# Gamergate **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 5, 2014, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gamergate/697596 "2014-09-05T17:43:47Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 51
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2014, 10:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gamergate/697596/1002 "2014-10-17T22:10:25Z")
> [@Fuzzy\_wuzzy](#): > > Again, read the common words in the headlines - “gamers”, “death”, “ending”, and more “death”. Do you still wish to claim these people do not wish to see an entire section of gaming community disappear? That gamers have no legitimate concerns? And the train kept trollin’ all night long. Are you going to get tired of this any time soon, Sparky? I mean, I’m quite happy to keep feeding you–I’m a giver–but I have to make dinner soon. I want to toddle off confident that you’ll keep on getting your troll kibble. ETA: It occurs to me that it’s possible–remotely, certainly, but possible–that you’re not deliberately trolling and are just this stupid. Let me know if you figure it out, willya? . ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2014, 10:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gamergate/697596/1003 "2014-10-17T22:11:22Z")
> [@Fuzzy\_wuzzy](#): > > Sorry, im not about to read 20 pages of posts. Well, you should, because you have not added a single new or interesting thing to this thread. Every point you’ve brought up has been debated, dissected, and dismissed already. If you want to know why you’re wrong on this issue, all the information is literally _right here_. You genuinely expect people who have been involved in this discussion for weeks to repeat themselves solely for your benefit, just because you’re too lazy to click the back button? > [@](#): > > Who said anything about all 6 or 7 journalists getting together? All it takes is for one central character(or PR firm who’s job it is to garner sympathetic stories) to collude with each journalist or editor. This is the way PR firms work. You have heard of these new fangled organizations called PR firms? Organizations that give information to journalists, that try to set the media agenda. You should read up on them, they are fascinating. You know, this sort of condescension really doesn’t work when you’re demonstrably the dumbest guy in the room. Yeah, I know what a PR firm is. Who hired this PR firm? Which PR firm did they hire? And most importantly, _why_? Why would anyone spend money (PR firms don’t work for free!) to promulgate the idea that “gamer culture” is dying? What’s the profit motive here? Who stands to come out ahead by spreading this idea, and by what mechanism? > [@](#): > > Fair enough if you dont care about the issue. Just dont attempt to say that its been proven no collusion has taken place(just as I havent proven collusion). You lean towards the narrative you wish to believe; I shall lean towards mine. Everyone’s happy. I don’t need to say that collusion hasn’t been disproven. All I need to do is point out that there is no evidence for collusion in the first place, and anyone who’s approaching this issue with any honesty at all would drop the issue. FTR, I do not expect you to drop the issue. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2014, 10:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gamergate/697596/1004 "2014-10-17T22:11:55Z")
> [@Fuzzy\_wuzzy](#): > > There is a legitimate complaint by gamers that an ideological movement is trying to take away the type of games they enjoy. This is complete bullshit. What is true is that a bunch of people, some of whom share some ideological viewpoints informed by feminism, are daring to **CRITICIZE** the type of games many gamers enjoy. **Freaking out about that phenomenon is in no way “a legitimate complaint”.** It’s merely whiny and stupid and immature and oversensitive and insecure. People are allowed to criticize the things you enjoy, and you are free to disagree with them. But that doesn’t mean you’re entitled to threaten them, spam them, doxx them, hurl obscene abuse at them, or pretend that you’re somehow being victimized or deprived by them. Just like feminist critics of porn haven’t taken porn away, and feminist critics of action movies haven’t taken action movies away, feminist critics of video games are not going to take video games away. This focus on “taking our games away” is one of the reasons it’s occurred to me that the driving force behind most of Gamergate may well be teen boys. After all, grown-ass functioning adult men would not be scared about YouTube commenters “trying to take their games away”. It’s the adolescents under parental control who have genuine reason to be worried that their games might be “taken away” if their parents start hearing too many negative opinions about them. To which I respond: tough shit, kid. Hang in there till you grow up and move out and start