk about Ferguson or child slavery or whatever these days than trying to make anyone laugh)
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### Author:  [@Ibn\_Warraq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibn_Warraq)
#### Post date: [September 25, 2014, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gamergate/697596/628 "2014-09-25T17:49:54Z")
How did Andrea Dworkin come up?
What is this? 1992?
What’s next, are we going to start arguing that black people need to distance themselves from Civil Rights groups because of Stokely Carmichael?
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### Author:  [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)
#### Post date: [September 25, 2014, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gamergate/697596/629 "2014-09-25T18:37:23Z")
Even Sven’s reference to the “echo chamber” makes me think that Dworkin is treasured as a straw feminist among a certain internet contingent, such as 4chan and men’s rights activists.
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### Author:  [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)
#### Post date: [September 25, 2014, 7:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gamergate/697596/630 "2014-09-25T19:14:19Z")
I can’t think of any discussion of feminism on the Internet I’ve ever observed or taken part in where Dworkin wasn’t namedropped at one point of the other. She’s feminism theory’s Godwin point, pretty much.
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### Author:  [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)
#### Post date: [September 25, 2014, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gamergate/697596/631 "2014-09-25T19:30:44Z")
> [@Jophiel](#):
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> Cracked changed from a comedy website to a SJW-advocacy website so gradually, I hardly noticed!
Really, the term “SJW” is one whose use says a lot more about the user than about its object. It’s an offensively stupid term.
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### Author:  [@Mr.Miskatonic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Miskatonic)
#### Post date: [September 25, 2014, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gamergate/697596/632 "2014-09-25T19:32:53Z")
If she didn’t exist they would have to create her.
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### Author:  [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)
#### Post date: [September 25, 2014, 7:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gamergate/697596/633 "2014-09-25T19:59:33Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#):
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> Really, the term “SJW” is one whose use says a lot more about the user than about its object. It’s an offensively stupid term.
That’s okay. Cracked has run a lot of offensively stupid articles lately 🙂
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### Author:  [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)
#### Post date: [September 25, 2014, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gamergate/697596/634 "2014-09-25T20:10:18Z")
> [@Jophiel](#):
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> That’s okay. Cracked has run a lot of offensively stupid articles lately 🙂
Do you mean something specific by that?
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### Author:  [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)
#### Post date: [September 25, 2014, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gamergate/697596/635 "2014-09-25T20:17:07Z")
Yeah, but not enough to sit around in a Gamergate/Feminism thread and make it into the Gamergate/Feminism/Cracked thread.
Too many “raise awareness” non-funny articles on a supposed comedy website. If I want a 20-something’s view on the woes of the world, I’ll read Vice.
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### Author:  [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)
#### Post date: [September 25, 2014, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gamergate/697596/636 "2014-09-25T20:21:34Z")
Strange how good journalism and good writing tends to evolve. I like good content even if it’s from a purported comedy source or music journalism source or whatever. Regardless, you are aware that the senior staff who create much of the content are well into their 30s and some are close to pushing 40?
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### Author:  [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)
#### Post date: [September 25, 2014, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gamergate/697596/637 "2014-09-25T20:22:05Z")
I’ll take your word on that. Doesn’t really change my opinion.
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### Author:  [@Mr.Miskatonic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Miskatonic)
#### Post date: [September 25, 2014, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gamergate/697596/638 "2014-09-25T21:02:17Z")
Of all the people I did not expect to comment on this, Todd in the Shadows [wrote about gamergate](http://chezapocalypse.com/gamergate-isnt-even-about-that-anymore-its-about-ethics-in-journalism/)
> [@](#):
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> First off, I want to make clear: I have done the research on this. Whenever anyone criticizes or has a negative opinion of this movement, they get told repeatedly, as I did, that they have a misunderstanding of what’s going on. I assure you: I have all the information you do. I’ve read all the manifestos, I’ve witnessed the Gamergaters in action, and I have come to my own conclusions. They are this:
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> Gamergate exists primarily as a reaction to the original anti-Zoe Quinn explosion, which was a disgusting hate mob of blatant misogyny and harassment. (No one try to tell me it wasn’t, please; I watched it as it was happening and it was transparently vile.) Because of its awfulness, there was a pro-ZQ backlash. Shortly after, something called “Gamergate” sprang up, centering around the most legitimate-sounding issue brought up by the anti-Zoe people: ethics in gaming journalism…
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> Well, I have read as much about the movement as I can. I read and I read and I read, all the posts, all the tweets, manifesto after manifesto, the strongly worded defenses, the ridiculous convoluted conspiracy theories, the douchebags, the non-douchebags, and all in between. And the main theme I got is this: Gamergate exists primarily to defend gamer culture from accusations of misogyny.
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### Author:  [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)
#### Post date: [September 25, 2014, 9:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gamergate/697596/639 "2014-09-25T21:21:57Z")
Who is Todd in the Shadows?
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### Author:  [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)
#### Post date: [September 25, 2014, 9:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gamergate/697596/640 "2014-09-25T21:24:49Z")
This quote seems more precise—
> [@](#):
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> Note that almost none of this has anything to do with ethics in journalism. Gamergate is a counterargument to the notion that misogyny is an epidemic in gaming culture. That’s all. That’s where the movement came from; that’s where it remains. It’s a spin job; at best an attempt to actively remove assholes from the cause, at worst a deflection and smokescreen for continuing misogyny. …
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> And for that reason, I’d call Gamergate mostly an anti-feminism/social-justice movement. Partly that’s because that’s exactly what many, many Gamergate activists explicitly told me it was.
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### Author:  [@Mr.Miskatonic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Miskatonic)
#### Post date: [September 25, 2014, 9:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gamergate/697596/641 "2014-09-25T21:43:47Z")
> [@Acsenray](#):
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> Who is Todd in the Shadows?
He’s an [online music critic](http://blip.tv/todds-pop-song-reviews)and part of the League of Super Critics (Nostalgia Critic, Cinema Snob, etc. ). Normally he does not write about stuff like this but he made a crack about GG in one of his recent videos and naturally the GG defender’s league came to town.
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