supporting yourself, and you can purchase and play whatever games you like. I’m certainly not going to try to prevent you, and [neither is Anna Sarkeesian](https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/anita-sarkeesian-gamergate-interview-20141017): > [@](#): > > **Sarkeesian:** We’re thinking, “Well, inclusiveness is a great thing! Bringing more people into gaming, telling a wider range of stories from different perspectives — that can only be good!” They take that as an attack on their little base of male-dominated gaming. […] > > _ **Rolling Stone:** _ You go out of your way to say that just because sexist tropes exist in certain games doesn’t mean those games have no redeeming qualities, or that you can’t enjoy them. […] > > **Sarkeesian:** And the reaction is like I’m trying to say that all games are bad, or all games should be taken away, or that these games shouldn’t exist, instead of “Hey, we are complex and intelligent creatures and we can hold multiple ideas in our heads at the same time.” We can be critical of the things that we love. > [@Fuzzy\_wuzzy](#): > > Sorry, im not about to read 20 pages of posts. Then you don’t get to complain when people mock and insult you for not knowing basic information that has already been discussed in this thread that you voluntarily chose to participate in. We’re not very welcoming to voluntary self-inflicted ignorance around here. ---
**Author:** ![Fuzzy\_wuzzy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/a8b319/32.png) [@Fuzzy\_wuzzy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fuzzy_wuzzy)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2014, 10:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gamergate/697596/1005 "2014-10-17T22:21:27Z")
> [@Merneith](#): > > So you admit that you don’t have proof there was any collusion … you’re just going to assume that it happened and act like did, regardless. And you’ll just go ahead and assume that everyone else is doing the same. > > Honestly, this says more about you than it does ethics or journalism. > > **AND THEN …** > > The New Yorker published an article pointing out that those who are trying to silence game criticism are stunting the growth of the medium. > > [Gamergate: A Scandal Erupts in the Video-Game Community | The New Yorker](http://www.newyorker.com/tech/elements/gamergate-scandal-erupts-video-game-community) > > **Gamergate: A Scandal Erupts in the Video-Game Community** > > Eurogamer editorializes: > > [We cannot let this become gaming culture | Eurogamer.net](http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2014-10-17-we-cannot-let-this-become-gaming-culture) > > \*\* We cannot let this become gaming culture\*\* > \*Organised abuse and threats of mass murder: this is the legacy of GamerGate. \* > > The Guardian has an excellent article about the human toll of Gamergate and emphasizes that moderates need to take a closer look at what’s going on under the Gamergate flag. > > [Brianna Wu and the human cost of Gamergate: 'every woman I know in the industry is scared' | Games | The Guardian](http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/oct/17/brianna-wu-gamergate-human-cost) Im sure had six or seven articles appeared in the press on the same day about the benefits of Fracking, or the dangers of new green taxes you would not be nearly so casual about them. Particularly if they had used the same talking points. You would suspect the journalists they had been briefed. That the stories were agenda driven. Well, you’d probably be correct. Is it illegal? No. Unethical? Perhaps. Sloppy journalism? Yes. No link to an article in Mother Jones? Pity. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2014, 10:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gamergate/697596/1006 "2014-10-17T22:22:46Z")
> [@Fuzzy\_wuzzy](#): > > I think the movie industry has been affected enough by ideological correctness for gamers to have legitimate concerns. To claim otherwise suggests you haven’t even bothered to read the headlines of the articles I posted. I’ll repost them for your convenience > > “‘Gamers’ don’t have to be your audience. ‘Gamers’ are over.” by Leigh Alexander (8/28, approx 10:28 AM): > “The End of Gamers” by Dan Golding (8/28, no time, this possibly was posted before Alexander’s piece) > “Gaming is Leaving ‘Gamers’ Behind’” by Joseph Bernstein (8/28, 3:29 PM) > “The death of the ‘gamers’ and the women who ‘killed’ them” by Casey Johnson (8/28, 7:00 PM) > “A Guide to Ending ‘Gamers’” by Devin Wilson (8/28, 7:57 PM) > “We Might Be Witnessing The ‘Death of An Identity’” by Luke Plunkett (8/28, 8:00 PM) > “This Guy’s Embarassing Relationship Drama Is Killing the ‘Gamer Identity’” by Mike Peark (8/29, no time) > > Again, read the common words in the headlines - “gamers”, “death”, “ending”, and more “death”. Do you still wish to claim these people do not wish to see an entire section of gaming community disappear? Just going by the headlines, the idea that these articles are advocating the death of “gamer identity” is clearly unsupportable. Noting that something is dying is not the same as being glad that something is dying. Or were you under the impression that all those headlines about Ebola, quite a few of which contain scary words like “death,” are written from a pro-hemorrhagic fever POV? Not that it actually matters, since the topic of debate you brought up wasn’t, “Do some people not like gamers?” but, “Is there some sort of journalistic conspiracy to destroy gamers?” The fact that a group of people is unpopular is not the same thing as a conspiracy to destroy that group. > [@](#): > > That gamers have no legitimate concerns? Oh, sure, they have plenty of legitimate concerns. Type II diabetes, for example. Or the fact that they’re going to die alone and unloved. Those are legitimate problems. But they aren’t caused by feminists, and they aren’t going to be solved by typing “cunt” in 30 point type face. ---
**Author:** ![Weedy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/weedy/32/301_2.png) [@Weedy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Weedy)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2014, 10:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gamergate/697596/1007 "2014-10-17T22:31:17Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > Oh, poor you, the problem is you’re just _too good_. I feel your pain. > > Or at least I would, if it weren’t for your patronizing, supercilious, self-pitying tone. Do you not see that if your tone weren’t so obnoxious, people would be a lot more willing to listen to the point you’re trying to make? I’m sure there are plenty of feminists who’d be more willing to hear your point if you could figure out how to make it without such patronizing language. If I had any faith this was true, I would try and I explain, because I think I know what Orr is trying to say. But I think people here don’t really care because DEATH THREATS! ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2014, 10:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gamergate/697596/1008 "2014-10-17T22:33:52Z")
> [@Weedy](#): > > If I had any faith this was true, I would try and I explain, because I think I know what Orr is trying to say. But I think people here don’t really care because DEATH THREATS! Give it a shot. **Left Hand** isn’t the only person reading. ---
**Author:** ![Fuzzy\_wuzzy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/a8b319/32.png) [@Fuzzy\_wuzzy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fuzzy_wuzzy)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2014, 10:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gamergate/697596/1009 "2014-10-17T22:37:55Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > This is complete bullshit. What is true is that a bunch of people, some of whom share some ideological viewpoints informed by feminism, are daring to **CRITICIZE** the type of games many gamers enjoy. > > **Freaking out about that phenomenon is in no way “a legitimate complaint”.** It’s merely whiny and stupid and immature and oversensitive and insecure. People are allowed to criticize the things you enjoy, and you are free to disagree with them. But that doesn’t mean you’re entitled to threaten them, spam them, doxx them, hurl obscene abuse at them, or pretend that you’re somehow being victimized or deprived by them. > > Just like feminist critics of porn haven’t taken porn away, and feminist critics of action movies haven’t taken action movies away, feminist critics of video games are not going to take video games away. > > This focus on “taking our games away” is one of the reasons it’s occurred to me that the driving force behind most of Gamergate may well be teen boys. After all, grown-ass functioning adult men would not be scared about YouTube commenters “trying to take their games away”. It’s the adolescents under parental control who have genuine reason to be worried that their games might be “taken away” if their parents start hearing too many negative opinions about them. > > To which I respond: tough shit, kid. Hang in there till you grow up and move out and start supporting yourself, and you can purchase and play whatever games you like. I’m certainly not going to try to prevent you, and [neither is Anna Sarkeesian](https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/anita-sarkeesian-gamergate-interview-20141017): > > Then you don’t get to complain when people mock and insult you for not knowing basic information that has already been discussed in this thread that you voluntarily chose to participate in. > > We’re not very welcoming to voluntary self-inflicted ignorance around here. If we are playing games of copying & pasting the most sympathetic quotes to back up our respective side then here’s mine. All these are from female gamers who support gamergate. All were recently interviewed on HuffPo: Georgina Young, a tentative supporter of gamergate: “I’d say the vast majority of death threats and harassment is done by one or two specific individuals and trolls on both sides. When you have such a large group of people (she cites KotakuinAction a GG subreddit that has 11, 000 subscribers alone) there is always going to be a couple of people who aren’t doing the nicest of things, you’re never going to stop that with a movement of this scale. The vast majority of GamerGaters I have spoken to are the nicest, intelligent, respectable people” Jennie Bharaj, female gamer: “When you say GamerGate is against feminism - we’re not against the majority of feminism, we’re against the radical feminists, the social justice warriors. These women and men are essentially very negative. They want men to just disintegrate. It’s not right what they’re doing. They become professional victims, in a sense, telling us to check our privilege. There’s no opportunity for us to even discuss the issues of feminism.” Jemma Morgan: “There are so many diverse people in the movement. There are so many political identities, we have left, we have right, different ethnicities, women, LGBTs, so many different people. To label all of us - millions of tweets - to say we are an anti-women campaign, when there are so many strong women involved. All we want to do is play games without being told we’re horrendous people, without the stigma of being called misogynists.” Georgina Young: “It is derogatory, but I think at the same time that a lot of these people are using misogyny, as a shield.\*\* We’re not talking about the majority of feminists that do care about these issues. What we’re talking about are people using misogyny to deflect the true issue of journalism, which is what we should be talking about.”\*\* ---
**Author:** ![Justin\_Bailey](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/justin_bailey/32/8792_2.png) [@Justin\_Bailey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Justin_Bailey)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2014, 10:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gamergate/697596/1010 "2014-10-17T22:42:11Z")
> [@Fuzzy\_wuzzy](#): > > Im sure had six or seven articles appeared in the press on the same day about the benefits of Fracking, or the dangers of new green taxes you would not be nearly so casual about them. Particularly if they had used the same talking points. You would suspect the journalists they had been briefed. That the stories were agenda driven. Well, you’d probably be correct. Is it illegal? No. Unethical? Perhaps. Sloppy journalism? Yes. What are you babbling about? The death of “gamer” as a descriptor for the video game community (and the larger culture that plays tabletop games too) has been talked about for years now. This batch of articles just so happened to coincide due to a group of jackholes who decided that harassing a pair of women under the “GamerGate” banner was a great idea. It’s all connected, man! If you’re going to call yourself a “gamer” and use that as an excuse to threaten to rape somebody, then an editorial saying, “Maybe we shouldn’t call ourselves ‘gamers’ anymore” is pretty damn topical. It could be that all those writers had something to say on the subject. Those articles were also published a day before the annual PAX Prime expo, which sucks up most of the gaming news cycle when it starts. So their editors probably wanted to get ahead of that. Bam! All of them are posted on the same day. So tell me again how everybody is crooked, sparky. And then cut me a check too, because I could sure use one. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2014, 10:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gamergate/697596/1011 "2014-10-17T22:44:10Z")
Poster A: Here’s a quote from one of the key figures in this controversy, whose motives have been central to the entire debate, explaining her position. Poster B: Here’s some quotes from random women you’ve never heard of before. Those are not equivalent arguments, **fuzzy**. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2014, 10:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gamergate/697596/1012 "2014-10-17T22:47:45Z")
> [@Weedy](#): > > If I had any faith this was true, I would try and I explain, because I think I know what Orr is trying to say. We all know what **Orr** is trying to say. > [@Orr](#): > > And almost no one is handling this topic in a way that I find admirable. Even the people who are clearly righteous and on the right side are brandishing their righteousness in a way that diminishes them […] > > I have to believe that what I’m asking for would have an impact on a large number of people who are simply ignorant and are misguidedly trying to do the right thing. […] > > there are hundreds, if not thousands, of people who would be receptive to your message if you did not alienate them so horribly […] > > I just think that we need to go about it in a different way. […] > > I want to reach out to those who haven’t completely lost themselves and find a way to bring them over to the right side […] In other words: “The problem I’m really invested in here is that feminists aren’t being nice enough.” ---
**Author:** ![Justin\_Bailey](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/justin_bailey/32/8792_2.png) [@Justin\_Bailey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Justin_Bailey)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2014, 10:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gamergate/697596/1013 "2014-10-17T22:52:36Z")
> [@Fuzzy\_wuzzy](#): > > Georgina Young, a tentative supporter of gamergate: "I’d say the vast majority of death threats and harassment is done by one or two specific individuals and trolls on both sides. No! Bad Sparky! You don’t get to play the “both sides” when the subject is death threats because no GamerGaters have received death threats. > [@](#): > > Georgina Young: “It is derogatory, but I think at the same time that a lot of these people are using misogyny, as a shield. We’re not talking about the majority of feminists that do care about these issues. What we’re talking about are people using misogyny to deflect the true issue of journalism, which is what we should be talking about.” No! Bad Sparky! We’ve already established that there is little to no corruption in the game journalism field. Until you can prove that there is, this is just a bunch of misdirection to pull people’s eyes away from the death threats. I mean, seriously! Death threats to a no-name game developer and a critic! How are there still people who self-identify as GamerGaters. [What would your mom say about your support of GamerGate Sparky?](http://www.theawl.com/2014/10/the-sad-parents-of-gamergate) ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2014, 10:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gamergate/697596/1014 "2014-10-17T22:54:12Z")
> [@Fuzzy\_wuzzy](#): > > […] quotes to back up our respective side then here’s mine. None of the quotes you posted do jack shit to “back up” your “side”. None of them support any of the claims you were making about feminists “trying to take games away” or promoting the “death of gamers” or being involved in any sort of journalistic misconduct. All your quotes show is that not all of the people who feel threatened by some feminists criticizing video games are male. Well, nobody was attempting to claim otherwise. ---
**Author:** ![Fuzzy\_wuzzy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/a8b319/32.png) [@Fuzzy\_wuzzy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fuzzy_wuzzy)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2014, 10:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gamergate/697596/1015 "2014-10-17T22:55:56Z")
> [@Justin\_Bailey](#): > > What are you babbling about? The death of “gamer” as a descriptor for the video game community (and the larger culture that plays tabletop games too) has been talked about for years now. This batch of articles just so happened to coincide due to a group of jackholes who decided that harassing a pair of women under the “GamerGate” banner was a great idea. > > It’s all connected, man! > > If you’re going to call yourself a “gamer” and use that as an excuse to threaten to rape somebody, then an editorial saying, “Maybe we shouldn’t call ourselves ‘gamers’ anymore” is pretty damn topical. It could be that all those writers had something to say on the subject. Those articles were also published a day before the annual PAX Prime expo, which sucks up most of the gaming news cycle when it starts. So their editors probably wanted to get ahead of that. Bam! All of them are posted on the same day. > > So tell me again how everybody is crooked, sparky. And then cut me a check too, because I could sure use one. Ah, the Pax Prime expo. That’ll be it, yes! Im a libertarian, though not a member of any Party. We have our fair share of libertarian nutjobs. Should the movement be condomned for the actions of a few people? Of course not. Just as I would not condemn the entire feminist movement because of a few ugly outspoken females who happen to hate men. ---
**Author:** ![Justin\_Bailey](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/justin_bailey/32/8792_2.png) [@Justin\_Bailey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Justin_Bailey)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2014, 11:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gamergate/697596/1016 "2014-10-17T23:01:52Z")
> [@Fuzzy\_wuzzy](#): > > Im a libertarian, though not a member of any Party. We have our fair share of libertarian nutjobs. Should the movement be condomned for the actions of a few people? Of course not. Just as I would not condemn the entire feminist movement because of a few ugly outspoken females who happen to hate men. I’ll speak real slow now… WHO. ARE. THESE. FEMINISTS. WHO. HATE. MEN? Name names Sparky. And explain EXACTLY what they’re doing to damage the game industry. As I’ve said before, I don’t think Sarkeesian makes her points very well in her Tropes vs Women videos. But there’s no one in the world that should say she shouldn’t be allowed to say what she wants to say. And when you add death threats on top of that, there is no defense. And way to go by saying all feminists who hate men are “ugly” too. That proves that you’re not misinformed, you’re just an asshole. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2014, 11:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gamergate/697596/1017 "2014-10-17T23:11:58Z")
> [@Fuzzy\_wuzzy](#): > > We have our fair share of libertarian nutjobs. Should the movement be condomned for the actions of a few people? No, the libertarian movement should be condemned for its **fundamental misguided notion** that markets in the real world would behave like theoretically ideal markets absent government intervention. Similarly, the Gamergate movement as a whole should be condemned not for the minority of its supporters who are doing truly hateful and/or criminal things, but for its **fundamental misguided notion** that it represents any meaningful critique of gaming journalism worth wading through all the surrounding misogynistic hate to get to. [QUOTE=Fuzzy\_wuzzy] Just as I would not condemn the entire feminist movement because of a few ugly outspoken females who happen to hate men. [/QUOTE] But if you happen to think that the **fundamental principle** of feminism that men and women deserve equal rights and respect is wrong, then you **can** condemn the entire feminist movement on those grounds. You may get a fair number of people disagreeing with you, but I’ve already pointed out that you don’t have any right not to be disagreed with. ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2014, 11:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gamergate/697596/1018 "2014-10-17T23:25:25Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > You agree that you “begin to get an inkling of what has driven these poor, unhappy, boys into lashing out in such absurd and ugly paroxysms of rage”? > > Because rolling your eyes in irritation is a big fat difference from “lashing out in such absurd and ugly paroxysms of rage.” > > I mean, I think your eyerolls shows that you’re not understanding what Kimstu said, and I think njtt’s post was idiotic in its implication that feminists need to check with a “real live man” before saying anything about misogynists, but if you’re limiting your response to a eyeroll, you’re not the people that njtt is talking about, and definitely not the people that kimstu is talking about. Yes, my mistake: > [@Kimstu](#): > > **Are the sexist men you’re sticking up for here** (because remember, it was only _specifically, explicitly sexist men_ that I was talking about) Yeah, missed this part. My bad. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2014, 11:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gamergate/697596/1019 "2014-10-17T23:32:54Z")
> [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > Yeah, missed this part. My bad. Being reasonable and even-handed in the Pit? Now _that’s_ grounds for outrage! 😛 srsly thx yaar ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2014, 12:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gamergate/697596/1020 "2014-10-18T00:33:32Z")
> [@TheSeaOtter](#): > > On the off chance that the point you’re making is that the rest of the listed authors are male, [Ars Technica’s Casey Johnston](http://arstechnica.com/author/caseyjohnston/) might disagree. Oops. My bad. (Although in my defense, it’s totally possible that the gamergate trolls made the same error, seeing “Casey”.) As for fuzzy wuzzy, he’s far too dumb for any more of my time. ---
**Author:** ![Weedy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/weedy/32/301_2.png) [@Weedy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Weedy)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2014, 6:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gamergate/697596/1021 "2014-10-18T06:16:14Z")
> [@Justin\_Bailey](#): > > If you’re going to call yourself a “gamer” and use that as an excuse to threaten to rape somebody, then an editorial saying, “Maybe we shouldn’t call ourselves ‘gamers’ anymore” is pretty damn topical. We are gamers because we play games. Not because we rape people, or live in basements or wear silly hats. For feminists to try to redefine that one thing we all have in common to suit some talking point is a huge strategic misstep, IMO. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gamergate/697596.md?page=50) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gamergate/697596.md?page=52)